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Ah catflaps at last we now know why you dont want MSE to succeed, you dont want noisy aeroplanes flying over your house at 1000ft
Also I would remind you that it was Planestation ( the parent company) that had its bank funding withdrwn and therefore it was Planestation who took EUjet down.
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Also I would remind you that it was Planestation ( the parent company) that had its bank funding withdrwn and therefore it was Planestation who took EUjet down.
Mdis
Thats what I been trying to say but they wont belive us
I was in Ramsgate when a DAS Air Cargo and an MK flew over with in 10 seconds it was silent I people are moaning about that how sad and MSE becomeing a massive freight depot would be brilliant
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I think that's being rather selective with the truth.
Yes, Planestation lost the support of their bank.
Why? Because their debts were growing week in, week out, and were in danger of eroding the limited asset base.
Why? Err, because they had a subsidiary called EUjet who were losing money hand over fist.
This is NOT a reflection on the quality of the people who worked for EUjet, just the unfortunate truth. If EUjet were the success some people imagined, they would actually have propped Planestation up. As it was, they dragged it down. To say that the bank withdrew support from Planestation may be true, but is a technicality in the greater scheme of things.
Yes, Planestation lost the support of their bank.
Why? Because their debts were growing week in, week out, and were in danger of eroding the limited asset base.
Why? Err, because they had a subsidiary called EUjet who were losing money hand over fist.
This is NOT a reflection on the quality of the people who worked for EUjet, just the unfortunate truth. If EUjet were the success some people imagined, they would actually have propped Planestation up. As it was, they dragged it down. To say that the bank withdrew support from Planestation may be true, but is a technicality in the greater scheme of things.
Andy
I not 100% sure of the facts because I dont work for the banks and I was not in Planestation's senior management. However, even before EUjet the group must have been in trouble, they were involved in so many "schemes and projects" that they lacked focus.
Surely a Plc with some sharp management couldn't have been hoodwinked into buying an airline without first conducting a due diligence exercise. I am not saying that the failure was totally down to Planestation but I do remember a post from someone who sounded like they knew what they talking about suggesting that EUjet was close to breaking even.
Please tell me what happened to the £30 Million raised in the City which was meant to guarantee the operation for 2 years. It was all gone in 2 months!! This was not the fault of EUjet but more to do with the mis management of Planestation.
Having said all of this the real issue is whether or not MSE has a future as a regional airport. I personally think it has but lets wait and see. I dont know what the weather has been like in Ramsgate today but if its been clear a switched on operator would have contacted BA and told them to bring a couple of aircraft in and bus some pax from LHR. Just a thought!!
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MDIS,
Many thanks for a courteous and reasoned response.
You are quite correct. Planestation, even before EUjet, was a debt ridden, loss making company. And I agree with every word you say about it's lack of focus. Having said that, for all it's many faults, it's own overheads were directed to nothing more than pursuit of real estate projects and managing unused airports, and it had managed to bumble along like that for a number of years. Indeed, in their last CEO, Martin May, they had a man who had cut back on their wilder ambitions. Definitely the wrong man for the job, but still, with a leaner and lower cost parent company, a successful EUjet should not have been a millstone round it's neck.
Many people have claimed, on this and previous PPruNe MSE threads, to have had some kind of insider knowledge of EUjet's finances and / or operations. I certainly don't, so all I can go by are the CAA figures, which even in the last months of EUjet's life struggled to stay above 40% loading. Were they close to breakeven? Again, I don't know, but the whole shebang went bust in the month of July, I believe. If they were only "close" to breakeven in the peak summer months, what was going to happen come September, October, November..... Those who claim EUjet as a success have never been able to explain why a) it wasn't purchased as a going concern from the administrator, or b) why others haven't stepped in to operate individual routes.
I do believe that MSE has a future, and I think Infratil are a shrewd outfit who are committed to operating it as an airport. However, I'm not convinced it has great passenger potential other than a bit of charter business - my feeling is that freight is the niche that Manston is well placed to exploit.
Many thanks for a courteous and reasoned response.
You are quite correct. Planestation, even before EUjet, was a debt ridden, loss making company. And I agree with every word you say about it's lack of focus. Having said that, for all it's many faults, it's own overheads were directed to nothing more than pursuit of real estate projects and managing unused airports, and it had managed to bumble along like that for a number of years. Indeed, in their last CEO, Martin May, they had a man who had cut back on their wilder ambitions. Definitely the wrong man for the job, but still, with a leaner and lower cost parent company, a successful EUjet should not have been a millstone round it's neck.
