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im a person who has got nothing against liverpool
the fact LPL has got the one flight MAN really wants back on its departure board, that elusive MAD!
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rapidman47 your right there are people with an attitude in Manchester as there are in Liverpool, however dont tar everyone with the same brush. Whether you intend it or not your posts do come across as anti Manchester. ( e.g. your suggestion Easy were to withdraw from MAN)
That apart your news is interesting and if the North was to get flights to the areas you mention from Liverpool that would be of interest to me. However I am slighlty perplexed by a loco long haul spreading its reach so far, good luck to them and thank you for providing a little more insite.
Seperately dropped off a mate at LPL today for a FR flight and he called me to say that the new facilities where a vast improvement.
That apart your news is interesting and if the North was to get flights to the areas you mention from Liverpool that would be of interest to me. However I am slighlty perplexed by a loco long haul spreading its reach so far, good luck to them and thank you for providing a little more insite.
Seperately dropped off a mate at LPL today for a FR flight and he called me to say that the new facilities where a vast improvement.
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there are people with an attitude in Manchester as there are in Liverpool, however dont tar everyone with the same brush
your suggestion Easy were to withdraw from MAN
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Why are there no early morning public transport links to Liverpool airport? Since they stopped the N86 bus it is impossible to access Liverpool airport by public transport if your flight departs much before 8am. It's actually cheaper and quicker for me to get the early morning train from Lime Street to Manchester airport than it is for me to get a taxi to LPL. I think this is unfortunate. In addition to the N86 they also used to have a coach wich linked Liverpool city centre and airports with Manchester airport and city centre. Whatever happened to both of them? Having good public transport links seems pretty fundamental to me.
I certainly hope the new security area is an improvment on what it was. Even without the access problems, I usually try to use MAN or BHX whenever possible because I have had such bad experiences with LPL in the past
I certainly hope the new security area is an improvment on what it was. Even without the access problems, I usually try to use MAN or BHX whenever possible because I have had such bad experiences with LPL in the past
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Why are there no early morning public transport links to Liverpool airport? Since they stopped the N86 bus it is impossible to access Liverpool airport by public transport if your flight departs much before 8am.
The first bus 86a to LJLA departs Liverpool city at 5.20am runs about every 20 mins there are others, cant under stand why you cant get to the airport before 8.00am
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im a person who has got nothing against liverpool
Really?
Very good quote Dwlpl. You should work for the daily mail mis-using quotes to your own advantage. Had you selected the next few words, what I said shows its full meaning.
the fact LPL has got the one flight MAN really wants back on its departure board, that elusive MAD! Maybe its down to demand.
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No, no I dont, but if it helps you to have your daily chuckle, then go for it. A lot of the MAD pax originate in MAN, but as LPL had cheaper options when BA ran the route, it did better. Now there is no MAN alternative so obviously pax have to use LPL.
The long haul routes that i am talking about do not I repeat do not have any alternative from Manchester. One is a far east route another North American,
also South America with a Tech stop.
None of these routes have any thing to do with ryanair, but there is another airline who are looking at long rang routes, and you will be very supprised when you find out who they are
Ok, well why not just say what the routes are and the airline?
Now to break it down, Far east, Id have guessed KUL with maybe air asia X at most, and as for North America, Toronto would be the best guess as I very much doubt LPL is about to get an LAX for example. The only other route Id say LPL could try is New York again.
As for south America, Id expect that to be on P.I.G air, as even LHR has only just started to really build up its south American routes with TAM/BA.
Please remember you have been wrong before rapidman, so you can understand my sceptisism.
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Very good quote Dwlpl. You should work for the daily mail mis-using quotes to your own advantage. Had you selected the next few words, what I said shows its full meaning.
the fact LPL has got the one flight MAN really wants back on its departure board, that elusive MAD! Maybe its down to demand.
See what I did there?
No, no I dont, but if it helps you to have your daily chuckle, then go for it. A lot of the MAD pax originate in MAN, but as LPL had cheaper options when BA ran the route, it did better. Now there is no MAN alternative so obviously pax have to use LPL.
