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rapidman - Britain's industrial cities become holiday hotspots | UK news | The Guardian
Suggests that London gets on average 15m overseas visitors per year.
Edinburgh 1.3million and firmly in third place Manchester at 900,000 per year.
In 4th Birmingham at 737,000 a year and Glasgow 687,000.
These figures are all over news reports today.
No idea where you have found your figures putting Inverness and Liverpool so high!1
Suggests that London gets on average 15m overseas visitors per year.
Edinburgh 1.3million and firmly in third place Manchester at 900,000 per year.
In 4th Birmingham at 737,000 a year and Glasgow 687,000.
These figures are all over news reports today.
No idea where you have found your figures putting Inverness and Liverpool so high!1
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Regional Long Haul
Is an airport manager's wet dream. They are always in "talks". However given that it is extraordainarily tricky to have succesful long haul with an established competitor next door, I doubt any established carrier could make Liverpool a success.
Stansted doesn't work as the critical mass is at Heathrow. Gatwick has carved a niche in leisure long haul that matches it's traditional demographics whereas Bristol just lost Continental as too many were using the Heathrow option due to more times, connections and for some a bigger aeroplane.
Given that MAN is only now re-establsihing lapsed long haul schedules, what does Liverpool bring to the table that won't be undermined by an existing MAN service. It's not like AMS, long haul is a different beast.
BTW These figures have a load of double counting as loads visit London and then do somewhere else. This does not mean they will want to fly directly to Liverpool or Glasgow as loads still arrive intending to do London and Edinburgh and A.N. Other.
Stansted doesn't work as the critical mass is at Heathrow. Gatwick has carved a niche in leisure long haul that matches it's traditional demographics whereas Bristol just lost Continental as too many were using the Heathrow option due to more times, connections and for some a bigger aeroplane.
Given that MAN is only now re-establsihing lapsed long haul schedules, what does Liverpool bring to the table that won't be undermined by an existing MAN service. It's not like AMS, long haul is a different beast.
BTW These figures have a load of double counting as loads visit London and then do somewhere else. This does not mean they will want to fly directly to Liverpool or Glasgow as loads still arrive intending to do London and Edinburgh and A.N. Other.
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I see the new regime is in talks with airlines regarding long haul destinations
True - this is a better position, I am sure, than LPL has ever had before.
This said, it doesn't necessarily mean any carrier is actually any more likely than before to do anything. Long haul normally means large aircraft (especially if you need to get to the low per seat prices that the LPL market normally demands), which means a lot of seats to fill and which generally means you need some sort of feed either at one end of the route or the other. Very few long-haul routes can survive on O&D passengers only; I would suggest that unless EZY has a change of heart soon, long-haul will always be elusive to LPL as with the strength of MAN in the long-haul market it will never be able to produce enough volumes to consistently fill aircraft.
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However given that it is extraordainarily tricky to have succesful long haul with an established competitor next door, I doubt any established carrier could make Liverpool a success.
The way its worded points to at least one airline being a Canadian based one.
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From the British Tourist Authority via Visit Britain.
It is those figures being quoted in all the media today that places London ahead of Edinbugh then Manchester, Brum and Glasgow.
I trust you don't have a link to your 'story'?
This seems to explain the Liverpool and Inverness inclusion...
BBC News - Scots cities 'top UK attractions'
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It's not like AMS, long haul is a different beast.
That was a similar reason that was oft repeated for short haul flights too, but EZY and FR, latterly KLM, have proved otherwise
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If it is a Canadian carrier then it is quite possible a once or twice weekly service to Toronto could happen for Summer seasons, plenty of VFR's for that kind of service at the right price. Inevitably I would suggest that it would be at the expense of passengers from Manchester services.
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Having just had a rare return flight from LPL.(It was free). No new security in use, and the corridor we walked down to passport control on the return was damp and smelled.
Not impressed with the airport at all.
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Not impressed with the airport at all.
