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Think you may find 8 Easyjet A/C not 7.
We actually have 9 aircraft based in LPL now, but this will be reduced to 7 next winter! One 319 will be swopped for a 320 so this winter we will have 5 319s and 2 320s.
We actually have 9 aircraft based in LPL now, but this will be reduced to 7 next winter! One 319 will be swopped for a 320 so this winter we will have 5 319s and 2 320s.
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RYR AXES MILAN, ROME, RIMINI, ALMERIA
Drastic reductions by RYR out of LPL.....
Ryanair cuts Liverpool John Lennon Airport flights and blames high taxes - Liverpool Local News - News - Liverpool Echo
One wonders, if it is all down to the UK's APD, why nothing as yet seems to have been chopped 30 miles down the road.....
BOSSES at budget airline Ryanair today blamed UK taxes for a shock decision to axe scores of flights from Liverpool’s John Lennon airport to destinations in Europe.
The low-cost carrier has decided to axe flights to Milan, Rome and Rimini, all in Italy, throughout summer.
Flights to Almeria, in Spain, were also chopped and the frequency of flights on other routes pared back.
Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamara said: “As the UK government has increased APD, yet again we were forced to close Liverpool routes to and from Almeria, Milan, Rimini and Rome from April and reduce frequencies on a number of other routes.
One wonders, if it is all down to the UK's APD, why nothing as yet seems to have been chopped 30 miles down the road.....
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I'm glad the Liverpool Echo told me that Rome, Milan and Rimini are in Italy ... I'd never have known otherwise. 
So RYR have closed the routes because UK APD increased whilst making no mention that passenger numbers had dropped?
Typical RYR nonsense.
So RYR have closed the routes because UK APD increased whilst making no mention that passenger numbers had dropped?
Typical RYR nonsense.
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Sorry to point out the obvious...but haven't FR just launched Milan and Rome ex-Manchester? Since you could reasonably argue that the LPL-LEI and LPL-RMI were probably pretty marginal anyway in terms of volume demand/yield compared to the other more 'popular' Spanish & Italian destinations...as Mr Fogg puts it "usual Ryanair nonsense" blaming it on APD.
Worse still that the LPL management in the same article back up Ryanair on this anti-APD line...when it appears quite blatent that they're simply shifting volume across to MAN.
Worse still that the LPL management in the same article back up Ryanair on this anti-APD line...when it appears quite blatent that they're simply shifting volume across to MAN.
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Drastic reductions by RYR out of LPL.....
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BOSSES at budget airline Ryanair today blamed UK taxes for a shock decision to axe scores of flights from Liverpool’s John Lennon airport to destinations in Europe.
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The low-cost carrier has decided to axe flights to Milan, Rome and Rimini, all in Italy, throughout summer.
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Flights to Almeria, in Spain, were also chopped and the frequency of flights on other routes pared back.
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Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamara said: “As the UK government has increased APD, yet again we were forced to close Liverpool routes to and from Almeria, Milan, Rimini and Rome from April and reduce frequencies on a number of other routes.
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BOSSES at budget airline Ryanair today blamed UK taxes for a shock decision to axe scores of flights from Liverpool’s John Lennon airport to destinations in Europe.
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The low-cost carrier has decided to axe flights to Milan, Rome and Rimini, all in Italy, throughout summer.
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Flights to Almeria, in Spain, were also chopped and the frequency of flights on other routes pared back.
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Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamara said: “As the UK government has increased APD, yet again we were forced to close Liverpool routes to and from Almeria, Milan, Rimini and Rome from April and reduce frequencies on a number of other routes.
I wish the Echo would employ people who would do there home work and get it right.
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The Echo getting it wrong again these routes haven't opped this year so they are not reductions
Doesn't quite balance with what the Echo and Ryanair say:
Passengers who had already booked seats on fights which have been cancelled are being offered the choice of a full refund or a free switch to an alternative route.
Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamara said: “As the UK government has increased APD, yet again we were forced to close Liverpool routes to and from Almeria, Milan, Rimini and Rome from April and reduce frequencies on a number of other routes.
Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamara said: “As the UK government has increased APD, yet again we were forced to close Liverpool routes to and from Almeria, Milan, Rimini and Rome from April and reduce frequencies on a number of other routes.
I wish the Echo would employ people who would do there home work and get it right
Maybe one should take a leaf from one's own book...
Still, Italy available on RYR from just down the road, should you need to get there..
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One wonders, if it is all down to the UK's APD, why nothing as yet seems to have been chopped 30 miles down the road
Not really understandable as the ADF was a BLK imposed tax on pax - Not a government tax, and was to be used for the good of the airport. Many other airports have imposed covert taxes.
FR are so unpredictable..
Used Liverpool for the 1st time this Easter - Nice easy airport to use.
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The problem with the argument is that ADP is enforced at all UK airports, so can we expect similar cuts elsewhere, I suggest not. As has been said its just an excuse.
Ernest do you have sound evidence the routes cut from BLK were profitable.
Ernest do you have sound evidence the routes cut from BLK were profitable.
Is it not just FR killing two birds with one stone? Using tge ensuing publicity of route cuts by showing their dislike for APD. They did similar when they pulled the thinner UK DUB routes, and blamed it on charges in DUB.
It seems FR see better potential for those routes from MAN, probably nothing more.
