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A new LCY German destination
It appears that CityJet are to launch a daily LCY-FMO (Münster/Osnabrück) from the start of the winter season using an off-peak Fokker 50: FMO airport website (in German). Curiously no CityJet publicity about this, even though it's all over German news sites.
As with any new route, I hope it will work, but the Mon-Thurs 0805 departure from LCY is not great timing if they are targeting German inbound business travellers.
As with any new route, I hope it will work, but the Mon-Thurs 0805 departure from LCY is not great timing if they are targeting German inbound business travellers.
I realise that Air Berlin having stopped their Stansted-Munster service indicates it wasn't their best performing route.
I'm curious about a few things though:
1 - What was the core market at which the STN-FMO service was aimed ? Any big corporates who used this route heavily perhaps ?
2 - Was there anything fundamentally troublesome with the STN-FMO route (e.g. bad timings) or was it simply that not enough people wanted to pay enough to fly the route ?
3 - The launch of a route to LCY rather than STN indidcates CityJet are aiming at a business-focussed customer segment. How much corporate activity is there based around Munster and Osnabruck that prefers not to use Dusseldorf or Hanover ? Apart from Lufthansa feeders to Frankfurt and Munich, the existing traffic at FMO seems to be centred very heavily on beach routes
I'm curious about a few things though:
1 - What was the core market at which the STN-FMO service was aimed ? Any big corporates who used this route heavily perhaps ?
2 - Was there anything fundamentally troublesome with the STN-FMO route (e.g. bad timings) or was it simply that not enough people wanted to pay enough to fly the route ?
3 - The launch of a route to LCY rather than STN indidcates CityJet are aiming at a business-focussed customer segment. How much corporate activity is there based around Munster and Osnabruck that prefers not to use Dusseldorf or Hanover ? Apart from Lufthansa feeders to Frankfurt and Munich, the existing traffic at FMO seems to be centred very heavily on beach routes
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Wasn't LCY-FMO flown by Eurowings years ago? I've a feeling they used to fly there as well as PAD, DUS and NUE before Air Berlin really got going and developed those routes from STN.
As far as the AB flights were concerned I think the route just wasn't profitable enough for them at a time when they were trying to decrease the number of their bases as their finances were so poor.
As far as the AB flights were concerned I think the route just wasn't profitable enough for them at a time when they were trying to decrease the number of their bases as their finances were so poor.
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Noticed today that both BA A318s have British Airways Limited titles on the nose, and that leased Saab 2000 G-CDEB is tech again(!)
Also the presence of the liner Gemini means 1) lots of ship spotters and 2) awesome photo opportunities as landers appear to be touching down right in front of the liner. Worth a look, as is the enormous semi-naked statue outside the Jet Centre complete with bulging speedos. (apparently a woman, I am confused!)
Also the presence of the liner Gemini means 1) lots of ship spotters and 2) awesome photo opportunities as landers appear to be touching down right in front of the liner. Worth a look, as is the enormous semi-naked statue outside the Jet Centre complete with bulging speedos. (apparently a woman, I am confused!)
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FMO-LCY was served in the past by Augsburg Airways as part of a NUE-FMO-LCY route when they still had independent (LH franchised) services. It was operated by a DHC8-300.
Not sure about FMO-LCY by Eurowings. Eurowings shifted its DTM-LON route one point from STN to LCY and as they were operating a lot of triangular services at PAD/DTM/FMO, it could very well be that at one point there was a FMO-DTM-LCY service.
As for AB's STN route, my guess is that it was a mixture of traditional London traffic (there have been on and off London serivces from that region by various airlines since the 1980s) and passengers originating from the British Forces based in that region (remember the oddball MAN-PAD service by AB that existed for quite some time for the same reason).
As far as the LH MUC service is concerned, could be the retirement of the Avro RJ85 be a reason? Is the E190 load restricted on LCY-MUC?
Not sure about FMO-LCY by Eurowings. Eurowings shifted its DTM-LON route one point from STN to LCY and as they were operating a lot of triangular services at PAD/DTM/FMO, it could very well be that at one point there was a FMO-DTM-LCY service.
As for AB's STN route, my guess is that it was a mixture of traditional London traffic (there have been on and off London serivces from that region by various airlines since the 1980s) and passengers originating from the British Forces based in that region (remember the oddball MAN-PAD service by AB that existed for quite some time for the same reason).
As far as the LH MUC service is concerned, could be the retirement of the Avro RJ85 be a reason? Is the E190 load restricted on LCY-MUC?
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As far as the LH MUC service is concerned, could be the retirement of the Avro RJ85 be a reason?
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The area opposite Excel with the plane noses was set up as "London Pleasure Gardens". It barely opened before it went to administration, the local paper "Wharf" has a number of stories about it.
Punters leaving Olympic events at Excel were encouraged to walk over the temporary dock bridge to visit the attraction. I did just that after my event - but there was absolutely no reason to stop.
