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It is a joke i sometimes wonder if they are even there, I visited the airport countless times last year either to fly myself or to pick up/drop off someone. Not once did i see anyone in a suite on the airport floor, no customer relations at all, absolutely disgracefull it puts the mokers on welsh friendlyness.
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Just to be cler re: T3 NCL. The route isn't/hasn't been downgraded - it has never operated at weekends. Initially showing as remaining 2x daily M-F for this Summer (no change) but with the high passenger numbers a frequency increase at some point would seem likely and seem to fit better with T3's business model.
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It's hardly surprising the route will increase capacity at some point, the route was handed to them on a plate 6 months ago by Air Wales, which was a 3x daily ATR operation.
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it's a different type of pasenger though e.g (Business only). T3 operates a 1st class service including access to the executive lounge at CWL. It would be good to have an increased frequency of T3 especially since they only operated the BRU route for couple of Months. What happened to the Aberdeen route that they originally were planning to operate. Could T3 be one of the airlines looking at the Valley - Cardiff?
The airports DM's are usually behind check-in desk 16 and 17 and as for JH he's usually up in his office by the tower. There was a meeting every morning for issues to be risen by handling agents, retail, security etc. All matters that were risen in the meetings especially by handling agents were something simple like hooks on doors (leading out onto the apron)to keep them open because they were slamming shut and hitting staff. Took about 2 months to get that sorted.
It is a joke at the moment and talking of these new routes to Germany, Poland and longhaul to New Zealand, Australia and the Far East is just laughable.
The airports DM's are usually behind check-in desk 16 and 17 and as for JH he's usually up in his office by the tower. There was a meeting every morning for issues to be risen by handling agents, retail, security etc. All matters that were risen in the meetings especially by handling agents were something simple like hooks on doors (leading out onto the apron)to keep them open because they were slamming shut and hitting staff. Took about 2 months to get that sorted.
It is a joke at the moment and talking of these new routes to Germany, Poland and longhaul to New Zealand, Australia and the Far East is just laughable.
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The management seem to be extremely incompetent and have achieved very little in the last few years. Was looking through the airport news archive and a piece two years ago mentioned establishing routes to Germany, Italy and Scandinavia with key aspirations for DXB. Well the latest press release seems to have dropped Scandinavia now that BRS have Stockholm and its likely that this is all just a smokescreen to distract increasing criticism from all quarters. I agree that people's patience has been tested and they have waited long for something to come out of CWL but seems like none of the management give two hoots about establishing anything more than an intra-Wales service what a pathetic bunch I will not use CWL in protest at this sorry lot, which is a shame.
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Sorry you can not lay the blame soley at CWL management. Lets get it right. The Airport has a wish list of routes it would like to see operated. Eu rules will only allow an airport limited means of supporting new routes(RDF)(Ryanair Brussels south!!!). It is the airlines that have to look at the commercial case for any particular route. CWL needs a new operator to come in to operate new routes. Baby have space XL are pulling out Flybe are starting one service. These are established operators now that have to plan months and months ahead(Slots etc.) before commiting on any new route. You think CWL are bad before Mr Burns arrived at MAN they opened a second runway and the only new service they got was the Do228 Air Wales service from CWL.
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At last - someone who clearly understands the markets and the forces therein!
This thread appears to have become a thread for bashing JH and anyone associated with business development at the airport.
The truth is that CWL will always lag behind BRS, for one predominant reason only - the size of the catchment area. BRS has a potential catchment area of circa 5m persons within a one hour drive time. CWL has a population of 2m in the same drive time.
Not rocket science then that BRS has over 2.5 times the number of pax!!!
I would suggest that JH and the CWL management are developing the business really rather nicely - the last numbers I saw which were over two years ago before I left, indicated that EBITDA was well in excess of £12m for one year - not bad for a 2m pax airport.
Now try to convince me CWL management are ineffective...
This thread appears to have become a thread for bashing JH and anyone associated with business development at the airport.
The truth is that CWL will always lag behind BRS, for one predominant reason only - the size of the catchment area. BRS has a potential catchment area of circa 5m persons within a one hour drive time. CWL has a population of 2m in the same drive time.
Not rocket science then that BRS has over 2.5 times the number of pax!!!
I would suggest that JH and the CWL management are developing the business really rather nicely - the last numbers I saw which were over two years ago before I left, indicated that EBITDA was well in excess of £12m for one year - not bad for a 2m pax airport.
Now try to convince me CWL management are ineffective...
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Well lets face the truth, although i myself may seem to be blaming the whole CWL situation on JH, its obvious it isnt entirely his fault after all im studying economics and were currently doing the aviation market, but you have to agree yourself that all these European city routes that by now should be well established at CWl according the article nearly two years ago have just not come, as for the website its good fair play but please update the ruddy thing.
(All depends how you look at it after all it is one of the fastest growing european cities with probably the slowest to react airport.
The truth is that CWL will always lag behind BRS, for one predominant reason only - the size of the catchment area.
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As someone who is currently studying economics, I am sure, cwl747, that you will see the innate common sense in the writings of xtypeman and Stall-Warner. The airport is there to make money. That is what it does, based on S-W's figures, it does it well. Get off JH's case!!
The catchment area argument is a bit of a red herring as well, however. It all depends on the route offered. If you consider, say, Edinburgh, then the catchment area is relatively small, since you can get there from BHX, BRS etc etc. But for a route that ISN'T available elsewhere (eg YYZ, YVR), the catchment area expands outwards rapidly.
