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Each airline has its own preferences regarding the release of information, i no for certain that all airlines operating to/from Cork, do not release any passenger figures until after the flight has arrived @ the Destination Airport, the's figures are then made available to the public & OCC as soon as the flight is detected arrived at its destination airport, by CFMU - EuroControl.
As for what law it falls under im not sure, but i think it may be under the passenger manifests act , i think that's available in the IAA Navigation Acts & Law Book.
As for what law it falls under im not sure, but i think it may be under the passenger manifests act , i think that's available in the IAA Navigation Acts & Law Book.
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Is this the IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK thread or the LEGALITIES OF PAX INFOMATION thread???
I haven't seen any posts from Jamie2k9 in a few hours..... the law must have caught up with him!
I haven't seen any posts from Jamie2k9 in a few hours..... the law must have caught up with him!
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I aint too fussed about the legal side of things, but we all know someone from fr watches these forums. Some of us know each others user names. But just watch out what you put in a public forum, some people in fr are evil and will grass you up. Dont use your own email either. Or post about a flight you was on.
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As cuthere said that where I got them from which FR have an public display.
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quiet right
you can say that again.
As cuthere said that where I got them from which FR have an public display.
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I think all of us who work for fr can find out flight loads from the crew room or even customer service desks, but we shouldn't be posting information like that. Maybe say the loads look good 
some people in fr are evil and will grass you up
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Jamie2k9 i suggest you take a break and get some fresh air more often, a lot of your statements lack credibility. You seem to be on-line posting comments more often then the Administrators.
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Jamie2k9 i suggest you take a break and get some fresh air more often, a lot of your statements lack credibility. You seem to be on-line posting comments more often then the Administrators.
FYI some of us appreciate his contribution.
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Back to Knock,
Good to hear high loads on the first Canaries flights despite very little marketing. Also significant as the Canaries services are to run year round, IWAK has been without winter sun routes for the last couple of years.
The airport MD is saying they are expecting to cater for 650000 this year which is a bit on the low side given current route portfolio but without economic recovery they probably aren't expecting recovery in UK demand.
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Good to hear high loads on the first Canaries flights despite very little marketing. Also significant as the Canaries services are to run year round, IWAK has been without winter sun routes for the last couple of years.
The airport MD is saying they are expecting to cater for 650000 this year which is a bit on the low side given current route portfolio but without economic recovery they probably aren't expecting recovery in UK demand.
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Im not atacking any forum members, i too enjoy his contributions, and if i gave that impression Jamie2k9 i apologize.
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Also im not very familiar with Knock, but im wondering is the development of new stands still going-ahead?? i am aware the Airport has only 3 stands which can be used simultaneously, and this happens on a regular basis.
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Also im not very familiar with Knock, but im wondering is the development of new stands still going-ahead?? i am aware the Airport has only 3 stands which can be used simultaneously, and this happens on a regular basis.
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Still only 3 stands on main apron A, similar size apron B sometimes used when main stands closed, pax bussed to terminal. Apron and taxiway surfaces were recently re-laid and marked, turn-pads were extended last year with RESA added on 09 end.
You would think the limited stand space it will become critical this summer with additional schedules. They planned to add 3 stands last year and a further 3 this year as part of the airport master plan.
But 4 years of An Taisce planning objections have delayed several projects including a planned car park and entrance road re-design which is blocking proposed apron. Also I believe the project was partly funded by Government capital dev grant which has been cut in recent budgets.
You would think the limited stand space it will become critical this summer with additional schedules. They planned to add 3 stands last year and a further 3 this year as part of the airport master plan.
But 4 years of An Taisce planning objections have delayed several projects including a planned car park and entrance road re-design which is blocking proposed apron. Also I believe the project was partly funded by Government capital dev grant which has been cut in recent budgets.
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Yes i was thinking along those lines about Capacity on Apron A. I must say though that's the first i've heard of Apron B being used when Apron A is operating at Capacity. Hopefully those new stands will happen soon though as the Airport had more flights last summer on some days then Shannon.
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I know B has been used when A stands are closed for work, but I don't think it's common. They probably try toto spread the schedule to avoid congestion and most work done in winter months.
But it does seem like a major weakness, also means they can't easily accept diversions as we saw during the major snow closures which filled SNN this year.
But it does seem like a major weakness, also means they can't easily accept diversions as we saw during the major snow closures which filled SNN this year.
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Why do they need to redesign the entrance road to increase the size of the apron?
There's loads of space up there to expand without having to do anything drastic like that surely?
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It would be great if Knock broke the 650,000 pax mark this year. Would show what could be achievable in more prosperous economic times. Who knows, it might be a 1 million pax airport some time down the line. Not anytime soon though!
One other thing - what was there to stop Knock taking diversions and leaving the planes on Apron B until they could leave? It would have been a limited number but I'd have thought they could have taken a few in December.
There's loads of space up there to expand without having to do anything drastic like that surely?
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It would be great if Knock broke the 650,000 pax mark this year. Would show what could be achievable in more prosperous economic times. Who knows, it might be a 1 million pax airport some time down the line. Not anytime soon though!
One other thing - what was there to stop Knock taking diversions and leaving the planes on Apron B until they could leave? It would have been a limited number but I'd have thought they could have taken a few in December.
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Apron plan is to expand north in first phase, which is across the current staff carpark and care-hire area. With car park already full to overflowing in summer they can't easily build over those areas without an alternative.
Not sure if that's the main hold up but may be partly to blame along with funding. Expanding apron east would be next but requires moving the fuel farm and major earthworks.
The current land-side parking set up isn't optimal for set down, bus, pedestrian or car hire access to the new terminal. The re-design should have happened along with the terminal building, but was held up by planning objections which were overruled by ABP last year.
