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.....trouble getting early slots to CDG ?
Why ?
An airport with masses of unused parking stands, less passengers than LHR, and twice the number of runways (4) ?
The mind boggles. :-(
Why ?
An airport with masses of unused parking stands, less passengers than LHR, and twice the number of runways (4) ?
The mind boggles. :-(
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Had the route planning people in Aer Lingus not thought this one through and checked what the slot availability at CDG was for the coming summer schedule? If not, it may indicate that it was thought only a formality and no problems had been perceived beforehand?
If the above is true - to my mind it goes a long way to what I always thought - Cork is very, very much an afterthought in the Aer Lingus operating psyche. Cork hardly counts - yet what may be a small core of interested parties get their way and a questionable Brussels route is launched last summer and is reduced for the upcoming summer schedule. That speaks volumes for Cork - Brussels, does it not?
No imagination - no real new interesting destinations for a Cork public starved of city break routes and the same old hash of well worn bucket & spade routes. It is just too easy for Aer Lingus at Cork and for Ryanair too for that matter.
If you want to visit anywhere new many potential Cork Airport passengers are now condemned to drive by the entrance of their local airport, join the Dublin Road, pay for fuel, two tolls, food, a likely hotel night, more food, car park and all in order to feed the double headed monster of the DAA and the all Dublin Aer Lingus.
And what do most Cork people keep doing - keep taking it up the jacksie.
Mugs.
If the above is true - to my mind it goes a long way to what I always thought - Cork is very, very much an afterthought in the Aer Lingus operating psyche. Cork hardly counts - yet what may be a small core of interested parties get their way and a questionable Brussels route is launched last summer and is reduced for the upcoming summer schedule. That speaks volumes for Cork - Brussels, does it not?
No imagination - no real new interesting destinations for a Cork public starved of city break routes and the same old hash of well worn bucket & spade routes. It is just too easy for Aer Lingus at Cork and for Ryanair too for that matter.
If you want to visit anywhere new many potential Cork Airport passengers are now condemned to drive by the entrance of their local airport, join the Dublin Road, pay for fuel, two tolls, food, a likely hotel night, more food, car park and all in order to feed the double headed monster of the DAA and the all Dublin Aer Lingus.
And what do most Cork people keep doing - keep taking it up the jacksie.
Mugs.
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This aul old soldier chip on shoulder routine belongs in the same bin as the Healy Rae's.
You say ORK-BRU has not performed so well, yet then ask why "no exciting new city break destinations" have been launched. Well, there is a new city break destination for you, and quite a decent one as well, and it only sustains a twice weekly operation.
Now perhaps you can do the logic here and understand why EI are sticking to "bucket and spade routes" in a recession? May it perhaps be because they turn an actual profit? And besides, I'd not have considered London, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, Bristol, Munich, Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Munich or Lisbon as "bucket and spade".
But no, we gotta have what Dublin has because.... well, just because. 'snot fair otherwise. Our ego just cant take it.
EI is hands down Cork's largest operator, with a decent network of routes for what is a small regional airport, serving a small city of 250,000.
I'd challenge you to find a city anywhere else in Europe of that size that has similar. But shur why bother with that, coz the aul whinge is far more satisfying to the ego.
You say ORK-BRU has not performed so well, yet then ask why "no exciting new city break destinations" have been launched. Well, there is a new city break destination for you, and quite a decent one as well, and it only sustains a twice weekly operation.
Now perhaps you can do the logic here and understand why EI are sticking to "bucket and spade routes" in a recession? May it perhaps be because they turn an actual profit? And besides, I'd not have considered London, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, Bristol, Munich, Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Munich or Lisbon as "bucket and spade".
But no, we gotta have what Dublin has because.... well, just because. 'snot fair otherwise. Our ego just cant take it.
EI is hands down Cork's largest operator, with a decent network of routes for what is a small regional airport, serving a small city of 250,000.
I'd challenge you to find a city anywhere else in Europe of that size that has similar. But shur why bother with that, coz the aul whinge is far more satisfying to the ego.
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Cork Airport
I agree Cork does very well all things considered, you know there is nothing wrong with being a well run regional airport, friendly , customer focused, PROFITABLE etc and given the current climate any growth is a MAJOR achievement.
Stabilty in a recession is best we can expect and Cork has it.....
Mind you a major risk to Cork is this FR/EI issue , can you imagine no EI at all and waiting for FLYBE to have money enough to re instate their cancelled plane orders to provide even one route ?
Lets be realistic and focus on what is there and be thankful for it just 4 scheduled airlines need support , and only 3 of them do daily services and that must say something about the DEMAND ......
Stabilty in a recession is best we can expect and Cork has it.....
Mind you a major risk to Cork is this FR/EI issue , can you imagine no EI at all and waiting for FLYBE to have money enough to re instate their cancelled plane orders to provide even one route ?
Lets be realistic and focus on what is there and be thankful for it just 4 scheduled airlines need support , and only 3 of them do daily services and that must say something about the DEMAND ......
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.......EISNN, so I "did'nt think it through" ???
I think you did'nt read it through !
It's obvious to all (except you) that the airport to which I was referring to, with it's 4 runways, was Paris, not Cork.
Please be so kind in the future as to read a post through before becoming
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I think you did'nt read it through !
It's obvious to all (except you) that the airport to which I was referring to, with it's 4 runways, was Paris, not Cork.
Please be so kind in the future as to read a post through before becoming
sarcastic.
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I doubt if a landing slot at CDG is the issue, it's probably the fact that Aerlingus needed an extra parking stand in the non-Schenegen part of Termnal 1 for the Cork flight.