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Having seen what LPL is after I am very surprised he thinks that LPL-Nassau is a route to have! If Nassau is poorly served from the UK, it must be for a reason....namely no demand.
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New security area is now up and running all passengers now have to access security by new lifts, escalators and stairs adjacent check-in desk 1. A lot of work is still to be carried out on the remainder of the uplift to departures as many new shops etc are still under construction. Completion is expected by early September. The arrivals area which Jubilee complained of is due to be uplifted in the next phase.
re Regional Long Haul, what happened to the market that Wardair and to a lesser extent CP Air had 20/30 years ago? The current Air Transat operation is similar but a lot smaller - has it just disappeared or dispersed via the various continental hubs?
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My you all hate Liverpool dont you here is the link to prove what i say
> News > NW cities among top UK destinations - Place North West
and the long haul flights, as i said talks have been on going for some time now, that is what i ment when i said watch this space
> News > NW cities among top UK destinations - Place North West
and the long haul flights, as i said talks have been on going for some time now, that is what i ment when i said watch this space
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Rapidman, Love the technicality in your post
You stated Liverpool was 5th behind London, Glasgow, Inverness and Edinburgh for holiday visits, but your arch rival down the road was 3rd over all, and the most important category of all, business. I know you hate MAN, given past posts so not surprising you left that bit out. LPL may have more tourists, but they are usually low yeilding, whereas business tends to be higher. sorry about that
As for long haul from LPL, if your reference is to RYR starting long haul, im going to have to give a big no thank you. LPL-New york will end up being New York Stewart, which, by the time you save money on the no meal, no entertainment low cost flight, you soon end up spending on ground transport to where you actually want to go.
Other than that, LPL long haul has been tried before, and failed miserably.
Sorry but just my 2 cents
You stated Liverpool was 5th behind London, Glasgow, Inverness and Edinburgh for holiday visits, but your arch rival down the road was 3rd over all, and the most important category of all, business. I know you hate MAN, given past posts so not surprising you left that bit out. LPL may have more tourists, but they are usually low yeilding, whereas business tends to be higher. sorry about that
As for long haul from LPL, if your reference is to RYR starting long haul, im going to have to give a big no thank you. LPL-New york will end up being New York Stewart, which, by the time you save money on the no meal, no entertainment low cost flight, you soon end up spending on ground transport to where you actually want to go.
Other than that, LPL long haul has been tried before, and failed miserably.
Sorry but just my 2 cents
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I do not dislike Manchester I use it when I cant get a flight from Liverpool.
what I do hate are some of the people in Manchester how think they are Gods gift to the northwest of England which they are not
The long haul routes that i am talking about do not I repeat do not have any alternative from Manchester. One is a far east route another North American,
also South America with a Tech stop.
None of these routes have any thing to do with ryanair, but there is another airline who are looking at long rang routes, and you will be very supprised when you find out who they are
what I do hate are some of the people in Manchester how think they are Gods gift to the northwest of England which they are not
The long haul routes that i am talking about do not I repeat do not have any alternative from Manchester. One is a far east route another North American,
also South America with a Tech stop.
None of these routes have any thing to do with ryanair, but there is another airline who are looking at long rang routes, and you will be very supprised when you find out who they are
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well just to let you know im a person who has got nothing against liverpool, just dislike it when people have an obvious chip on their shoulder that LPL is not as big as MAN.
As far as im concerned, the growth between LPL and MAN has happened for a reason, and people should just accept it for how it is. If LPL could warrant long haul for example, dont you think it would be there by now?
Just to balance the arguement, LPL is far superior for eastern European flights, and the fact LPL has got the one flight MAN really wants back on its departure board, that elusive MAD!
As far as im concerned, the growth between LPL and MAN has happened for a reason, and people should just accept it for how it is. If LPL could warrant long haul for example, dont you think it would be there by now?
Just to balance the arguement, LPL is far superior for eastern European flights, and the fact LPL has got the one flight MAN really wants back on its departure board, that elusive MAD!
