IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK
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2008 figures
GWY - AGP
May - June - July - Aug - Sep - Oct - Total
315 - 282 - 341 - 369 - 368 - 55 - 1739
WAT - AGP
May - June - July - August - Sept - Oct - Total
670 - 907 - 1141 - 1033 - 1001 - 115 - 4867
A big difference.
GWY and Knock couldn't both have EDI.
Aer Arann operate it around 5 weekly from GWY
Ryanair wouldn't be able to fill 189 seats three times a week. It a total of 567 weekly seats. Aer Arann have around 250 seats on the route.
Is there a market for 817 seats per week on EDI flights.
Knock also had Glasgow with BmiBaby. Was there any reason for this been axed.
GWY - AGP
May - June - July - Aug - Sep - Oct - Total
315 - 282 - 341 - 369 - 368 - 55 - 1739
WAT - AGP
May - June - July - August - Sept - Oct - Total
670 - 907 - 1141 - 1033 - 1001 - 115 - 4867
A big difference.
GWY and Knock couldn't both have EDI.
Aer Arann operate it around 5 weekly from GWY
Ryanair wouldn't be able to fill 189 seats three times a week. It a total of 567 weekly seats. Aer Arann have around 250 seats on the route.
Is there a market for 817 seats per week on EDI flights.
Knock also had Glasgow with BmiBaby. Was there any reason for this been axed.
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"GWY and Knock couldn't both have EDI"
Never stopped FR before, if it suits them to say they moved EDI from SNN to NOC because of costs then competing with RE is no different at NOC than SNN, both are 1 hour from GWY. RE numbers have been falling on the GWY route, I think FR can draw in the numbers if timed well, they seem to manage on BRS/EMA/LBA/LPL.
AGP/ACE look possible next year, I heard the ACE charters were all sold out early this year. It would be dangerous for NOC if FR clear all the charters out though.
Never stopped FR before, if it suits them to say they moved EDI from SNN to NOC because of costs then competing with RE is no different at NOC than SNN, both are 1 hour from GWY. RE numbers have been falling on the GWY route, I think FR can draw in the numbers if timed well, they seem to manage on BRS/EMA/LBA/LPL.
AGP/ACE look possible next year, I heard the ACE charters were all sold out early this year. It would be dangerous for NOC if FR clear all the charters out though.
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Strategic Airlines EF825 from lourdes to Ire west Knock showing on arrivals board as landing @ 16 49pm and dept @ 17 39 pm but on R.T.E aertel dulin arrivals showing not arriving un til 6 55 am tomorrow morning so where is the flight in the mean time?
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Hi Ireland West Airport Knock is about to change all of that next Friday when it hosts Europe’s first ever airport open evening. What idea of this is it more flight to europe going announce
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Strategic Airlines EF825 from lourdes to Ire west Knock showing on arrivals board as landing @ 16 49pm and dept @ 17 39 pm but on R.T.E aertel dulin arrivals showing not arriving un til 6 55 am tomorrow morning so where is the flight in the mean time?
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Just looking at the arrival & departure board for Ire west Knock and its showing 28 busiest movement for tomorrow.
Is this there day to date and also are they on target fot the busiest month todate?
Is this there day to date and also are they on target fot the busiest month todate?
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I count 24 (my Aunt's flying from there tomorrow).
Whether it's their busiest day or not..... can't be far off (at least since the beginning of the downturn).
Impressive stuff in the current climate.
Whether it's their busiest day or not..... can't be far off (at least since the beginning of the downturn).
Impressive stuff in the current climate.
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is that plus your Aunt, if so is she on a broomstick ?
or is she a lucky Lady on The Titan 767, that Stelios hates so much, and all others love, which is doing two Lourdes flights.
good day for the spotters.
or is she a lucky Lady on The Titan 767, that Stelios hates so much, and all others love, which is doing two Lourdes flights.
good day for the spotters.
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Flew with The Titan 767 from lde to noc in 2008 nices flight ever were 1000 ft in the air watching the sun set and i though we were still on ground getting for take off.
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I think if FR did EDI Mon, WEd, Fri it would kill the Galway route as has proven before Aer Arann cant compete with the jet access and the fares on offer from Ryanair, €0 one way versus an average of €49 one way proven in the past that when FR launces a new route from NOC or SNN Galway loses one examples include BRS Galway lost Cardiff. Especially given Aer Aranns current difficulties very hard for Galway to compete with FR
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This has been the exact problem for Aer Arann
They claim to be in difficulties now as a result of volcanic ash but reality is that losses have been mounting for last couple of years and I would say it all started to sour when Ryanair challenged them head on between Dublin and Cork, they waged a long battle in which neither made any money I would imagine Aer Arann lost stacks.
