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See you have a problems with EM
Have you thought that maybe the dates you requested are close to full?
Nothing wrong with industry standard to do that. Eastern normally start with that kind of price anyway.
Also considered the fact that Emerald did not last? maybe because the pricing they were offering was unsustainable.
Just wait till next wednesday everyone, then we will know for definate the Euromanx/flybe plan.
See you have a problems with EM
Have you thought that maybe the dates you requested are close to full?
Nothing wrong with industry standard to do that. Eastern normally start with that kind of price anyway.
Also considered the fact that Emerald did not last? maybe because the pricing they were offering was unsustainable.
Just wait till next wednesday everyone, then we will know for definate the Euromanx/flybe plan.
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Hansol, fella, trust you to turn up and have another dig at the redtails. You must have a chip on yer shoulder the size of chicken rock. Rumours reaching fever pitch here on the Rock. Phew, the sweat is dripping off me and the fellas. Off to the snug for a pint of Okells.
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Rip off fares
Also, don't forget that there's no seacat service from IOM to Liverpool since that unfortunate event in the Mersey a couple of weeks ago. A day trip to Liverpool now involves an almost 24 hour round trip via Heysham.
No wonder its bend over time again
No wonder its bend over time again
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Regarding the announcement (hello by the way ppl), Euromanx are waiting to see what happens when/if the Flybe / BACon deal goes through before the announcement is made.
But as ppl have said on here, there are lots of stories going round, but some ppl are sayin the same thing. Who knows what will happen, but its all gonna happen in the next few weeks..... unless Flybe but another delay on the deal
But as ppl have said on here, there are lots of stories going round, but some ppl are sayin the same thing. Who knows what will happen, but its all gonna happen in the next few weeks..... unless Flybe but another delay on the deal
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very true sir, it is very much a case of wait and see. Everyone is currently speculating and only time will tell. I have heard however that at least 1 new route is on the cards for the redtails. Also a new plane/s
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RE: RE
Anyone think theres any likelihood of RE purchasing EMX, i heard that rumour before around a year ago.
It would seem a good partnership, with EMX already actively using a ATR72 on its IOM-LPL route, this would allow both airlines see the feasibility of operating such an aircraft on the route, and RE already serving DUB - IOM, of course, The RE name may somewhat be damagen on the Isle
It would seem a good partnership, with EMX already actively using a ATR72 on its IOM-LPL route, this would allow both airlines see the feasibility of operating such an aircraft on the route, and RE already serving DUB - IOM, of course, The RE name may somewhat be damagen on the Isle
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Very slim would be my answer RE72.
The lease contract for REJ from RE was for 18 months, which comes to an end in September this yr. From what ive heard, and i'm not the only one, EMX are goin to be looking for a replacement in the form of a Q400.
RE came and gone, couldnt compete on the LPL. They became the 3rd operator on the MAN, and that failed. LTN went very quiet and that stopped in january. Just DUB left.
EMX are goin to make moves for the good this yr, under the name of Euromanx and not Aer Arann
The lease contract for REJ from RE was for 18 months, which comes to an end in September this yr. From what ive heard, and i'm not the only one, EMX are goin to be looking for a replacement in the form of a Q400.
RE came and gone, couldnt compete on the LPL. They became the 3rd operator on the MAN, and that failed. LTN went very quiet and that stopped in january. Just DUB left.
EMX are goin to make moves for the good this yr, under the name of Euromanx and not Aer Arann
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What's the point in operating a rather expensive (acquisition cost-wise) Q400 for the short hop between IOM and LPL ? Even a brand-new ATR72-500 is a couple of million pounds cheaper than a Q400, let alone a well-maintained used example ?
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Euromanx want a standard fleet, hence the Q400, which allows for easy conversion from the 300 to the 400 series.
Heard aswell, that post Flybe / Bacon acquision there are goin to be 2 D8-300 available, so euromanx could take those on. Also heard however, all of the Bacon D8's have already been snapped up, but we shall see when it all levels out.
Fair comment Virginblue about the ATR, it is slightly more economical than the Q400, but i think with the extra seats, it would allow for extra capacity at peak times on he LPL, as for a time the 82 seat RJ's were being filled. Also, it may not be a brand new one, as there may be one available from another airline.
Heard aswell, that post Flybe / Bacon acquision there are goin to be 2 D8-300 available, so euromanx could take those on. Also heard however, all of the Bacon D8's have already been snapped up, but we shall see when it all levels out.
