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Are you going to start complaining now that Flybe are not operating to Paris on those Q400's and that the fares are so expensive to Paris using Aer Arann and the smaller aircraft.
I bet you are typing already
Are you going to start complaining now that Flybe are not operating to Paris on those Q400's and that the fares are so expensive to Paris using Aer Arann and the smaller aircraft.
I bet you are typing already
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News from The Casino Advisory Board.
Cardiff Airport has been named as one of the reasons why the board rejected Cardiff's application for a super-casino. It states that the airport is undeveloped and that together with other factors would not expect the casino to do as well as in other places!
This is a big blow to Wales, ok not sure if the population wanted it, certainly know that the assembly wanted it. Hopefully the Assembly government will have a few little words with the airport as not to lose any future projects!
Cardiff Airport has been named as one of the reasons why the board rejected Cardiff's application for a super-casino. It states that the airport is undeveloped and that together with other factors would not expect the casino to do as well as in other places!
This is a big blow to Wales, ok not sure if the population wanted it, certainly know that the assembly wanted it. Hopefully the Assembly government will have a few little words with the airport as not to lose any future projects!
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Latest plans are for a link road between J34 0f the M4 and CWL/St Athan. Unfortunately it is only going to be Single Carriageway.
. But I do think it is quite definitavley goning too happen.a1234, i must agree with you there, people dont think of Thomsonfly as a LoCo, in my experiance. That is why I would except it would be better for WW to operate Paris and Barcelona (or yes, even BE.) Still with aer arann operating. Bring on Tuifly in that perspective.
I am sure that the casino is not a big loss, Cardiff isnt any vegas, so basically, it would just bring more misery to the lives of the areas poor. I dont think we need a casino, whatever Rhodri says.
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Smile!!! I will refer you to the following link
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...name_page.html
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why do you think that Wellington Bomber? At the moment FlyBe have no further plans to add anymore routes from CWL and the current one will have the A/C based at belfast. (Maybe once the deal is done that could change).
If Thomson are going to use their 737 on the Jersey flight then they will be compeating against Bmi Baby on the route, which is a bad thing for BMI Baby.
If Thomson want to use Aer Arann ATR to operate the Paris flight then thats up to them obviously they be making money on it which would mean the fairs will be higher. (At least a company is making an attempt to operate a paris flight again).
Airbridge 10 is back in a blue colour which sticks out like a sore thumb. Airbridge 7 has now been removed.
Did anyone go to the consultative meeting tonight?
Anyone else got any news?
If Thomson are going to use their 737 on the Jersey flight then they will be compeating against Bmi Baby on the route, which is a bad thing for BMI Baby.
If Thomson want to use Aer Arann ATR to operate the Paris flight then thats up to them obviously they be making money on it which would mean the fairs will be higher. (At least a company is making an attempt to operate a paris flight again).
Airbridge 10 is back in a blue colour which sticks out like a sore thumb. Airbridge 7 has now been removed.
Did anyone go to the consultative meeting tonight?
Anyone else got any news?
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You said about Thomsonfly being in direct competition with BNI baby on the Cardiff Jersey some of us would not think so when you leek at the schedules.
BMI Baby one flight a week starting on the 31st March saturdays only.
Thonsonfly start the beginning of may and by the end of may there will be five flights a week with them being morning rotations where the Baby flight is late afternoon.
So one could say not in direct competion.
Thomsonfly are only carrying on from last year where the had four return trips mid morning with AER ARRAN operating on there behalf, so they are now doing it themselves with an increase in capicty good for Wales and all those Uni students from the Islands.
You said about Thomsonfly being in direct competition with BNI baby on the Cardiff Jersey some of us would not think so when you leek at the schedules.
BMI Baby one flight a week starting on the 31st March saturdays only.
Thonsonfly start the beginning of may and by the end of may there will be five flights a week with them being morning rotations where the Baby flight is late afternoon.
So one could say not in direct competion.
Thomsonfly are only carrying on from last year where the had four return trips mid morning with AER ARRAN operating on there behalf, so they are now doing it themselves with an increase in capicty good for Wales and all those Uni students from the Islands.
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You get me too Birmingham in 2 hours!
LHR is the most conviniant airport by EK for the South of Wales
Back on topic -
Orly from Cardiff is great for getting to Paris, not so great for connections.... ah well.
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Even though Thomson are not flying at the same time, without a shadow of a doubt the increased capacity of a 737 (149 pax depending on the class of a/c) five times a week will effect BMI Baby.
Giving the consumer a much better option to fly whenever they want rather than on Saturday as S06. Thomson did not pose a threat last year to BMI Baby as all their flights were full with old leasure travellers. But this year i am guessing that there will be empty seats on the WW - Jersey. I maybe wrong but we'll just have to wait and see on this one.
And if you read the thread closely there is no mention of direct or indirect competition. But if there is an opourtunity for WW Passengers to be lost and travel with TOM then maybe the Jersey route will disapear off the WW scheduling for S08 or maybe an icreased frequency by WW. Will there be a price war on this route? this could be interesting and are WW allready regreating not putting in the Fourth A/C at WW?
Giving the consumer a much better option to fly whenever they want rather than on Saturday as S06. Thomson did not pose a threat last year to BMI Baby as all their flights were full with old leasure travellers. But this year i am guessing that there will be empty seats on the WW - Jersey. I maybe wrong but we'll just have to wait and see on this one.
