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I'm with you PAXboy.
Had to do LCY & LGW this week. Not good. The LTN route had meny regulars. Punch into the internet a few of the Financial Companies that have offices in Douglas IOM and you will find other offices in Milton Keynes, Hemel Hempstead, Stevenage etc. there is demand.
Had to do LCY & LGW this week. Not good. The LTN route had meny regulars. Punch into the internet a few of the Financial Companies that have offices in Douglas IOM and you will find other offices in Milton Keynes, Hemel Hempstead, Stevenage etc. there is demand.
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I did read somewhere that the IOM Gov might approach an airline to maybe pick it up again, as they said it was a 'disappointment' that it was dropped.
BA did the LTN with an 80....90+ seater 146, and RE with an ATR 42. Ya don't need to put a big aircraft on the route. Pax figures weren't massive, so all EMX need to do is put the 'baby dash' on the route and see how it goes.
As pabely said there is demand. And if it picks up again, put a bigger a/c on it, bobs ur uncle.
BA did the LTN with an 80....90+ seater 146, and RE with an ATR 42. Ya don't need to put a big aircraft on the route. Pax figures weren't massive, so all EMX need to do is put the 'baby dash' on the route and see how it goes.
As pabely said there is demand. And if it picks up again, put a bigger a/c on it, bobs ur uncle.
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6000 pax a month used IOM/LTN in its hayday in mid 2006...today zero where have the pax gone? No radical increase on LCY or LGW or BHX. The LTN pax was always price driven and therefore take the cheapest alternative off IOM and then whatever surface transport to their destination.
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The trouble with LTN when Manx and BACON had it were the timings.
I had great hopes when Aer Arann started the double daily but as seems to be usual with them and the IOM as soon as they had done the hard work and got the route to themselves they dropped it.
EMX could probably fit a single rotation with their current fleet but then we would be back to the problem of timings again
I had great hopes when Aer Arann started the double daily but as seems to be usual with them and the IOM as soon as they had done the hard work and got the route to themselves they dropped it.
EMX could probably fit a single rotation with their current fleet but then we would be back to the problem of timings again
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Manx Crab, ur quite right it is very much possible to fit a LTN rotation into the schedule. Just needs a slight adjustment in timings, and u can easily get one in, maybe double daily if no more rotations are added to the current timetable. Ideally what times would you prefer?
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There's demand for a Luton methinks, but not enough for more than 2 rotations a day.
One would be plenty, morning time, to get the men-in-suits over for lunchtime. And while the apron is nice 'n empty before the midday rush!
RR
One would be plenty, morning time, to get the men-in-suits over for lunchtime. And while the apron is nice 'n empty before the midday rush!
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2005 total pax figures for LTN was 31742 and for 2006 55805, so there is demand for the route indeed.
As 'RR' said a mid-mornin rotation would be gd to get the business folk down for lunch. I think the BA service worked better than the two RE services mornin and night, but there were pax on all of em. Would be nice to see the route back
As 'RR' said a mid-mornin rotation would be gd to get the business folk down for lunch. I think the BA service worked better than the two RE services mornin and night, but there were pax on all of em. Would be nice to see the route back
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Ideally for me Morning leaving IOM about 08.00 and evening returning ex LTN at about 19.30 but as you can see everybody has a different view and of course that would mean EMX would have to get another aircraft.
Anyway,hopefully the whole FLYBE/BACON thing will be sorted tomorrow
Ideally for me Morning leaving IOM about 08.00 and evening returning ex LTN at about 19.30 but as you can see everybody has a different view and of course that would mean EMX would have to get another aircraft.
Anyway,hopefully the whole FLYBE/BACON thing will be sorted tomorrow
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Aye, tis not a bad idea to have 2 flights durin the day incase u need to get back. Those times would work well. If there is demand for LTN which there is, anytime would be gd enough i guess.
Fingers crossed the Flybe/Bacon deal is done today, as I know the proposed summer schedule has been received in the IOM, but im not sure the ins and outs of it at the moment
Fingers crossed the Flybe/Bacon deal is done today, as I know the proposed summer schedule has been received in the IOM, but im not sure the ins and outs of it at the moment
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Well I C the FlyMayBe / BACond deal is now out and FlyBe ar claiming there MAN IOM timetable will be available to book in the next cuple of days. 
Whats hapened to all the rumors from the EuroManx camp that they were taking over MAN compeatley
. Seems like FlyBe have other plans
Whats hapened to all the rumors from the EuroManx camp that they were taking over MAN compeatley . Seems like FlyBe have other plans
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Rumours may be true or false, and in this case it was false. Never know how long their commitment is goin to be, might change for the winter schedule.
I do know that the BE Manchester is goin down to 4 flights mon-fri with no lunch time rotation, and changin slightly for the weekend.
I do know that the BE Manchester is goin down to 4 flights mon-fri with no lunch time rotation, and changin slightly for the weekend.
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Time must be approaching for EMX to try and expand again, they need to look for that "critical mass" which for so long has been just out of reach. This summer may be a good time to try the second base plan again, now Bacon has gone I am sure there must be gaps that can be exploited, wouldn't be suprised to see an Eastern expansion for the same reasons.
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Not a case of if Flybe are....they are puttin a EMB145 on the MAN run.
From what I've seen of the Flybe summer schedule, there isn't a lunchtime service. EMX already have the 1220 service already in there, all they need to do is put the D8-300 on the lunchtime rotation.
From what I've seen of the Flybe summer schedule, there isn't a lunchtime service. EMX already have the 1220 service already in there, all they need to do is put the D8-300 on the lunchtime rotation.
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In which case EMX81 I suggest you have a word with youre boss about strategie while the oportunitey is their
. EMB 145 into IOM will be fun on days like yesterday and Euros should have a natural advantadge. The Baby dash is old and scruffiy but at least in can get in and out
. EMB 145 into IOM will be fun on days like yesterday and Euros should have a natural advantadge. The Baby dash is old and scruffiy but at least in can get in and out
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I think EMX have had quite a few ideas on the go at the mo while waiting for BE to make their move. Im pretty sure route expansion is in there somewhere . Will be interesting to see what they come up with. The baby dash is suitable at the moment, but for the summer and the TT comin up, somethin a little bigger will be required i think.
Also, from what I know of the EMB145, IOM, and what ive heard, you can't fully load the 145. I believe 42 pax with a 'normal' amount of bags for the load is about its limit for take-off due to the runway length on the IOM.
Also, from what I know of the EMB145, IOM, and what ive heard, you can't fully load the 145. I believe 42 pax with a 'normal' amount of bags for the load is about its limit for take-off due to the runway length on the IOM.
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If I have read the various press releases correctly, then FLYBE are getting a wad of money to subsidise the operation of the EMB145's so perhaps they will not be too worried about the payload restriction if there is one.
You may also be surprised how many SLF will opt for a jet service over prop. Indeed when EMX was in fantasy mode a couple of years ago they announce they were going to offer jet service to Man to differentiate the product.
I am surprised EMX are adding another service to Man though, would have though they could make more on a route without competition eg LTN
If I have read the various press releases correctly, then FLYBE are getting a wad of money to subsidise the operation of the EMB145's so perhaps they will not be too worried about the payload restriction if there is one.
You may also be surprised how many SLF will opt for a jet service over prop. Indeed when EMX was in fantasy mode a couple of years ago they announce they were going to offer jet service to Man to differentiate the product.
I am surprised EMX are adding another service to Man though, would have though they could make more on a route without competition eg LTN
and 1 into LTN insted?