It seems FR see better potential for those routes from MAN, probably nothing more.
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Ernest do you have sound evidence the routes cut from BLK were profitable.
Also the FR Dublin route has been taken over by Aer Arron, now operated by Aer Lingus and the frequency is 6 days a week..With high fares it's safe to assume that BLK/Dublin is a profitable route.
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Originally Posted by MUFC_fan
Hope all had a good Christmas and just before the new year I think I should give an update on passenger numbers. Although some people say that revenue is the most important thing, they too are wrong. It is profit that is the big thing but we can all have a nosy at the numbers of people using the airport, however we are not able to see the profits made or lost. OK, little rant over, with the numbers:
October
BFS 3742 48%
IOM 2003 63%
DUB 8186 70%
FAO 4496 89%
ALC 4509 85%
GRO 9016 82%
AGP 5491 84%
MJV 2714 83%
PMI 4382 78%
TFS 133 45%
November
IOM 1991 68%
DUB 6354 60%
FAO 312 53%
ALC 2195 82%
GRO 2976 68%
AGP 345 58%
MJV 208 70%
PMI 283 48%
TFS 962 81%
October
BFS 3742 48%
IOM 2003 63%
DUB 8186 70%
FAO 4496 89%
ALC 4509 85%
GRO 9016 82%
AGP 5491 84%
MJV 2714 83%
PMI 4382 78%
TFS 133 45%
November
IOM 1991 68%
DUB 6354 60%
FAO 312 53%
ALC 2195 82%
GRO 2976 68%
AGP 345 58%
MJV 208 70%
PMI 283 48%
TFS 962 81%
SOURCE: #987
Last edited by Ernest Lanc's; 17th Apr 2012 at 22:07. Reason: To edit in pax numbers
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OLT Express
OLT Express launched operations on 02 April 12, initially with 10 domestic routes within Poland. The airline is expanding its operation starting May 2012, and has announced the expansion to continental Europe starting 29 October 12 from 5 Polish bases (on-top of 23 domestic routes it will be serving by then);
Warsaw - 17 new European routes with 75 weekly flights all starting from 29 October 12
Gdansk - 13 new European routes with 57 weekly flights all starting from 29 October 12
Bydgoszcz - 12 new European routes with 25 weekly flights all starting from 29 October 12
Rzeszow - 7 new European routes with 18 weekly flights all starting from 29 October 12
Lodz - 5 new European routes with 8 weekly flights starting all starting from 29 October 12
The new routes to the UK & IRE will be:
BRS-BZG - 2x Weekly
LPL-BZG - 2x Weekly
NCL-BZG - 2x Weekly
LGW-BZG - 2x Weekly
LGW-GDN - 1x Daily
LGW-WAW - 1x Daily
ORK-BZG - 2x Weekly
EDI-LCJ - 1x Weekly
EDI-BZG - 2x Weekly
They seem to be pretty sorted, especially as it doesn't look like that they will be going head to head on many WZZ or RYR routes at all, and with cheap flights starting at 29.99 one way inclusive of 16kg baggage allowance and 8kg cabin baggage allowance. (also 50% discount applies for pax aged 2 to 18), then hopefully they will do very well.
Warsaw - 17 new European routes with 75 weekly flights all starting from 29 October 12
Gdansk - 13 new European routes with 57 weekly flights all starting from 29 October 12
Bydgoszcz - 12 new European routes with 25 weekly flights all starting from 29 October 12
Rzeszow - 7 new European routes with 18 weekly flights all starting from 29 October 12
Lodz - 5 new European routes with 8 weekly flights starting all starting from 29 October 12
The new routes to the UK & IRE will be:
BRS-BZG - 2x Weekly
LPL-BZG - 2x Weekly
NCL-BZG - 2x Weekly
LGW-BZG - 2x Weekly
LGW-GDN - 1x Daily
LGW-WAW - 1x Daily
ORK-BZG - 2x Weekly
EDI-LCJ - 1x Weekly
EDI-BZG - 2x Weekly
They seem to be pretty sorted, especially as it doesn't look like that they will be going head to head on many WZZ or RYR routes at all, and with cheap flights starting at 29.99 one way inclusive of 16kg baggage allowance and 8kg cabin baggage allowance. (also 50% discount applies for pax aged 2 to 18), then hopefully they will do very well.
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OLT
Have you seen the LPL schedule? Departs at 02.20! Yawn. Handy after you,ve had a night on the beer first. Interesting also for a loco - the turnaround time on the ground away from home of 1 hour and 40 minutes. Gives the crew enough time to down a beer or two, also.
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The Polish market isn't contracting - six out of eight Polish routes from Liverpool grew in March 2012 compared to the previous March
I stand by my assertion that Poland is a contracting market. Save for RYR and their introductory lead in fares from MAN which will temporarily boost overall figures for the nationwide total, the trend is downward. The immigrant worker totals show a net deficit; Polish routes are relying more and more on tourist flow.
I wish them well. It takes balls to go up against RYR. Let's see the annual stats at the end of the year and come back to this topic...and see whether OLT is still on the route..
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True, one month's figures don't tell the full story. How about 12 months? Pax between the UK and Poland increased by 35,000 in 2011. Or if you want a trend how about three years? 4,352k (2009), 4,226k (2010) and 4,261k (2011). Not growing much, I grant you, but not declining either....