Many people have claimed, on this and previous PPruNe MSE threads, to have had some kind of insider knowledge of EUjet's finances and / or operations. I certainly don't, so all I can go by are the CAA figures, which even in the last months of EUjet's life struggled to stay above 40% loading. Were they close to breakeven? Again, I don't know, but the whole shebang went bust in the month of July, I believe. If they were only "close" to breakeven in the peak summer months, what was going to happen come September, October, November..... Those who claim EUjet as a success have never been able to explain why a) it wasn't purchased as a going concern from the administrator, or b) why others haven't stepped in to operate individual routes.
I do believe that MSE has a future, and I think Infratil are a shrewd outfit who are committed to operating it as an airport. However, I'm not convinced it has great passenger potential other than a bit of charter business - my feeling is that freight is the niche that Manston is well placed to exploit.
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Oasishongkong 747 diverted in this morning. They crew train here regularly so it was familiar with Manston.
Several bizjet movements too, no fog all day at Manston. KOSMOS, MK and Egyptair all ran problem free today.
Oasishongkong 747 diverted in this morning. They crew train here regularly so it was familiar with Manston.
Several bizjet movements too, no fog all day at Manston. KOSMOS, MK and Egyptair all ran problem free today.
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I agree with your points
Planestation was "bumbling along for years" perhaps someone said (MM perhaps) "enough bumbling along, lets go for Sh*t or bust" unfortunately it was the latter!!
johnrizzo2000 responded to EI-BUD suggesting that a dash 400 or ATR 42 operator could operate from MSE to say DUB, EDI, AMS and MAN. This would be a good start and once the pax experience MSE I am sure the regional network would expand.
Just to answer your point about why other operators havent jumped in to take over the routes. Infratil have been up front and have said that they will not entertain any operators until the airfield infrastructure is up to scratch. The last thing they need is for a new operator to start and then the lighting packs in. This can only be achieved if you have the money which Infratil obviously have.
What was the weather like in Manston today? If it was ok I wonder if anyone was switched on enough to ring BA and get a few aircraft into MSE and bus the pax in.
Many thanks for the sensible discussion.
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I agree with your points
Planestation was "bumbling along for years" perhaps someone said (MM perhaps) "enough bumbling along, lets go for Sh*t or bust" unfortunately it was the latter!!
johnrizzo2000 responded to EI-BUD suggesting that a dash 400 or ATR 42 operator could operate from MSE to say DUB, EDI, AMS and MAN. This would be a good start and once the pax experience MSE I am sure the regional network would expand.
Just to answer your point about why other operators havent jumped in to take over the routes. Infratil have been up front and have said that they will not entertain any operators until the airfield infrastructure is up to scratch. The last thing they need is for a new operator to start and then the lighting packs in. This can only be achieved if you have the money which Infratil obviously have.
What was the weather like in Manston today? If it was ok I wonder if anyone was switched on enough to ring BA and get a few aircraft into MSE and bus the pax in.
Many thanks for the sensible discussion.
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Your earlier response to my comments suggests that you have not read my posts properly. I would respectfully request that you read them carefully before responding.
Thank you,
deedave
Your earlier response to my comments suggests that you have not read my posts properly. I would respectfully request that you read them carefully before responding.
Thank you,
deedave
Several posts in the past have made reference to MSE being an airport capable of serving London and have based their hopes for scheduled pax services on this assumption.
Elsewhere on this forum SEN is reported to have yesterday received 67 additional re-routed or diverted inbound flights including BA, while it sounds as if MSE received a mere handful.
Surely that very fact puts MSE's potential as a 'London' airport into its proper prespective. London Southend - yes. London Manston - unrealistic.
Elsewhere on this forum SEN is reported to have yesterday received 67 additional re-routed or diverted inbound flights including BA, while it sounds as if MSE received a mere handful.
Surely that very fact puts MSE's potential as a 'London' airport into its proper prespective. London Southend - yes. London Manston - unrealistic.
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I agree with your comments entirely.
So many people who knock Manstons viability do so on the presumption that it wants to be a feeder for London. This is just not correct.
