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A little off the discussion, but has anyone seen what is being said about BACF and BA LGW being amalgamated due to a common type. (Embraer 195 at LGW)
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I understand that an Embraer fleet has already been ruled out at LGW because of its range.
Whilst short haul fleet renewal is being looked at I'm not sure how certain it is for LGW in any event. Any order by BA has to be approved by IAG who I understand want to be satisfied the investment case is sound (not that wouldn't be the case pre merger but now there are two hoops to jump through - the boards of BA and IAG).
Whilst short haul fleet renewal is being looked at I'm not sure how certain it is for LGW in any event. Any order by BA has to be approved by IAG who I understand want to be satisfied the investment case is sound (not that wouldn't be the case pre merger but now there are two hoops to jump through - the boards of BA and IAG).
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I agree that replacing short haul LGW might not have a good business case, allowing an expanded BA CityFlyer to move in may well have. The cost base is lower.
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Two questions about LYC:
1) Does anyone know what number stands the BA A318 stands typically occupy?
2) Without regards to winds favoring a runway, is there a preferred runway for operations or do they alternate based on a noise abatement program that equalizes the operation?
Reasons for questions: HERE
Just want to be as factual as possible in the article.
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1) Does anyone know what number stands the BA A318 stands typically occupy?
2) Without regards to winds favoring a runway, is there a preferred runway for operations or do they alternate based on a noise abatement program that equalizes the operation?
Reasons for questions: HERE
Just want to be as factual as possible in the article.
Regards,
BeachAV8R
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They usually depart from Stand 24 but arrive on any of 21-24 as they are the only stands big enough. There is no preferred runway due to the short runway and crosswind component that I know of. They use the runway favoured by the wind, most of the time this is runway 27.
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Thanks for the information. The LCY airport website is full of good information.. They have a great little time-lapse video of ramp operations there at LCY that is pretty impressive to watch. Nice marshaling and parking skills. Are there often wingtip collision mishaps there or is there more room than meets the eye?
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is there a preferred runway for operations or do they alternate based on a noise abatement program that equalizes the operation?
Can I suggest you come down to the "north side of the dock" (take the Docklands Light Railway to Royal Albert station and go over to the seats nearby) for a couple of hours in the morning or evening busy period, where you will get a good view of how straightforward operations are for the regular crews here.
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I've been flying for a living for 15 years now - I have a pretty good grasp on professionalism in our industry. The ramp operation at LCY appears to be fairly unique. I keep forgetting us aviation professionals are so sensitive to questions about operations.
Collisions do occur..EXAMPLE but wasn't sure if the congestion of the ramp made it any more likely to happen or if the elevated awareness of such tight quarters results in more precise taxiing for that very reason. Shrug.
Runway equalization is a factor discussed often regardless of numbers of runways. Reality based on conditions and goals are often at odds of course. I don't know how LCY operates but I don't think it was an unreasonable question to ask.
I'd hop on the Tube but I don't think they have a station in North Carolina.
Thanks for the input.
Collisions do occur..EXAMPLE but wasn't sure if the congestion of the ramp made it any more likely to happen or if the elevated awareness of such tight quarters results in more precise taxiing for that very reason. Shrug.
Runway equalization is a factor discussed often regardless of numbers of runways. Reality based on conditions and goals are often at odds of course. I don't know how LCY operates but I don't think it was an unreasonable question to ask.
I'd hop on the Tube but I don't think they have a station in North Carolina.
Thanks for the input.
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Is it not due to reducing the frequency when Cityjet changed from the Do328 to a F50. Went to doubke daily, It's now back to a Do328 but still a lower frequency. Used to three daily during the week.
Suspect the slot was better used elsewhere from AF/Cityjets point of view.
Suspect the slot was better used elsewhere from AF/Cityjets point of view.
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CityJet increasing Scottish routes
CityJet takes on BA with Scots flights - Transport - Scotsman.com
New route to Aberdeen and restoring some frequencies to Dundee (and by implication Edinburgh as well). Will Scot remain their contractor to Dundee with the Do328, getting back to the old days that seemed to work so much better ?