Cork Newcastle seems to be doing exceptionally well this Winter. The Jet 2 Flights are at an optimum time for a weekend break.
Not sure why Brussells isn't as appealing although it once had the image of being a City for Business rather than pleasure.
The only other weekend break choices on Friday's from Cork are London, Paris or Amsterdam and many people have been to these cities already. There's no doubt that Cork people who fly from Dublin rather than Cork for trivial reasons are making it very difficult for the Airport to attract new routes.
Cork Newcastle seems to be doing exceptionally well this Winter. The Jet 2 Flights are at an optimum time for a weekend break.
Not sure why Brussells isn't as appealing although it once had the image of being a City for Business rather than pleasure.
The only other weekend break choices on Friday's from Cork are London, Paris or Amsterdam and many people have been to these cities already. There's no doubt that Cork people who fly from Dublin rather than Cork for trivial reasons are making it very difficult for the Airport to attract new routes.
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No wonder the people are heading to DUB. Every f**king travel agent in munster is sending people via the place. Been to no less than 5 agents in the last week and all i can hear on each side of me is " ORK is working out dear enough, if you go from DUB it's much cheaper". People going to Dhaka, naples and even heathrow! Even when booking my honeymoon 4 months ago they wanted me to go via DUB. I said "are you for real, i want to start my trip without any stress" and this was to heathrow to head to vegas. She said i would be saving €65 each. I told her i don't give a s**t, that i want to go from my own airport!
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Fair play to you Eirbus. When you take petrol at say €75 and tolls at €15, surely it's not worth what's still a 6 hour round trip to make a net saving of €40 euro and that's assuming you don't need to overnight. Of course you could take a coach and get a tour of Dublin City in the process. In many cases fares are similar but then other factors come into it like the departure date or time from Dublin being more convenient. It seems the convenience of flying from ones local airport is only a minor factor with many people.
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Aircoach will get u from Cork-Dublin Airport for less thn 30 euro so no need for the car They stop right outside each terminal door so no need to walk from car park or pay for it.
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Eirbus - Cork and the agents
It's not the travel agents sending everyone to Dublin.
If you go onto the website and you see a saving of €65.00 Euro......and there are 2 of you etc etc. Alot of people will swing that way.
There is an opportunity to do as you've just done with agents. Educate them on the cost of getting to Dublin, the pain of getting there. I'm amazed at how much pain people will take for €20.00. Ryanair proves how much pain people will take to save money.
All the agents are doing is highlighting the fare difference which is part of their job. In your instance, if it was Heathrow - chances are you were flying with BA or Virgin to Vegas. The price should have been exactly the same..........as the onward booking class would have been the same if you came from Dublin or Cork. So, that means the connection was a higher fare and possibly pushed the transatlantic fare higher also. Alternatively Dublin had more connections via Atlanta, Philadelphia, JFK, Newark, Chicago, Charlotte, Boston, or wherever.
90% of people coming through the door will want the best fare/simplest route combination. Cork also picks up it's fair share from Tipp/Kilkenny/Waterford based on the lack of hassle factor. So there is a two way street.
Regards
Shamrogue
If you go onto the website and you see a saving of €65.00 Euro......and there are 2 of you etc etc. Alot of people will swing that way.
There is an opportunity to do as you've just done with agents. Educate them on the cost of getting to Dublin, the pain of getting there. I'm amazed at how much pain people will take for €20.00. Ryanair proves how much pain people will take to save money.
All the agents are doing is highlighting the fare difference which is part of their job. In your instance, if it was Heathrow - chances are you were flying with BA or Virgin to Vegas. The price should have been exactly the same..........as the onward booking class would have been the same if you came from Dublin or Cork. So, that means the connection was a higher fare and possibly pushed the transatlantic fare higher also. Alternatively Dublin had more connections via Atlanta, Philadelphia, JFK, Newark, Chicago, Charlotte, Boston, or wherever.
90% of people coming through the door will want the best fare/simplest route combination. Cork also picks up it's fair share from Tipp/Kilkenny/Waterford based on the lack of hassle factor. So there is a two way street.
Regards
Shamrogue
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yet what may be a small core of interested parties get their way and a questionable Brussels route is launched last summer and is reduced for the upcoming summer schedule. That speaks volumes for Cork - Brussels, does it not?
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Did Aerlingus have to commandeer a Cork aircraft to do the Shannon Faro flights. It has played havoc with their advanced schedule and it still isn't sorted if the posts about the CDG times are correct.
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Almost Feb and no sun routes on sale from FR apart from AGP, FAO, PMI, GRO. They were out by this time last year but the same at LDY nothing, do the airport know if they will be back. Jan is a peak month for hoilday bookings.
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Don't think Cork will see the third aircraft because they are limited and Ireland will not be top of there list to get it, not sure about the summer flights but ALC is the only one realy missing and reduced AGP. Heard in November that one of the French routes will probaly be dropped but not confirmed. There is enough bases in Europe to cover what the two based can't.
Travel Agents,
Dublin will be cheaper as capacity is greather. I see KIR will be getting charter flights to PMI next summer so that will take from ORK.
Travel Agents,
Dublin will be cheaper as capacity is greather. I see KIR will be getting charter flights to PMI next summer so that will take from ORK.
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Have to admit, was surprised that the ORK-DUB flights don't pay and were pulled. If they want to channel everything thru the DUB hub, at least have flights to it!
Good job there's ORK-LHR, that's probably now Cork's link to places without direct flights.
Good job there's ORK-LHR, that's probably now Cork's link to places without direct flights.