The 400,000 pax that flew with EUjet were not people who really wanted to be in London, they were people from Kent and Sussex, Surrey and South London who wanted to use a small regional airport. This is where MSE future lies not in being marketed by Ryanair as London.
My comments yesterday about haveing some diversions was only made after seeing the chaos at Heathrow. From what I saw of the passengers they would have been happy to travel anywhere to get home for Xmas.
Deedave
Not sure what you mean, please explain.
Mdis
I agree with your comments entirely.
So many people who knock Manstons viability do so on the presumption that it wants to be a feeder for London. This is just not correct.
The 400,000 pax that flew with EUjet were not people who really wanted to be in London, they were people from Kent and Sussex, Surrey and South London who wanted to use a small regional airport. This is where MSE future lies not in being marketed by Ryanair as London.
My comments yesterday about haveing some diversions was only made after seeing the chaos at Heathrow. From what I saw of the passengers they would have been happy to travel anywhere to get home for Xmas.
Deedave
Not sure what you mean, please explain.
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"Infratil are not going to spend 20m on the airports infrasture and sell it for non-aircraft use."
If it isn't paying as an airport they will most certainly sell it for non-aviation use. They are a business and they will want to get as much as they can for the site. Nobody can dictate that they have to keep it as an airport. You have to remember that it was up for sale barely a year ago. Infratil bought it for £17million. Why? Because nobody else wanted it, that's why. Presumably, other potential suitors recognized the limitations and shortcomings of the site. To now suggest that they will be queuing up to buy it at a far higher price is nonsensical.
If it isn't paying as an airport they will most certainly sell it for non-aviation use. They are a business and they will want to get as much as they can for the site. Nobody can dictate that they have to keep it as an airport. You have to remember that it was up for sale barely a year ago. Infratil bought it for £17million. Why? Because nobody else wanted it, that's why. Presumably, other potential suitors recognized the limitations and shortcomings of the site. To now suggest that they will be queuing up to buy it at a far higher price is nonsensical.
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Several posts in the past have made reference to MSE being an airport capable of serving London and have based their hopes for scheduled pax services on this assumption.
Elsewhere on this forum SEN is reported to have yesterday received 67 additional re-routed or diverted inbound flights including BA, while it sounds as if MSE received a mere handful.
Surely that very fact puts MSE's potential as a 'London' airport into its proper prespective. London Southend - yes. London Manston - unrealistic.
Elsewhere on this forum SEN is reported to have yesterday received 67 additional re-routed or diverted inbound flights including BA, while it sounds as if MSE received a mere handful.
Surely that very fact puts MSE's potential as a 'London' airport into its proper prespective. London Southend - yes. London Manston - unrealistic.
Sad really because they could have a made a few quid out of it, but it highlights the restrictions of using MSE at the moment and the need for a new B.F.I
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That is sad
would be great having all these BA A/C in whats B.F.I? Lets hope more Oasis hong kong 747 diverted into MSE
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That is sad
would be great having all these BA A/C in whats B.F.I? Lets hope more Oasis hong kong 747 diverted into MSE James
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Nope I still don't get it MDIS. You seem to want us to believe that EUjet was a roaring success but you won't accept that it lost shed-loads of money:
"Please tell me what happened to the £30 Million raised in the City which was meant to guarantee the operation for 2 years. It was all gone in 2 months!! This was not the fault of EUjet but more to do with the mis management of Planestation."
I'm not going to disagree with you about mismanagement at Planestation. However, that had been going on for years and the precariousness of their finances financial was well-known. For a start, the £30million you refer to was NOT raised to subsidise EUjet. It was raised to save the parent company. Most of the money was swallowed up by debts that the parent company had already amassed in buying and upgrading Manston, a mistake that Infratil is now repeating.
You say that the money was supposed to "guarantee the operation for two years." This presumed upon the goodwill of the banks, particularly HBOS. It was not in the gift of Planestation to offer guarantees when they were so heavily in debt. Who told you that there was a guarantee?
What you can't get away from is the fact that HBOS pulled the plug after looking at all of the figures. They knew that their chances of recouping the money they'd lent were reducing day-on-day and they are a business. So, they pulled the plug and they got their money back.
