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Niknak
I cant believe that you are suggesting that MSE should hold enough fuel in stock to service 20 737’s just in case the London airports suffer weather problems for 3 days.
I am really glad Infratil are in charge of the finances at MSE and not you.
Mdis
I cant believe that you are suggesting that MSE should hold enough fuel in stock to service 20 737’s just in case the London airports suffer weather problems for 3 days.
I am really glad Infratil are in charge of the finances at MSE and not you.
Mdis
Southend seemed to manage very well last Thursday when they reportedly received over 60 additional inbounds. They're not exactly geared up for that sort of influx either and certainly wouldn't have been expecting it.
Surely MSE holds reasonable fuel stocks to cater for possible supply disruptions. If I was still an Ops Director I would think pretty poorly of an airfield that only had sufficient for its planned traffic and rebuffed my approaches on that basis. Perhaps that story isn't completely accurate and anyway, didn't MSE open up especially early one day a month or so ago in anticipation of diversions from the London area airports?
Surely MSE holds reasonable fuel stocks to cater for possible supply disruptions. If I was still an Ops Director I would think pretty poorly of an airfield that only had sufficient for its planned traffic and rebuffed my approaches on that basis. Perhaps that story isn't completely accurate and anyway, didn't MSE open up especially early one day a month or so ago in anticipation of diversions from the London area airports?
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Well said Expressflight.
It is clear that MDIS and DTUP have no idea when it comes to running airports or the airline industry at all.
Neither, on the face of it, if what has been posted is correct, do the operators and management of Manston.
It is clear that MDIS and DTUP have no idea when it comes to running airports or the airline industry at all.
Neither, on the face of it, if what has been posted is correct, do the operators and management of Manston.
Buzz off with BAF!!
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niknak
Perhaps you have just had that 'Eureka' moment!! Manston is valuable
real estate, but regrettably not much of a commercial prospect as a
viable airport.
Infratil are not stupid, they know a good investment when they see it,
all that area in England's south east is a valuable land bank. It can generate
far more money from industrial and residential development than the odd
MK 747 twice a week ever could.
Perhaps you have just had that 'Eureka' moment!! Manston is valuable
real estate, but regrettably not much of a commercial prospect as a
viable airport.
Infratil are not stupid, they know a good investment when they see it,
all that area in England's south east is a valuable land bank. It can generate
far more money from industrial and residential development than the odd
MK 747 twice a week ever could.
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Niknak
i cant say i care for your tone , i know exactly why Manston is restricted at the moment and you don't , keep making stuff up if you like but theres no need to include me.
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i cant say i care for your tone , i know exactly why Manston is restricted at the moment and you don't , keep making stuff up if you like but theres no need to include me.
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New boost for KIA, according to http://www.kentnews.co.uk/kent-news/...nkent2383.aspx.
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Manston cargo is currently running at 36,000 tonnes per annum. That puts it at no 8 in the UK. Given the recent rapid growth, which is not all related to Christmas, and the prospect of DAS Air restarting services, I shall not be surprised to see it at no 6 in the UK by April, as Belfast and Edinburgh are only slightly in front.
This is very heartening, given that the bulk of the infrastructure improvements have yet to come on line. I believe Infratil are saying they are a year ahead of where they expected to be.
This is very heartening, given that the bulk of the infrastructure improvements have yet to come on line. I believe Infratil are saying they are a year ahead of where they expected to be.
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OK, let's spell it out very slowly....
Passengers earn the major revenue for any airport, if you study the statistics for all the UK airports you will note that freight is a useful additional, but not sole source of income to any - except Manston.
Assuming that the price per kilo for freight, charged by Manston, is much the same but probably a bit less than other UK South East Airport operators, then I cannot see how they will ever make a profit or commercially viable return.
The potential for passengers at Manston is extremely limited due to the catchment area being catered for more than adequately by other London Airports.
Manston failed first time around for precisely these reasons, at least this time the owners have the foresight to be able to sit back on their investment before they declare it unviable for present use and get planning permission for thousands of home.
I hope that you can come back to me in two years time and prove me wrong, but I suspect that you'll be too busy working on the housing development at Manston Way, Airport Close and Couldhavebeen Cresent.
Passengers earn the major revenue for any airport, if you study the statistics for all the UK airports you will note that freight is a useful additional, but not sole source of income to any - except Manston.
Assuming that the price per kilo for freight, charged by Manston, is much the same but probably a bit less than other UK South East Airport operators, then I cannot see how they will ever make a profit or commercially viable return.
The potential for passengers at Manston is extremely limited due to the catchment area being catered for more than adequately by other London Airports.
Manston failed first time around for precisely these reasons, at least this time the owners have the foresight to be able to sit back on their investment before they declare it unviable for present use and get planning permission for thousands of home.
I hope that you can come back to me in two years time and prove me wrong, but I suspect that you'll be too busy working on the housing development at Manston Way, Airport Close and Couldhavebeen Cresent.
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If Manston received as many aeroplanes as quotes on pprune it would be one of the busiest airports in the country!