The long haul routes that i am talking about do not I repeat do not have any alternative from Manchester. One is a far east route another North American,
also South America with a Tech stop.
None of these routes have any thing to do with ryanair, but there is another airline who are looking at long rang routes, and you will be very supprised when you find out who they are
Ok, well why not just say what the routes are and the airline?
Now to break it down, Far east, Id have guessed KUL with maybe air asia X at most, and as for North America, Toronto would be the best guess as I very much doubt LPL is about to get an LAX for example. The only other route Id say LPL could try is New York again.
As for south America, Id expect that to be on P.I.G air, as even LHR has only just started to really build up its south American routes with TAM/BA.
Please remember you have been wrong before rapidman, so you can understand my sceptisism.
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the fact LPL has got the one flight MAN really wants back on its departure board, that elusive MAD! Maybe its down to demand.
See what I did there?
See what I did there?
A lot of the MAD pax originate in MAN, but as LPL had cheaper options when BA ran the route, it did better. Now there is no MAN alternative so obviously pax have to use LPL.
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The first bus 86a to LJLA departs Liverpool city at 5.20am runs about every 20 mins there are others, cant under stand why you cant get to the airport before 8.00am
The first bus 86a to LJLA departs Liverpool city at 5.20am runs about every 20 mins there are others, cant under stand why you cant get to the airport before 8.00am
I said 8am because in addition to the above, experience has taught me that you often need this additional time to transit security at LPL, and the airlines point to their t&c's stating that you should be at the airport two hours before departure to absolve themselves of blame if you miss your flight due to being stuck in a security queue. Hopefully the new area will be a vast improvment. IF they improve the local transport links I may be able to start using my local airport again. As I wrote earlier, it is actually cheaper, easier and quicker for me to fly from MAN first thing of a morning and I live in Liverpool city centre!
As someone born and bred in Liverpool, I think it's a shame that some posters here seem to have blind loyalty to what is nothing more than a big building in a field with a big long piece of tarmac next to it. Why take criticism of an airport so personally!?
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Are you refering to my post? I'm pointing out a gap in early morning airport transport links which never used to exist and asking why this is now the case?
Essentially there are two issues.
1. It is impossible to get to the airport for a flight which leaves before 7am i.e. one of it's busiest peoiods of the day.
2. Security often aggrivates this situation.
Security might have been improved not but it still leaves the issue of public transport.
Essentially there are two issues.
1. It is impossible to get to the airport for a flight which leaves before 7am i.e. one of it's busiest peoiods of the day.
2. Security often aggrivates this situation.
Security might have been improved not but it still leaves the issue of public transport.
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How so? Check in for flights leaving at 6am closes at 5.20am, a full 40 minutes before the first bus arrives. Arriving at the airport at 6am on the first bus means that check in for a 6.40am flight is closeing and you are going calling it pretty tight for anything departing before 7am as you have to walk to the terminal from the bus stop and are are relying on there being no problems with the bus journey.
What part of that does not stand up to scruitiny?
What part of that does not stand up to scruitiny?
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You earlier gave the example that you travel by train to MAN because its 'cheaper, easier and quicker'.
Take each inturn.
Cheaper - maybe it could be. Its £11.80 by train to MAN, if you use a taxi from near the Hilton in Liverpool, as I did a few weeks ago, that costs £13.50. A PH cab will be less. For more than one person travelling then the cost pp dramatically reduces by taxi/cab.
Easier - putting out your hand to flag down a Hackney cannot be made much easier.
Quicker - 20 minutes in a taxi is far less than a minimum of one hour by train.
Then you say 'tiny 20 minutes worth of redundancy for potential traffic and the walk to the terminal'. You wont find much of a traffic delay in any city at 5am and if you get the bus or taxi to LPL then you have a matter of yards to walk to the terminal.
Next is 'experience has taught me that you often need this additional time to transit security at LPL', hopefully that wont happen now, as you said, that the new enlarged security area has come on line.