We can safely assume that if EUjet's finances had looked as rosy as you suggest they might have been persuaded to give it a bit longer. However, the first rule of running an airline states that if you are giving seats away, you won't make any money. The second rule states that if you use the wrong planes on a route you won't make any money. The third rule states that if you pick the wrong routes you won't make any money. The fourth rule states that if you overstretch yourself you'll go bust in a big way. The fifth rule is that only a complete clod could disobey the first four rules, go bust, and still think it had all been a great success.
"Please tell me what happened to the £30 Million raised in the City which was meant to guarantee the operation for 2 years. It was all gone in 2 months!! This was not the fault of EUjet but more to do with the mis management of Planestation."
I'm not going to disagree with you about mismanagement at Planestation. However, that had been going on for years and the precariousness of their finances financial was well-known. For a start, the £30million you refer to was NOT raised to subsidise EUjet. It was raised to save the parent company. Most of the money was swallowed up by debts that the parent company had already amassed in buying and upgrading Manston, a mistake that Infratil is now repeating.
You say that the money was supposed to "guarantee the operation for two years." This presumed upon the goodwill of the banks, particularly HBOS. It was not in the gift of Planestation to offer guarantees when they were so heavily in debt. Who told you that there was a guarantee?
What you can't get away from is the fact that HBOS pulled the plug after looking at all of the figures. They knew that their chances of recouping the money they'd lent were reducing day-on-day and they are a business. So, they pulled the plug and they got their money back.
We can safely assume that if EUjet's finances had looked as rosy as you suggest they might have been persuaded to give it a bit longer. However, the first rule of running an airline states that if you are giving seats away, you won't make any money. The second rule states that if you use the wrong planes on a route you won't make any money. The third rule states that if you pick the wrong routes you won't make any money. The fourth rule states that if you overstretch yourself you'll go bust in a big way. The fifth rule is that only a complete clod could disobey the first four rules, go bust, and still think it had all been a great success.
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(Please tell me what happened to the £30 Million raised in the City which was meant to guarantee the operation for 2 years. It was all gone in 2 months!! This was not the fault of EUjet but more to do with the mis management of Planestation.")
I understand that the money was never spent, the plug was pulled dispite having this extra funding.
Eujet did not spend the money banked on booked flights, had thay, things could have been a little diferent.
The upside was that I think most peple got there money back I did. Had farepack done this the peple would have got there money back.
I think that thats one thing Eujet lot done right.
I understand that the money was never spent, the plug was pulled dispite having this extra funding.
Eujet did not spend the money banked on booked flights, had thay, things could have been a little diferent.
The upside was that I think most peple got there money back I did. Had farepack done this the peple would have got there money back.
I think that thats one thing Eujet lot done right.
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Deedave to MDIS - "Your earlier response to my comments suggests you have not read my posts properly"
MDIS to deedave - "Not sure what you mean. Please explain"
Okey Doke
18 Dec MDIS - "I note deedave's comments about the accident on the M2 which closed it"
- These comments were actually made by someone else.
18 Dec MDIS - "You also ask why there was no announcement on pax figures for November...there weren't any."
- No I didn't. I asked where the November traffic report was. In Manston's case this refers to freight. They must have heard me because they produced it next day.
19 Dec MDIS - "Do you really believe that LYX will have the 50 double dailies that you so require"
- No I don't. On 17 Dec, I said I require 50+ double dailies. I stated quite clearly that for me, only LONDON can supply this.
19 Dec MDIS - "Obviously the passenger loads from (Ashford) aren't as lucrative as you suggest"
- I have made no claims for "lucrative-ness" at Ashford/LYX. However, I would bet a very large sum of money that whatever prospects Lydd has, Manston's are substantially worse, and - "This town ain't big enough for both of 'em."
I can elaborate on this if you wish.
19 Dec MDIS - "I notice you had no response to my Maidstone scenario"
- If your Maidstone scenario was directed at me, I was unaware of it, still less that a reply was required.
To be honest old chum, the number of blokes who have popped up on various forums banging on about how fast or slow this and that road is, and making miniscule time calculations around check-in times etc - has become a bit dull.
Also, the factors affecting an airport's prospects are far more complex - cultural identity, disposable income, age demographic of population, to name but a few.
The only thing I could say is that if I lived in Maidstone I personally wouldn't use MSE because it will never offer the same frequency and variety of business destinations as LGW and LHR.
PS - I wouldn't go around saying BAA have a minimum 40 mins baggage reclaim time if I were you.
It isn't true, and some of these companies can be very touchy.