With the end of BMI, rolled into BA, there are obviously new opportunities for another business-standard carrier.
I really am surprised that the Chief Exec of CityJet describes LCY as a niche airport when it is the largest point on their network - I presume the typical Air France attitude that Paris is always the centre of the universe.
Making a feature of LCY transfers is maybe going to involve some internal rearrangements in the terminal. What chance being allowed to just run along the ramp, given that arriving Gate 8, departing Gate 9 will be a bit tedious ?
New route to Aberdeen and restoring some frequencies to Dundee (and by implication Edinburgh as well). Will Scot remain their contractor to Dundee with the Do328, getting back to the old days that seemed to work so much better ?
With the end of BMI, rolled into BA, there are obviously new opportunities for another business-standard carrier.
CityJet chief executive Christine Ourmieres told Scotland on Sunday .....despite stressing that London City would remain a “niche business airport”, she also saw scope in attracting more Scottish passengers, such as second-home owners, to transfer there to the airline’s 15 mainland Europe routes.
Making a feature of LCY transfers is maybe going to involve some internal rearrangements in the terminal. What chance being allowed to just run along the ramp, given that arriving Gate 8, departing Gate 9 will be a bit tedious ?
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LCY for sale?
The Independent reporting that LCY's incoming chief executive has been instructed to review options for sale.
London City airport owner prepares for sale - Business News - Business - The Independent
Declan Collier, who joins from Dublin airport, has been asked by Global Infrastructure Partners (GIP), which also owns Gatwick, to look at a potential sale in his first months in the job. Investment banking advisers could be selected by the end of the year.
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GIP bang out
Strange GIP haven't owned LCY for long, and not going to make a fast buck with a sale ? Maybe they know something we don't ?
Boris Island would close LCY.
LHR 3rd rwy would ease the requirement for BA to offload routes to Cityflyer to free up LHR slots thereby reducing traffic through LCY.
Maybe LCY is destined to be a premium business ( eg. BA New York ) / private jet operation with niche market but fewer pax.
Boris Island would close LCY.
LHR 3rd rwy would ease the requirement for BA to offload routes to Cityflyer to free up LHR slots thereby reducing traffic through LCY.
Maybe LCY is destined to be a premium business ( eg. BA New York ) / private jet operation with niche market but fewer pax.
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Strange GIP haven't owned LCY for long, and not going to make a fast buck with a sale ? Maybe they know something we don't ?
Boris Island would close LCY.
LHR 3rd rwy would ease the requirement for BA to offload routes to Cityflyer to free up LHR slots thereby reducing traffic through LCY.
Maybe LCY is destined to be a premium business ( eg. BA New York ) / private jet operation with niche market but fewer pax.
Boris Island would close LCY.
LHR 3rd rwy would ease the requirement for BA to offload routes to Cityflyer to free up LHR slots thereby reducing traffic through LCY.
Maybe LCY is destined to be a premium business ( eg. BA New York ) / private jet operation with niche market but fewer pax.
I wouldn't suggest bad news is around the corner. Unfortunately as business goes, your portfolio needs to be assessed on value for money and ROI, maybe LCY just isn't a top priority for GIP, or something they feel they want to spend time on. It's business. I suggest there's no bad reasoning.
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Which "carriers waiting to fly into LCY" would those be? I know the airport likes to claim that there's some huge demand out there by other airlines... but I don't see it. When a small carrier like Blue Islands can come along and promptly get well-timed am and pm slots, that just confirms for me that slot availability is not the dominant dissuasive factor for new LCY entrants. The issue is getting enough high-yield passengers to justify the sky-high (and climbing further) LCY charges. And those charges are there because GIP wants to be able to show an attractive aeronautical revenue forecast as part of the sale memorandum. For the moment, the big LCY carriers have been gritting their teeth and accepting this, but sooner or later, someone's going to give up.
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Don't see why Boris Island would close LCY, it's further away than Heathrow is .......
Flights don't make their own decisions, it's passengers that do, and apart from a handful they have voted for elsewhere to date.
maybe some of those flights would like to come to Southend