And if you read the thread closely there is no mention of direct or indirect competition. But if there is an opourtunity for WW Passengers to be lost and travel with TOM then maybe the Jersey route will disapear off the WW scheduling for S08 or maybe an icreased frequency by WW. Will there be a price war on this route? this could be interesting and are WW allready regreating not putting in the Fourth A/C at WW?
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We wouldn't see this road build finished till roughly 2010 by the time they plan it, compulsary purchase land and then build it.
I've said this before tho - the road is an excuse. The lack of growth at Cardiff is always held up to be due to the road, but being honest, there are many airports in the UK with sharply WORSE access, and they do better than CWL. I'd point the finger somewhere else... have a reread of Caaaardiff's postings, I won't repeat their thoughts!
BTW - people who suggest that baby could/should do Paris with a 737 need a lesson in airline economics, I am afraid... ditto BRU.
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BTW - people who suggest that baby could/should do Paris with a 737 need a lesson in airline economics, I am afraid... ditto BRU.
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But "A" daily 737 just doesn't work. The Paris route from Cardiff has traditionally been a business route, with the route paid for by the boys and girls in Club, or paying Y class tickets. So it has to be double daily. So that is 600 seats per day with a 737. Baby would want to fill at least 500 of those, and at a sensible yield that covers the nasty costs of CDG. That just won't happen any time soon from this part of the world, I am afraid.
What it needs is someone with a smaller aircraft that can offer a BA type service. Baby wisely aren't touching it with a mucky stick.
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What it needs is someone with a smaller aircraft that can offer a BA type service. Baby wisely aren't touching it with a mucky stick.
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How successful were Air Wales with the CDG, considering it was on behalf of baby?
Obviously baby felt then that it wasnt worth a 737, so why would it change now.
On the other hand. It must have been alot of leisure pax, if i remember rightly the ATR's were often overloaded with luggage....this wouldnt have happened if some/most pax were business pax.
How did Air Wales operate it...timings, frequency etc?
Thomson have the marketing power to overcome it. TOM operate AMS, PRG, BCN, VLC etc from CVT/DSA/BOH, not your average bucket and spade charter they are best known for, and also high freq.
Thomson will be able to market ORY as a leisure route. Pax do see Thomson as a Leisure operator. But if word spreads and its the only option, then maybe some business pax may catch on.
Could FlyBe - CDG on a DH8, and TOM - ORY on ATR4 work along side each other?
CDG being for business pax, ORY for Leisure pax. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt ORY the airport that serves Disney? and CDG not only provides links to Paris itself, but also Transit pax connecting to elsewhere from CDG?
Obviously baby felt then that it wasnt worth a 737, so why would it change now.
On the other hand. It must have been alot of leisure pax, if i remember rightly the ATR's were often overloaded with luggage....this wouldnt have happened if some/most pax were business pax.
How did Air Wales operate it...timings, frequency etc?
people dont think of Thomsonfly as a LoCo, in my experiance. That is why I would except it would be better for WW to operate Paris and Barcelona (or yes, even BE.)
Thomson will be able to market ORY as a leisure route. Pax do see Thomson as a Leisure operator. But if word spreads and its the only option, then maybe some business pax may catch on.
Could FlyBe - CDG on a DH8, and TOM - ORY on ATR4 work along side each other?
CDG being for business pax, ORY for Leisure pax. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt ORY the airport that serves Disney? and CDG not only provides links to Paris itself, but also Transit pax connecting to elsewhere from CDG?
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but isnt ORY the airport that serves Disney?
6G did fine operationally with CDG, but financially baby couldn't drive the yields high enough to make it worthwhile. Expensive place, CDG!!
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From what I remember Air Wales did very well on CDG in terms of pax loads often achieving averages of around 85% however the yield that was needed to operate into such a highly expensive airport just wasn't there.
I think an ATR72 will do well into CDG but I don't think ORY will capture the type of passenger that will pay the high yield, there's not enough leisure passenger to fill the aircraft alone, not when there's an EZY and BA service just down the road.
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I think an ATR72 will do well into CDG but I don't think ORY will capture the type of passenger that will pay the high yield, there's not enough leisure passenger to fill the aircraft alone, not when there's an EZY and BA service just down the road.
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So really Paris would be a good opening for Flybe`s expansion?
Air France are out, because of KLM.
Aer Arann don't seem keen.
I wish ThomsonFly all the luck in the world with the ORY (if indeed it is confirmed, no sign of it on the websites yet) but have to say I would be VERY surprised if they make a go of it. Unless the RDF is chipping in shedloads....
I think an ATR72 will do well into CDG but I don't think ORY will capture the type of passenger that will pay the high yield, there's not enough leisure passenger to fill the aircraft alone, not when there's an EZY and BA service just down the road.
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If CWL is struggling to secure ORY then it is doomed. I used to use CWL quite a bit but now BRS is miles ahead. Frankly the management and JH are pathetic they keep going on about securing routes and talking to a number of airlines but nothing ever happens. CWL is not going anywhere and its a real shame.
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Forgive me, but that wasn't a very helpful post....
Why? ORY and Paris in general is a tough market to get into, and an even tougher one to make any money on. The fact that Cardiff isn't yet playing in this pond doesn't mean it is "doomed".
Pax numbers up and loads of rebuilding. Potential of a new road to the motorway. And who knows what else this year...
No, going no-where fast...
If CWL is struggling to secure ORY then it is doomed
CWL is not going anywhere
No, going no-where fast...