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Old 3rd Sep 2013, 21:11
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Why is that "bad news", barrymah? There was a question about the IAA cutting Cork's overnight ATC cover entirely because of low traffic levels overnight. Now they are staying open, but apparently with only one controller. Is there really so much overnight traffic that this is going to be a constraint? Indeed (honest question, just for information): what overnight traffic is there normally? Some freight flights, or what?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 07:22
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Wasn't being pedantic, just continuing the general atmosphere of poor news on this thread recently. Of course the IAA will want to cut costs, so they reduce the effectives. It does make one think was there ever a justification for more than one, no significant business, apart from delayed or late freight, not even sure there is very much of the latter.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 08:50
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Aer Lingus A321

I see that Aer Lingus are using their A321 on ORK/LHR rotations for most of October. Hope this is a sign that ORK/LHR load factor is strong.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 08:51
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I'm actually in two minds about whether a nighttime closure would be a bad thing.

I didn't want to see the airport closing at midnight, but in reality, there is no demand for service from 1am to 5am, barring the occasional delayed flight, which could have been serviced through overtime arrangements.

If the airport was to close from 1am to 5am, it opens up potential for savings in other areas than ATC. And if those could have been passed in to airlines in the form of reduced charges, it may have proved positive.
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Old 9th Sep 2013, 17:52
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Cork Faro 2014

Anyone hazard a guess why Faro flights with Aer Lingus are not loaded for summer 2014 yet seeing as some others are and the Shannon Faro Rotation is loaded. Friend has enquired and the response they got was it is cancelled come October but this is when summer 2013 schedule ends.
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Old 10th Sep 2013, 18:10
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Another airline doing it?
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Old 10th Sep 2013, 18:54
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It will be released in the coming days operating as once daily from the middle of March 2014 - the route is not ending its simply very seasonal with virtually not enough demand to be viable in the winter months (Nov to Feb inclusive).

Shannon Faro Rotation is loaded
If you also notice the Shannon flight times it seems to indicate a Faro based aircraft operates the service however a Cork based aircraft does it goes;

Cork->Faro->Shannon->Faro->Cork

So the Cork-Faro schedule won't be too long, along with Cork to Palma Majorca
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 12:49
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A record year for transatlantic growth at the State airports this year with the exception of Cork..the best year ever for Dublin Airport with 14% growth and 1.8m pax, even surpassing the heights of the Celtic Tiger years!

Better still in the Midwest with 35% growth of transatlantic traffic at Shannon with 6 carriers flying across the Atlantic from Shannon..a record year!

Must be embarrassing for the management at Cork Airport with ZERO growth figures.
I`m sure they will continue to do nothing and collect their state salaries hoping the Airbus NEO and the 737 MAX can handle the 7,000ft runway in the latter half of this decade for transatlantic flights.
Why bother being proactive and lobby and plan for a minor extension of the runway at Cork like the management at Waterford airport , a non state airport successfully lobbied for this year.

The sooner Cork is made independent and privatised the better.

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Old 20th Sep 2013, 14:51
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Well said CCR. We need an independent Cork Airport and an entire clearout of the so-called management.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 15:58
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The sooner Cork is made independent and privatised the better.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 17:10
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The fact that Shannon was able to deliver Chicago and Philadelphia so quickly after going Independent is rightly or wrongly seen as evidence that both Cork and Shannon were being held back by the DAA. Cork needs to make a breakthrough to show that it's marketing strategy is working. There's been no new foreign airline enticed there apart from Manx 2 since the now defunct Sky Europe launched Bratislava in 2007.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 18:39
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Were they not still under the DAA when they were announced?

ORD was at the expense of EWR while US airways were planning on launching a new T/A route with the B757 and not many areas not already served within its range. They would of approached the DAA months before it was added.

Independent SNN delivered ALC service and GLA.


Separating cork won't mean a long hail service overnight, as many people expect it will happen.


For 2014 ork has extra regional aircraft and FR confirmed new routes are expected for the summer.

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Old 20th Sep 2013, 19:35
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UA still operate SNN EWR, I think ORD was announced when the DAA's role there was in its final weeks. Perception in the media is that Shannon is thriving since it broke away while Cork is stagnant. Their biggest customer Aerlingus has been just tweaking it's schedule in recent years . Ryanair has engaged in significant expansion since 2010 although most of it has involved going head to head with other carriers rather than opening new routes.

2014 might of course tell a different story and Shannon has fallen a lot further than Cork in the last five years.

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Old 20th Sep 2013, 20:28
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Really hoping for Aer Lingus mainline 2014 growth even with maybe a new route, wouldn't hold my breath but they haven't expanded all a lot in the last 2 years.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 21:25
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Not surprised, Brussels has hardly been a roaring success considering the hype surrounding its launch and the campaign to get it started in the first place. More A319s for EI would help prospects at Cork, any new route would be welcome but a sun route would be predictable.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 21:30
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UA still operate SNN EWR, I think ORD was announced when the DAA's role there was in its final weeks. Perception in the media is that Shannon is thriving since it broke away while Cork is stagnant. Their biggest customer Aerlingus has been just tweaking it's schedule in recent years . Ryanair has engaged in significant expansion since 2010 although most of it has involved going head to head with other carriers rather than opening new routes.

2014 might of course tell a different story and Shannon has fallen a lot further than Cork in the last five years.
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The summer before ORD was announced, over the same peak period 4 weekly flights extra operated to EWR. This year that extra capacity has moved to ORD service.

Remember media and fact are very different, they have yet to pick up the reduction by EI in winter.

Really hoping for Aer Lingus mainline 2014 growth even with maybe a new route, wouldn't hold my breath but they haven't expanded all a lot in the last 2 years.
And this trend will likely continue, they said in July at there will be little growth in 2014 and what will happen is with current capacity will be changed to get the best revenue. They did say there is some scope during peak season (July/August) for some growth however they are looking at ways to allow this without increasing costs to much.

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 09:48
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Flights suspended

No flights into Cork until at least 1200Z!

EI841 (AMS) and EI3701 (BHX) are gone to Shannon, EI711 (LHR) holding over ROVAL and expects to follow suit probably along with EI3721 (MAN), FR9948 (FAO) and FR9729 (BGY)!

RVR's at 200meters now for the last hour - Long Night ahead!
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 11:11
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You have to love the way the disruption is put up on the airport.

Oh wait... It isn't...

I can't think of any other similarly sized airport that wouldn't have that as one of the first things to do when the airport is not operating.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 12:10
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Until LTN upgraded its ILS to Cat3 this was a typical feature of the Airport in the sky.....low cloud/mist/fog causing too many diversions.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 12:35
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EI flights now diverting to Dublin EI883 has gone EI889 will go in a few min
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