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Old 4th Feb 2010, 22:55
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The runway was closed with snow for a few hours on Monday. But BMI cancellations into ORK/NOC do see a bit random these days.
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I'd prefer ORK myself fivejuliet but i suppose it's all about preference. ORK has a bit more variety.
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Old 5th Feb 2010, 23:34
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Anybody any ideas as to where this emminent new route will be in France or Germany.

Will it be a ryanair or maybe it will be an inbound charter series from Germany operated by Lufthansa like they do into Newquay and Inveness during the summer months.
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Old 6th Feb 2010, 18:39
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I don't know why Irish tour operators do not offer any holiday charter flights to Turkish resorts from Knock, as these are actually increasing their popularity amongst local holidaymakers...instead of always sticking to the same traditional sun spots such as Algarve or Spanish islands/costas..that now are becoming to be well-served by low-cost airlines..

People need to be offered something new. Don't you think so?
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Old 6th Feb 2010, 18:59
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I think Turkey would be a very popular destination from NOC but the Turkish government heavily restrict who operates charter flights. The operator must have an AOC from the country it travels ( normally). So it has to be EI-reg or TC-reg. Some Airlines had issues with this last year.
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Old 6th Feb 2010, 21:11
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I don't think there are any EI- reg charter operators left these days.

Im not sure why Turkey is so poorly served from Ireland, it is very popular from the UK, although the Euro may have something to do with that. My guess is the ability to sell Spain/Portugal/Islas pretty easily compared to the risk of not selling seats to Turkey are putting operators off.

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Old 6th Feb 2010, 21:20
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Izmir & bodrum and Dalaman are very popular from Ireland but mostly only served by Onur Air from DUB.

Last years Izmir had a load factor of 96% which is pretty good considering the " recession"

I believe Air contractors will have an EI-reg pax 737 out of Ireland this year. Gone are the Transaer & Eirjet days
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Old 21st Feb 2010, 14:06
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Just looking at Ireland west airport Knock and all flights are being dirverted to shannon. I know it mat be fog but the installation of the Category II Instrument Landing System should have stop all this or is ir not working or is there another sytem wanted instead?
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Old 21st Feb 2010, 14:57
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EIKN 211530Z 12003KT 0050 R27/0075 FZFG BKN001 BKN005 M01/M01

With conditions like this you would need CAT 3 on the ground and in the aircraft. Not likely I think.
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Old 22nd Feb 2010, 21:57
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To convert VIS to RVR, multiply by 1.5(daytime) or 2.0(night) {I may have those two backways but anyway} .......

metar vis 50m x 1.5 = 75m RVR

Therefore CAT lll would be necessary
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Old 22nd Feb 2010, 22:31
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What would CAT 111 cost to install now that CAT 11 is already there at Ireland west airport Knock?
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Old 22nd Feb 2010, 23:09
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Quote airnoc "What would CAT 111 cost to install now that CAT 11 is already there at Ireland west airport Knock?"

ILS operations require a whole series of systems working together: runway surveillance systems, taxiway/guidance/approach lighting, fire cover, staffing (ATC operation and systems testing/monitoring/training, runway inspection and security), insurance and legal requirements, along with the obvious ILS antenna, backup and power systems. I believe EIKN has CAT II approach lighting which would need upgrading along with accompanied civil works which would be a significant cost to start with.

That's only the ground element, the airline would need to have CAT III equipped and serviced aircraft as well as regularly ILS rated crew. RE don't rate their pilots, WW rarely perform a CAT II landing and I'd imagine Ryanair probably don't have to do many CAT IIIs so may not pay for rating pilots. All in all this means CAT III is very rarely justified at small airports, and often not available at many larger. Even DUB had many weather diversions this week.

The CAT II upgrade seems to have addressed many of NOCs low cloud base diversions with very few in 09. This winter has been historically long and cold leading to ice and freezing fog which along with snow closing airports in the UK means cancellations are inevitable.
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Old 23rd Feb 2010, 08:59
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Sawtooth. Thank you from airnoc.
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WW & FR are both CATIIIA capable airlines, crews are fully trained up and the aircraft are CATIIIA.

Unfortunately in this case this RVR looks too low to even do a CATIIIA which requires an RVR of 200m.
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Old 23rd Feb 2010, 10:04
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Thanks FlyboyUK, I was going on the fact that WW won't do CAT II at ORK, but that could be down to the terrain issues.
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Yes there's a specific issue with CATII at ORK, I can't quite remember, but two airlines I have worked for haven't allowed it.
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Old 23rd Feb 2010, 21:23
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I see Ryanair are making faro 3 weekly from end of june ,bookings must be good for them to add the extra flight.I also heard that a Ryanair Edinburgh route is looking quite likely from Knock in the not too distant future.
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Old 3rd Mar 2010, 19:00
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Heard to on midwestradio Ryanair are making faro 4 weekly from end of june ,bookings must be good for them to add the extra flight. Could be soon daily
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Old 24th Mar 2010, 13:38
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Two new routes from knock tomorrow faro and leeds/bradford.
Is this the first time two new routes were launch in one day.
Good to see airport doing well
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Old 24th Mar 2010, 20:57
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New routes?

I didn't think they were new routes from Knock.
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