You wouldn't want them to sue you!
MDIS to deedave - "Not sure what you mean. Please explain"
Okey Doke
18 Dec MDIS - "I note deedave's comments about the accident on the M2 which closed it"
- These comments were actually made by someone else.
18 Dec MDIS - "You also ask why there was no announcement on pax figures for November...there weren't any."
- No I didn't. I asked where the November traffic report was. In Manston's case this refers to freight. They must have heard me because they produced it next day.
19 Dec MDIS - "Do you really believe that LYX will have the 50 double dailies that you so require"
- No I don't. On 17 Dec, I said I require 50+ double dailies. I stated quite clearly that for me, only LONDON can supply this.
19 Dec MDIS - "Obviously the passenger loads from (Ashford) aren't as lucrative as you suggest"
- I have made no claims for "lucrative-ness" at Ashford/LYX. However, I would bet a very large sum of money that whatever prospects Lydd has, Manston's are substantially worse, and - "This town ain't big enough for both of 'em."
I can elaborate on this if you wish.
19 Dec MDIS - "I notice you had no response to my Maidstone scenario"
- If your Maidstone scenario was directed at me, I was unaware of it, still less that a reply was required.
To be honest old chum, the number of blokes who have popped up on various forums banging on about how fast or slow this and that road is, and making miniscule time calculations around check-in times etc - has become a bit dull.
Also, the factors affecting an airport's prospects are far more complex - cultural identity, disposable income, age demographic of population, to name but a few.
The only thing I could say is that if I lived in Maidstone I personally wouldn't use MSE because it will never offer the same frequency and variety of business destinations as LGW and LHR.
PS - I wouldn't go around saying BAA have a minimum 40 mins baggage reclaim time if I were you.
It isn't true, and some of these companies can be very touchy.
You wouldn't want them to sue you!
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Thank you for pointing out whwre I am going wrong. Obviously we are on different wavelengths.
You are are correct on your first two points.
You have suggested that you have msde no claims about the lucrative ness of Ashford> Do any of these quotes ring a bell?
"Ashford is an established London commuter town, with a fast train link(soon to be faster) full of wealthy looking suity types"
"....but with the area's cultural identity linked to the metropolis, it sure as hell has a better chance than dear old baseball-cap Thanet"
I would disagree with you point regarding living in Maidstone. SOU does not offer the same frequency of business destinations as LHR or LGW but it is a successful regional airport. I have never suggetsted that MSE will offer all of the destinations and frequencies that you require, but are you really saying that if the same flight and price was available from MSE as you could get at one of the London airports you still wouldn't fly from MSE?
BAA could not sue me regarding their 40 minute baggage reclaim because it is a quoted figure. When I had been waiting 30 minutes for my bags I spoke to the handling agent and I was shown in writing that their target is 40 minutes and that will be the minimum before you can complain. I think it is also staed at the reclaim belts. Next time you are at your favourite London cattle market ask the handling agents about baggage reclaim times.
catflaps
No I dont want you to believe that EUjet was a roaring success, I just want a little balance to your obvious anti MSE campaign. You have to remember this was the first year of operation and if you can show me any airline that has made money in year 1 I would be most impressed
Neither you nor deedave like to hear the other side of the argument. You dont have the inside information any more than the rest of us but I know more about the workings of EUjet than either of you.
Mdis
PS Happy Christmas
Thank you for pointing out whwre I am going wrong. Obviously we are on different wavelengths.
You are are correct on your first two points.
You have suggested that you have msde no claims about the lucrative ness of Ashford> Do any of these quotes ring a bell?
"Ashford is an established London commuter town, with a fast train link(soon to be faster) full of wealthy looking suity types"
"....but with the area's cultural identity linked to the metropolis, it sure as hell has a better chance than dear old baseball-cap Thanet"
I would disagree with you point regarding living in Maidstone. SOU does not offer the same frequency of business destinations as LHR or LGW but it is a successful regional airport. I have never suggetsted that MSE will offer all of the destinations and frequencies that you require, but are you really saying that if the same flight and price was available from MSE as you could get at one of the London airports you still wouldn't fly from MSE?