You also quoted the first wave of flights and being there up to 2 hours before take off, 4am for a 6am flight. If you use the train as you said you did then you wont do that either at a MAN flight as the first train does not arrive at the station until 435am.
Take each inturn.
Cheaper - maybe it could be. Its £11.80 by train to MAN, if you use a taxi from near the Hilton in Liverpool, as I did a few weeks ago, that costs £13.50. A PH cab will be less. For more than one person travelling then the cost pp dramatically reduces by taxi/cab.
Easier - putting out your hand to flag down a Hackney cannot be made much easier.
Quicker - 20 minutes in a taxi is far less than a minimum of one hour by train.
Then you say 'tiny 20 minutes worth of redundancy for potential traffic and the walk to the terminal'. You wont find much of a traffic delay in any city at 5am and if you get the bus or taxi to LPL then you have a matter of yards to walk to the terminal.
Next is 'experience has taught me that you often need this additional time to transit security at LPL', hopefully that wont happen now, as you said, that the new enlarged security area has come on line.
You also quoted the first wave of flights and being there up to 2 hours before take off, 4am for a 6am flight. If you use the train as you said you did then you wont do that either at a MAN flight as the first train does not arrive at the station until 435am.
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I understand that two routes are to be announced later today.
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You talk about taking each of my points in turn but all you have actually done is focus on one comment I made about using MAN. You have completely ignored my point, namely that there is an early morning gap in public transport links between Liverpool city centre and it's airport.
I'm not sure where you got a £13.50 hackney cab from but a private hire from a similar location where I live costs around £14. This contrasts with £8.30 for a train to MAN. Easier in the sense that I know exactly what time I need to wake up in order to walk to the station to be on time. The train takes 45 minutes and by the time I've to waited for/hunted down a taxi this is usually the quicker option.
20 minutes redundancy for the bus trip is not very generous. Granted theres little traffic, but there are frequent stops to pick up many passengers (as it's the first bus of the day) and it very rarely arrives bang on 6am. With strict check in times, how confident would you feel knowing you are going to be deposited at the airport in the very same minute that the check in desk is going to close? Wouldn't you want to leave yourself at least a little bit of breathing room? At least arriving at MAN at 4.35 I know Im going to be on a 6am departure, something which is impossible if I'm flying from LPL.
I'm not criticising LPL as an airport; I'm asking why it is not linked to the city centre in the way that it used to be and should be. People on this forum write about LPL getting new far flung long haul destinations. This would be much easier if LPL had better ground links which improved its catchment area. The early morning bus used to be full of obth passengers and airport workers so I dont think it is a demand issue. Furthermore, as the N86 was technically a night bus, everyone had to pay £2 and passes were not accepted. Surely it was a nice revenue earner for the bus company. Why stop it?
I'm not sure where you got a £13.50 hackney cab from but a private hire from a similar location where I live costs around £14. This contrasts with £8.30 for a train to MAN. Easier in the sense that I know exactly what time I need to wake up in order to walk to the station to be on time. The train takes 45 minutes and by the time I've to waited for/hunted down a taxi this is usually the quicker option.
20 minutes redundancy for the bus trip is not very generous. Granted theres little traffic, but there are frequent stops to pick up many passengers (as it's the first bus of the day) and it very rarely arrives bang on 6am. With strict check in times, how confident would you feel knowing you are going to be deposited at the airport in the very same minute that the check in desk is going to close? Wouldn't you want to leave yourself at least a little bit of breathing room? At least arriving at MAN at 4.35 I know Im going to be on a 6am departure, something which is impossible if I'm flying from LPL.
I'm not criticising LPL as an airport; I'm asking why it is not linked to the city centre in the way that it used to be and should be. People on this forum write about LPL getting new far flung long haul destinations. This would be much easier if LPL had better ground links which improved its catchment area. The early morning bus used to be full of obth passengers and airport workers so I dont think it is a demand issue. Furthermore, as the N86 was technically a night bus, everyone had to pay £2 and passes were not accepted. Surely it was a nice revenue earner for the bus company. Why stop it?
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