Unfortunately it does not, never will and there are far too many small airports in the south too close to each other.
What should happen like most other 1st world countries is make a brand new airport big enough with plenty of access. A good site would be after the olympics. Knock all of the olympic village down and build an airport on it
Unfortunately it does not, never will and there are far too many small airports in the south too close to each other.
What should happen like most other 1st world countries is make a brand new airport big enough with plenty of access. A good site would be after the olympics. Knock all of the olympic village down and build an airport on it
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Niknak
The catchment area nonsense has been answered so many times, but once more especially for you. Eujet were on target to carry 400,000 passngers in year 1 of operation. Before anyone pipes up and says that the seats were given away, it still doesn't deny the fact that these people were willing to travel to MSE to fly. Some from South London.
The catchment area debate is only relevent for outbound pax. The inbound catchment area depends on the route network.
Mdis
The catchment area nonsense has been answered so many times, but once more especially for you. Eujet were on target to carry 400,000 passngers in year 1 of operation. Before anyone pipes up and says that the seats were given away, it still doesn't deny the fact that these people were willing to travel to MSE to fly. Some from South London.
The catchment area debate is only relevent for outbound pax. The inbound catchment area depends on the route network.
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Airnuts gave us interesting links (I don't know why the mods haven't zapped them as advertising), although I don't think MSE is 90 miles from London.
What made me laugh on the Lydd thread was his reference to the explosive called Lyddite.
As serious posters will know, there is a glut of experts (definition - an ex is a has-been; a spurt is a drip under pressure) polluting this thread with doom and gloom. I don't bother to reply to them, as most have an anti-Manston agenda, the basis of which they will never reveal, but they're pretty easy to identify. Others sit at home pontificating on all manner of threads, showing everyone how clever they think they are - just look at the number of posts they've made, and if you can stomach smugness read some of their old ones.
Now, in addition to the MAGgot and the NIMBY, we have the Lyddite, and it has been seen recently on this thread. Its speciality is the promotion of Lydd against Manston.
Very best wishes for 2007 to all Manston supporters, and let's look forward to more investment, airlines and employment. Finally, could we please have RUMOURS, even news, and no more of the tosh we've had to endure in 2006.
What made me laugh on the Lydd thread was his reference to the explosive called Lyddite.
As serious posters will know, there is a glut of experts (definition - an ex is a has-been; a spurt is a drip under pressure) polluting this thread with doom and gloom. I don't bother to reply to them, as most have an anti-Manston agenda, the basis of which they will never reveal, but they're pretty easy to identify. Others sit at home pontificating on all manner of threads, showing everyone how clever they think they are - just look at the number of posts they've made, and if you can stomach smugness read some of their old ones.
Now, in addition to the MAGgot and the NIMBY, we have the Lyddite, and it has been seen recently on this thread. Its speciality is the promotion of Lydd against Manston.
Very best wishes for 2007 to all Manston supporters, and let's look forward to more investment, airlines and employment. Finally, could we please have RUMOURS, even news, and no more of the tosh we've had to endure in 2006.
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Jes
Well said Jes - Happy New Year
Here's one for you...
British Mediteranean - Freight Company with DC 10's i believe.
Are looking to use MSE in the New Year - one flight a day to start with...
Well said Jes - Happy New Year
Here's one for you...
British Mediteranean - Freight Company with DC 10's i believe.
Are looking to use MSE in the New Year - one flight a day to start with...
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Jes posts the following:
"As serious posters will know, there is a glut of experts (definition - an ex is a has-been; a spurt is a drip under pressure) polluting this thread with doom and gloom. I don't bother to reply to them, as most have an anti-Manston agenda, the basis of which they will never reveal, but they're pretty easy to identify."
I'm afraid I have to refute this rubbish. You refer to "serious posters." By this you appear to mean anyone who believes that Manston is a guaranteed success. I doubt there are any "serious" posters who believe any such thing.
You then go on to cast baseless aspersions about the motives of those who don't share your rose-tinted view of things. I could easily cast similar aspersions about you and your chums. I could easily suggest that you have a financial interest in the success of Manston and are using the internet in an attempt to try to promote the airport. Whilst you could howl in protest, I could produce substantive evidence that this has been done before, and has been done in relation to Manston.
I would suggest that everyone avoids speculating about the motives of other people. In fact, I would go as far as to say your posting breaches the posting guidelines, because it is simply an attempt to rubbish other people's views, without presenting any information.
Finally, I would like to point out that, what you call the doom and gloom brigade, has a good track record. The doom and gloom brigade predicted the collapse of EUjet. Perhaps, this time around, you should start taking their views seriously, and stop living in La-la land.
Your final contribution is to wish a happy 2007 to all Manston supporters. I'm not sure how many people who contribute to this thread would wish to be included in your gang. Personally, I wish a happy 2007 to everyone, whatever their view of Manston.
"As serious posters will know, there is a glut of experts (definition - an ex is a has-been; a spurt is a drip under pressure) polluting this thread with doom and gloom. I don't bother to reply to them, as most have an anti-Manston agenda, the basis of which they will never reveal, but they're pretty easy to identify."