BAA could not sue me regarding their 40 minute baggage reclaim because it is a quoted figure. When I had been waiting 30 minutes for my bags I spoke to the handling agent and I was shown in writing that their target is 40 minutes and that will be the minimum before you can complain. I think it is also staed at the reclaim belts. Next time you are at your favourite London cattle market ask the handling agents about baggage reclaim times.
catflaps
No I dont want you to believe that EUjet was a roaring success, I just want a little balance to your obvious anti MSE campaign. You have to remember this was the first year of operation and if you can show me any airline that has made money in year 1 I would be most impressed
Neither you nor deedave like to hear the other side of the argument. You dont have the inside information any more than the rest of us but I know more about the workings of EUjet than either of you.
Mdis
PS Happy Christmas
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Sorry to continue this (briefly), but the debate must be accurate if it is to be worthwhile.
I have taken conscious and deliberate pains to make no claims for Lydd in absolute terms.
(This is why I said "I have no idea if Lydd has a future as a commercial pax airport")
Any comment I make on Lydd is relative to MSE, and I believe vigorously that LYX is better placed to attract pax than MSE.
Regarding Maidstone - If I lived there I would not complicate matters by changing airports unnecessarily. Travel is a necessity more than a pleasure, and I like to keep things simple.
No, of course BAA won't sue you - that was a gag.
But your suggestion that BAA baggage reclaim takes a minimum 40 mins is simply wrong.
I always get mine in much less.
And a merry Christmas to you as well !!
Sorry to continue this (briefly), but the debate must be accurate if it is to be worthwhile.
I have taken conscious and deliberate pains to make no claims for Lydd in absolute terms.
(This is why I said "I have no idea if Lydd has a future as a commercial pax airport")
Any comment I make on Lydd is relative to MSE, and I believe vigorously that LYX is better placed to attract pax than MSE.
Regarding Maidstone - If I lived there I would not complicate matters by changing airports unnecessarily. Travel is a necessity more than a pleasure, and I like to keep things simple.
No, of course BAA won't sue you - that was a gag.
But your suggestion that BAA baggage reclaim takes a minimum 40 mins is simply wrong.
I always get mine in much less.
And a merry Christmas to you as well !!
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The 40 mins is obviously a failsafe before which you can't complain. Probably an ISO 9002 target.
If, and its a big if, MSE gets going with a limited route network, give it a chance
Have a great Xmas.
Mdis
The 40 mins is obviously a failsafe before which you can't complain. Probably an ISO 9002 target.
If, and its a big if, MSE gets going with a limited route network, give it a chance
Have a great Xmas.
Mdis
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Herene Bay makes the following claim wrt EUjet:
"The upside was that I think most peple got there money back"
Can you substantiate this claim? I'm assuming you are talking about the ones who had booked tickets but hadn't flown. Don't forget to include in your calculations the thousands who were abroad on the day EUjet collapsed. I know many who had to pay other airlines to bring them back to Gatwick, and then had to pay a lot of money to get back to Manston to retrieve their vehicles. They didn't get a penny and they will be most upset to read your flippant remarks. Read the CAA report into the collapse. It isn't complimentary. And it's quite clear that the collapse has damaged Manston's credibility.
"The upside was that I think most peple got there money back"
Can you substantiate this claim? I'm assuming you are talking about the ones who had booked tickets but hadn't flown. Don't forget to include in your calculations the thousands who were abroad on the day EUjet collapsed. I know many who had to pay other airlines to bring them back to Gatwick, and then had to pay a lot of money to get back to Manston to retrieve their vehicles. They didn't get a penny and they will be most upset to read your flippant remarks. Read the CAA report into the collapse. It isn't complimentary. And it's quite clear that the collapse has damaged Manston's credibility.
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MSE were asked to handle around 3000 pax from B.A yesterday, but refused due to not having enough fuel to service the diverts without jeopardising MK and Egypt.
Sad really because they could have a made a few quid out of it, but it highlights the restrictions of using MSE at the moment and the need for a new B.F.I
Sad really because they could have a made a few quid out of it, but it highlights the restrictions of using MSE at the moment and the need for a new B.F.I
If, as has been posted, Infratrail have been turning away commercial operators because the sirport infrastructure isn't quite up to scratch is not only foolhardy in the extreme, but shows the complete ineptness of the Airport Operator.
Airlines nominate diversion airfields to cater for just such eventualities.
At the present rate, Manston is doomed and, taking a hard nosed commercial view of the hopeless way it is being run, it is destined for housing and industrial estate use.