Design involved a new long term car park with covered walkways along airport road, a new roundabout and entrance from existing road next to the new terminal, with bus bays and set down points outside the departure lounge. Purpose built car-hire compounds would also be built on current overflow car park.
Not sure if that's the main hold up but may be partly to blame along with funding. Expanding apron east would be next but requires moving the fuel farm and major earthworks.
The current land-side parking set up isn't optimal for set down, bus, pedestrian or car hire access to the new terminal. The re-design should have happened along with the terminal building, but was held up by planning objections which were overruled by ABP last year.
Design involved a new long term car park with covered walkways along airport road, a new roundabout and entrance from existing road next to the new terminal, with bus bays and set down points outside the departure lounge. Purpose built car-hire compounds would also be built on current overflow car park.
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Thanks Sawtooth, that's interesting - having a new access route closer to the terminal makes sense alright, as things stand you do a bit of an unnecessary loop to go down to the existing roundabout and back to the car park entrance.
Had a look at the UK pax numbers for January there. There were only routes to Dublin and the UK last month from Knock (hopefully that's the last month for some time or even ever where that is the case) so you can get a fair idea of how the airport has done in terms of passengers.
All UK routes are up apart from Bristol which has surprisingly dropped. You'd expect gains across the board given the weather disruption last January so the Bristol number is a bit disappointing. However the Leeds route didn't exist last year so there's a boost to the figures there.
All in all the final total will be a lot closer to the 2009 number (32,000) than the 2010 number (26,500) which is a decent start to the year. You would hope for big gains from April onwards as the new routes and seasonal routes kick in.
Tenerife started today with the other scheduled routes commencing over the next two months:
16 Feb Tenerife South
22 Feb Gran Canaria
1 Mar Faro
28 Mar Alicante
29 Mar Barcelona-Reus
7 Apr Lanzarote
19 Apr Edinburgh
Had a look at the UK pax numbers for January there. There were only routes to Dublin and the UK last month from Knock (hopefully that's the last month for some time or even ever where that is the case) so you can get a fair idea of how the airport has done in terms of passengers.
All UK routes are up apart from Bristol which has surprisingly dropped. You'd expect gains across the board given the weather disruption last January so the Bristol number is a bit disappointing. However the Leeds route didn't exist last year so there's a boost to the figures there.
All in all the final total will be a lot closer to the 2009 number (32,000) than the 2010 number (26,500) which is a decent start to the year. You would hope for big gains from April onwards as the new routes and seasonal routes kick in.
Tenerife started today with the other scheduled routes commencing over the next two months:
16 Feb Tenerife South
22 Feb Gran Canaria
1 Mar Faro
28 Mar Alicante
29 Mar Barcelona-Reus
7 Apr Lanzarote
19 Apr Edinburgh
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While the added routes and the encouraging passenger numbers are a bonus for the airport, in 2009 and 2010 the airport received a opex subsidies. Are the passengers going through the airport delivering too low a yield to be sustainable? Given the volatility of the main airline at the airport I'd take any new route with a pinch of salt.
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Well every passenger over the age of 12 that departs from Knock adds €10 to the kitty regardless of what airline they fly with. In 2008 no subsidies were needed that I am aware of and the forecasts are that the 08 record pax number (629k) can be exceeded this year. Hopefully if that is the case the airport won't need a subsidy.
As for the main operator, Knock isn't a Cork or a Shannon so they have got to grasp every route they can get. I suspect Ryanair get a great deal at Knock and as such are unlikely to up sticks any time soon, although this years expansive continental schedule as listed above may not be sustainable longer term.
The presence of BMIBaby, Aer Lingus and soon flybe at the airport would give you hope that if Ryanair were ever to leave, much of the capacity would be taken up by other airlines. I don't think there is a need to fear expansion, the fact that it is holding steady in the midst of an economic crisis when other airports numbers are crashing shows that there is a lot of potential at Knock.
As for the main operator, Knock isn't a Cork or a Shannon so they have got to grasp every route they can get. I suspect Ryanair get a great deal at Knock and as such are unlikely to up sticks any time soon, although this years expansive continental schedule as listed above may not be sustainable longer term.
The presence of BMIBaby, Aer Lingus and soon flybe at the airport would give you hope that if Ryanair were ever to leave, much of the capacity would be taken up by other airlines. I don't think there is a need to fear expansion, the fact that it is holding steady in the midst of an economic crisis when other airports numbers are crashing shows that there is a lot of potential at Knock.
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Government have rowed back on OPEX subsidy cut at GWY so I'd imagine there will be funding if needed at NOC. PSO loss mainly damages income from out of hours services, not sure how flexible FR will be if operating hours are reduced?
I used the DUB service last week, about 10 pax each way. All business or connecting passengers who will miss the service none the less.
Still hoping for better London schedule. Any chance of a Friday evening service, I see FR have added extra STN rotations from LDY?
I used the DUB service last week, about 10 pax each way. All business or connecting passengers who will miss the service none the less.
Still hoping for better London schedule. Any chance of a Friday evening service, I see FR have added extra STN rotations from LDY?
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Quato Kinocker {I suspect Ryanair get a great deal at Knock and as such are unlikely to up sticks any time soon, although this years expansive continental schedule as listed above may not be sustainable longer term.}
Knock and ryanair will stay togeather while Knock does not open a base there as you are into contract and pax number which is alright while every thing is going good but if numbers drop on a route then the question start to be asked . So keep going the way ye are and everything should be alright
Knock and ryanair will stay togeather while Knock does not open a base there as you are into contract and pax number which is alright while every thing is going good but if numbers drop on a route then the question start to be asked . So keep going the way ye are and everything should be alright