Punters leaving Olympic events at Excel were encouraged to walk over the temporary dock bridge to visit the attraction. I did just that after my event - but there was absolutely no reason to stop.
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Estonian Air have today announced plans to launch flights from LCY to TLL. Flights will be operated by a 112 seater E190.
Flights to Estonia, Lithuania, Sweden & Finland from London. – Estonian Air
Flight schedule is as follows:
01st March 2013 to 01st May 2013
OV101 TLL 07:30 LCY 08:20 E90 135
OV102 LCY 08:50 TLL 13:30 E90 135
02nd May 2013 to 31st May 2013
OV101 TLL 07:30 LCY 08:20 E90 x267
OV102 LCY 08:50 TLL 13:30 E90 x267
From 01st June 2013
OV101 TLL 07:30 LCY 08:20 E90 x7
OV102 LCY 08:50 TLL 13:30 E90 x7
Flights to Estonia, Lithuania, Sweden & Finland from London. – Estonian Air
Flight schedule is as follows:
01st March 2013 to 01st May 2013
OV101 TLL 07:30 LCY 08:20 E90 135
OV102 LCY 08:50 TLL 13:30 E90 135
02nd May 2013 to 31st May 2013
OV101 TLL 07:30 LCY 08:20 E90 x267
OV102 LCY 08:50 TLL 13:30 E90 x267
From 01st June 2013
OV101 TLL 07:30 LCY 08:20 E90 x7
OV102 LCY 08:50 TLL 13:30 E90 x7
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That's a poor timetable; Tallinn won't generate enough on its own, but can offer good and quick connections to Helsinki, St Petersburg, Moscow, etc. However an 0730 departure from Tallinn means no connections. For a once-daily they would have been better going for a midday schedule. And I doubt there's the business for a twice daily to give evening westbound connections.
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This is certainly great news for LCY - an airline choosing the airport over any other London airport (as the current flight to LGW is being moved to LCY). I think Estonian Air are missing a trick though by not operating a Sunday service. It rules Tallin out as a weekend city break destination as there's no opportunity to fly back on a Sunday afternoon / evening.
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I don't think they intend it for city breaks. FR and EZY will get all that sort of traffic. FR's LTN-TLL flight has taken business from EZY's STN-TLL flight, so EZY are moving to LGW. That will then take business from Estonian hence the move to LCY. I hope it succeeds but I suspect it won't be easy. Codeshare with BA maybe??
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Noticed that the stands have been re-jigged following the demolition at Stand 11, which appears to have been removed. Stands 8-10 have been shifted West, with 10 now on top of the old 11, allowing more comfortable parking (shoe-horning) of the larger ERJ-190s.
Total stand capacity drops by one to 17.
Total stand capacity drops by one to 17.
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Two airlines have announced that they will open a new route from London City. The two new routes are:
Kristiansand
A new Norwegian carrier called FlyNonstop plan to launch 5 x weekly flights to Kristiansand starting 25th April 2013.
FlyNonstop to Launch Operation from Kristiansand from late-Apr 2013 | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates
Nuremburg
Cityjet have announced that they will begin flights from LCY to Nuremburg starting 27th January 2013
CityJet | Nuremberg Launch
Flights will operate as follows:
AF5277 LCY 13:05 NUE 15:55 AR8 x67
AF5279 LCY 18:25 NUE 21:15 AR8 x67
AF5279 LCY 18:55 NUE 21:45 AR8 7
AF5276 NUE 07:45 LCY 08:35 AR8 x67
AF5276 NUE 09:30 LCY 10:20 AR8 6
AF5278 NUE 17:05 LCY 17:55 AR8 x67
Kristiansand
A new Norwegian carrier called FlyNonstop plan to launch 5 x weekly flights to Kristiansand starting 25th April 2013.
FlyNonstop to Launch Operation from Kristiansand from late-Apr 2013 | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates
Nuremburg
Cityjet have announced that they will begin flights from LCY to Nuremburg starting 27th January 2013
CityJet | Nuremberg Launch
Flights will operate as follows:
AF5277 LCY 13:05 NUE 15:55 AR8 x67
AF5279 LCY 18:25 NUE 21:15 AR8 x67
AF5279 LCY 18:55 NUE 21:45 AR8 7
AF5276 NUE 07:45 LCY 08:35 AR8 x67
AF5276 NUE 09:30 LCY 10:20 AR8 6
AF5278 NUE 17:05 LCY 17:55 AR8 x67
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Estonian will not start from LCY
Estonian announced another of its half-yearly strategy changes, and as a result of that, will not commence flying on TLL-LCY.
Estonian Air to Reduce Flights, Fleet and Personnel | Economy | News | ERR
Estonian Air to Reduce Flights, Fleet and Personnel | Economy | News | ERR
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hi everone just been onto british airways website and it looks like thay are cuting the ba 004 to new york next year due to the us immigration time changes in shannon . does any one know whats happing to the other a318
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