I'm afraid I have to refute this rubbish. You refer to "serious posters." By this you appear to mean anyone who believes that Manston is a guaranteed success. I doubt there are any "serious" posters who believe any such thing.
You then go on to cast baseless aspersions about the motives of those who don't share your rose-tinted view of things. I could easily cast similar aspersions about you and your chums. I could easily suggest that you have a financial interest in the success of Manston and are using the internet in an attempt to try to promote the airport. Whilst you could howl in protest, I could produce substantive evidence that this has been done before, and has been done in relation to Manston.
I would suggest that everyone avoids speculating about the motives of other people. In fact, I would go as far as to say your posting breaches the posting guidelines, because it is simply an attempt to rubbish other people's views, without presenting any information.
Finally, I would like to point out that, what you call the doom and gloom brigade, has a good track record. The doom and gloom brigade predicted the collapse of EUjet. Perhaps, this time around, you should start taking their views seriously, and stop living in La-la land.
Your final contribution is to wish a happy 2007 to all Manston supporters. I'm not sure how many people who contribute to this thread would wish to be included in your gang. Personally, I wish a happy 2007 to everyone, whatever their view of Manston.
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It doesn't take a genious to see that the Councillers (ie ratepayers) of Thanet and the area, are going to be left with a very simple choice;
Do you want to support a loss making venture, (Manston Airport), pour £1000Ks into something that will never, ever be a success. Or do you want your local taxes to go into developing local industry which is significantly more viable whilst Infratrail sell off the airport for much needed housing and industrial development, thereby creating more income for the local economy in one year than the airport ever could in ten?
Der...
no brainer methinks......
Do you want to support a loss making venture, (Manston Airport), pour £1000Ks into something that will never, ever be a success. Or do you want your local taxes to go into developing local industry which is significantly more viable whilst Infratrail sell off the airport for much needed housing and industrial development, thereby creating more income for the local economy in one year than the airport ever could in ten?
Der...
no brainer methinks......
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Berrs003
I have to disagree with you. This isn’t a forum to promote Manston but to discuss the positives and negatives.
[Catflaps
For the last (this year) the sensible posters are saying that EUjet did not fail, the Parent Company failed, and, if you want documentary proof, please let me know and I will post you the Grant Thornton correspondence. ( it will cost you a few quid in photocopying and postage but you are more than welcome)
When we ask for something positive to be posted we don’t mean good news but a balanced view
You say in your last post to Jes that all his posts just rubbish any other comments which is simply not true, all you seem able to produce is your personal view without any substance whatsoever. I would hazard a guess that you have never worked in aviation and know nothing of the industry at all. The dead giveaway was when you suggested that MSE should take the 3000 BA pax with open arms, obviously knowing nothing of the back up services required to handle such a short term influx! You have posted no hard facts about the airport and probably never will
To all
There are some posters who have been described as “serious posters” but I tend to want to communicate with sensible posters i.e. those who hold a balanced view and a middle ground
Just as in politics there are the far right and the far left. On this forum we have the “seriously against” and the “seriously for” the success of the airport, who should be in the most ignored
I happen to believe that Infratil are doing a good job and are committed to making the site a success as an airport but having said that I may be proved wrong, we will have to see
Happy New Year to ALL
I have to disagree with you. This isn’t a forum to promote Manston but to discuss the positives and negatives.
[Catflaps
For the last (this year) the sensible posters are saying that EUjet did not fail, the Parent Company failed, and, if you want documentary proof, please let me know and I will post you the Grant Thornton correspondence. ( it will cost you a few quid in photocopying and postage but you are more than welcome)
When we ask for something positive to be posted we don’t mean good news but a balanced view
You say in your last post to Jes that all his posts just rubbish any other comments which is simply not true, all you seem able to produce is your personal view without any substance whatsoever. I would hazard a guess that you have never worked in aviation and know nothing of the industry at all. The dead giveaway was when you suggested that MSE should take the 3000 BA pax with open arms, obviously knowing nothing of the back up services required to handle such a short term influx! You have posted no hard facts about the airport and probably never will
To all
There are some posters who have been described as “serious posters” but I tend to want to communicate with sensible posters i.e. those who hold a balanced view and a middle ground
Just as in politics there are the far right and the far left. On this forum we have the “seriously against” and the “seriously for” the success of the airport, who should be in the most ignored
I happen to believe that Infratil are doing a good job and are committed to making the site a success as an airport but having said that I may be proved wrong, we will have to see
Happy New Year to ALL
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Niknak
Showing true colours again!
The councillors only use other peoples money not their own!!
Why do the ratepayers have to support the airport financially? It is owned by a very successful company with strong financial backing
You are obviously a very clever person as you seem able to talk out of your a se while sitting on it.
Mdis
Showing true colours again!
The councillors only use other peoples money not their own!!
Why do the ratepayers have to support the airport financially? It is owned by a very successful company with strong financial backing
You are obviously a very clever person as you seem able to talk out of your a
se while sitting on it.Mdis