Fair comment Virginblue about the ATR, it is slightly more economical than the Q400, but i think with the extra seats, it would allow for extra capacity at peak times on he LPL, as for a time the 82 seat RJ's were being filled. Also, it may not be a brand new one, as there may be one available from another airline.
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under the name of Austrian Airways and not Aer Arann - sorry EMX81L fella, couldn't resist it.
But hey, lots of skeat from some newcomers who sound as if they know what there talking about. But the proof will be in the scoffing as my ganny used to say.
Whats this Q400 job a bigger one of the prop jobs the redtails run already. skiddy - youre the photo man I think, can you post us a piccy for those who haven't got there observers book of aircraft anymore.
Me and the fellas 'll chew this new stuff over in the snug tonight and let you know what we think.
But hey, lots of skeat from some newcomers who sound as if they know what there talking about. But the proof will be in the scoffing as my ganny used to say.
Whats this Q400 job a bigger one of the prop jobs the redtails run already. skiddy - youre the photo man I think, can you post us a piccy for those who haven't got there observers book of aircraft anymore.
Me and the fellas 'll chew this new stuff over in the snug tonight and let you know what we think.
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Thanks for enlighting me that the Q400 is a bigger version of the Q300 and the Q200....
The point I was making is that while it always nice to have a standardized fleet, a new Q400 is, if I remember correctly, more than 30% more expensive than an ATR72-500 if you look at the acquisition cost. Euromanx's route structure certainly does not call for the performance of the Q400 (where it has a clear advantage over the ATR), so it all comes down to fleet commonality (unless they are looking at a larger capacity aircraft also for the LCY route for which the ATR72 is not certified). Question therefore is how big is the gain you get from having 3 Dash 8 instead of 2 + 1 ATR - so that the hefty additional investment when acquiring a Q400 is justified ?
The point I was making is that while it always nice to have a standardized fleet, a new Q400 is, if I remember correctly, more than 30% more expensive than an ATR72-500 if you look at the acquisition cost. Euromanx's route structure certainly does not call for the performance of the Q400 (where it has a clear advantage over the ATR), so it all comes down to fleet commonality (unless they are looking at a larger capacity aircraft also for the LCY route for which the ATR72 is not certified). Question therefore is how big is the gain you get from having 3 Dash 8 instead of 2 + 1 ATR - so that the hefty additional investment when acquiring a Q400 is justified ?
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Depends on what kind of deal BBD are offering these days - although I thought the Q400 line was a lot busier than it used to be. Maybe the head cheeses in Montreal want to catch ATR in sales?
The other nice thing about the Q400 is it can mate with jetways - I was very surprised to walk off a Porter Q400 at YOW via jetway a few months back. In Canadian winters that's a good asset!
The other nice thing about the Q400 is it can mate with jetways - I was very surprised to walk off a Porter Q400 at YOW via jetway a few months back. In Canadian winters that's a good asset!
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ATR72 & jetways
I think these are aircraft with a forward pax door (G-HERM?). These should be cheaper to lease as they don't have a forward freight door (if my memory serves) and so are less useful for freight ops.
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Tinwald here ya go, piccy of a Flybe Q400, one of their new ones http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.p...915466&nseq=18
78 seat config, nice big hold at the back, and a hold the size of a shoe box at the front! Flybe have alot of the production slots i believe, and have received a fair few in the past month or two.
Yak97 - You are correct with regards to REJ and HERM, they both have forward pax doors, and no forward freight door. They both have a small front hold on tother side
EMX do need a large seater aircraft for the LPL, and for other routes at peak times.
I have heard that more routes for EMX are very much possible, just waiting to see what happens with the Flybe / Bacon deal first, before the redtails make their announcement, so a big a/c will come in very handy. Only time will tell, shouldnt be too far away now thou.
78 seat config, nice big hold at the back, and a hold the size of a shoe box at the front! Flybe have alot of the production slots i believe, and have received a fair few in the past month or two.
Yak97 - You are correct with regards to REJ and HERM, they both have forward pax doors, and no forward freight door. They both have a small front hold on tother side
EMX do need a large seater aircraft for the LPL, and for other routes at peak times.
I have heard that more routes for EMX are very much possible, just waiting to see what happens with the Flybe / Bacon deal first, before the redtails make their announcement, so a big a/c will come in very handy. Only time will tell, shouldnt be too far away now thou.