Love them or hate them, but Ryanair has been very predatory towards Aer Arann and at some point it was a relentless string of attempts by Ryanair to wipe them out.
Cork - Dublin
Dublin - Kerry (gaining PSO on reduced grant)(also pitching PSOs lower €)
When Gill Air went bust Aer Arann were to commence Dublin Newcastle but Ryanair jumped in instantly.
Many routes ex Galway by Aer Arann were targeted by Ryanair at Shannon (also challenged Aer Arann services ex Cork) including from memory.... Edinburgh, Luton, Leeds/Bradford, Liverpool (RE did GWY LPL at some point?), Bristol. Ryanair even did Dublin Shannon which may arguably been some challenge to Dublin Kerry and Dublin Galway.
Moreover, I feel a combination of the Challenge by Ryanair on DUB ORK & Loss of KIR route (70% of problem), General downturn in domestic flying in Ireland (20% of their problems and finally the volcanic ash issue.
It is ironic that when Ryanair were on their knees in the early 90s/kate 80s when they went to the minister for transport, they were given a life line by him that gave them protection from Aer Lingus by giving exclusivity on Dublin to LPL, MUC & STN.
Shame the same dispensations couldnt have been made for RE in the past.
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This has been the exact problem for Aer Arann
They claim to be in difficulties now as a result of volcanic ash but reality is that losses have been mounting for last couple of years and I would say it all started to sour when Ryanair challenged them head on between Dublin and Cork, they waged a long battle in which neither made any money I would imagine Aer Arann lost stacks.
Love them or hate them, but Ryanair has been very predatory towards Aer Arann and at some point it was a relentless string of attempts by Ryanair to wipe them out.
Cork - Dublin
Dublin - Kerry (gaining PSO on reduced grant)(also pitching PSOs lower €)
When Gill Air went bust Aer Arann were to commence Dublin Newcastle but Ryanair jumped in instantly.
Many routes ex Galway by Aer Arann were targeted by Ryanair at Shannon (also challenged Aer Arann services ex Cork) including from memory.... Edinburgh, Luton, Leeds/Bradford, Liverpool (RE did GWY LPL at some point?), Bristol. Ryanair even did Dublin Shannon which may arguably been some challenge to Dublin Kerry and Dublin Galway.
Moreover, I feel a combination of the Challenge by Ryanair on DUB ORK & Loss of KIR route (70% of problem), General downturn in domestic flying in Ireland (20% of their problems and finally the volcanic ash issue.
It is ironic that when Ryanair were on their knees in the early 90s/kate 80s when they went to the minister for transport, they were given a life line by him that gave them protection from Aer Lingus by giving exclusivity on Dublin to LPL, MUC & STN.
Shame the same dispensations couldnt have been made for RE in the past.
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I found it very difficult to get parking at the airport on two occasions this month with only overflow space due to holiday parking. The new departure terminal area was left with poor land-side access for the last 2 years after opening due to planning objections by the same appellants who delayed the previous projects.
This will hopefully improve as An Bord Pleanála last week granted approval for the development which will include new access roundabout/road with more convenient terminal set-down and bus parking, longterm car-parking with covered walkway access, dedicated car hire compounds, an extension to the fire station for air-side equipment storage and landscaping.
This is would complete the first part of the master plan developed by Scott Wilson design group, presumably subject to current funding reality. It should also free up the area required for the delayed apron extension.
This will hopefully improve as An Bord Pleanála last week granted approval for the development which will include new access roundabout/road with more convenient terminal set-down and bus parking, longterm car-parking with covered walkway access, dedicated car hire compounds, an extension to the fire station for air-side equipment storage and landscaping.
This is would complete the first part of the master plan developed by Scott Wilson design group, presumably subject to current funding reality. It should also free up the area required for the delayed apron extension.
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As of yet there are no winter sun or ski flights.
Flights to Faro next summer are to be reduced from a A320 to a B733. That's 32 seats less every week but FR will most lightly increase flights.
Flights to Faro next summer are to be reduced from a A320 to a B733. That's 32 seats less every week but FR will most lightly increase flights.