Does the airport have a wishlist complex? Yes, like all airports I have ever come across!!!
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The catchment area argument is a bit of a red herring as well, however. It all depends on the route offered. If you consider, say, Edinburgh, then the catchment area is relatively small, since you can get there from BHX, BRS etc etc. But for a route that ISN'T available elsewhere (eg YYZ, YVR), the catchment area expands outwards rapidly.
Does the airport have a wishlist complex? Yes, like all airports I have ever come across!!!
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Well lets face the truth, although i myself may seem to be blaming the whole CWL situation on JH, its obvious it isnt entirely his fault
innate common sense in the writings of xtypeman and Stall-Warner
Does the airport have a wishlist complex? Yes, like all airports I have ever come across!!!
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Route developments is mainly down the Airlines.
Transport access is down to Government and Transport companies
Terminal expansion is down to Abertis.
Selling the advantages of improving all of the above is down to the management 'team'.
Unfortunately, very few of us actually knows what goes on behind the scenes.
What i do know is that employees, locals and pprune'ers as well may talk some pretty good sense, and its as if the management dont want to know and thunder on with ridiculous ideas pretending that they think everyone will love what their doing.
Also I think the whole catchment area thing is not the 'major' factor some people perceive it as. As Twinaisle says, the further away the route, the further people will travel to the airport to fly the route. If people are willing to travel from South Wales and the South West to LHR,LGW,BHX for long haul routes... (a drive of between 1 1/2 - 4 hrs, why wouldnt they drive to CWL if the route was there.
There are also alot of Welsh accents you can hear when a BRS flight diverts in.
I think, (and this is my personal opinion) BRS got lucky because
A) Go were there, and thats where easyjet stayed.
and B) CO has improved BRS profile.
If CWL had a sparkly new terminal the same time as BRS and a good team to profile CWL to the world, i wonder how it would have turned out.
Transport access is down to Government and Transport companies
Terminal expansion is down to Abertis.
Selling the advantages of improving all of the above is down to the management 'team'.
Unfortunately, very few of us actually knows what goes on behind the scenes.
What i do know is that employees, locals and pprune'ers as well may talk some pretty good sense, and its as if the management dont want to know and thunder on with ridiculous ideas pretending that they think everyone will love what their doing.
Also I think the whole catchment area thing is not the 'major' factor some people perceive it as. As Twinaisle says, the further away the route, the further people will travel to the airport to fly the route. If people are willing to travel from South Wales and the South West to LHR,LGW,BHX for long haul routes... (a drive of between 1 1/2 - 4 hrs, why wouldnt they drive to CWL if the route was there.
There are also alot of Welsh accents you can hear when a BRS flight diverts in.
I think, (and this is my personal opinion) BRS got lucky because
A) Go were there, and thats where easyjet stayed.
and B) CO has improved BRS profile.
If CWL had a sparkly new terminal the same time as BRS and a good team to profile CWL to the world, i wonder how it would have turned out.
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hes isnt the only one incharge of that airport
i myself am using his name purely because i dont know the names of the other management there
Yes but arent many of them making theres come true eh?
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TA you seem to be slightly arrogent and a bit of a know it all, you have so many ideas that roll of your tongue so easily, a bit like JH in a way!!!!!
Oh and if you think im the only one ripping the guts out of cardiff just read this http://www.airlinequality.com/Airpor..._forum/cwl.htm
Oh do grow up
Oh and if you think im the only one ripping the guts out of cardiff just read this http://www.airlinequality.com/Airpor..._forum/cwl.htm
Yes he is. He is Managing Director.
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What FACTUAL part of what I wrote do you disagree with?
He is MD, therefore he is in charge.
Taking the fight to JH simply because you know of no-one else to criticise is frankly puerile.
"Airline Quality", like most websites of its genre, is written by those with axes to grind.
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He is MD, therefore he is in charge.
Taking the fight to JH simply because you know of no-one else to criticise is frankly puerile.
"Airline Quality", like most websites of its genre, is written by those with axes to grind.
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From the same article in today's Western Mail:
"Cardiff International has reintroduced services to Paris, a route that was dropped when Air Wales ceased operations. And it hopes to see new services to Aberdeen, Dusseldorf, Munich and more routes to Spain, Italy and to Katowice, Poland."
Is this a slip by the WM or PeterP? Is Paris about to be confirmed?
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"Cardiff International has reintroduced services to Paris, a route that was dropped when Air Wales ceased operations. And it hopes to see new services to Aberdeen, Dusseldorf, Munich and more routes to Spain, Italy and to Katowice, Poland."
Is this a slip by the WM or PeterP? Is Paris about to be confirmed?
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Mr Phillips knows how to irritate bmibaby as well...
Anyone for BFS?
"Belfast City will join our existing Irish routes to Dublin, Cork and Galway."
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Spencer Birns, head of the airport's Aviation Business Relationships, said top of its wish list was to attract a US route, complementing Zoom's regular low-fare services to Toronto and Vancouver.
Bookings to Canada are 10% up on this time last year.
Bookings to Canada are 10% up on this time last year.
This year it doesnt start until Apr and both YYZ and YVR are via BFS. Great progress! Also Zoom UK wont be around CWL for a long time, or even at all!
It is nice to see the possibility of these routes starting, and the fact they are now being talked about in more detail is promising.
But as other have said in the past, with CIAL, i wont beleive it until i see it.