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Apologies if i have offended anyone regarding the 145. Im only going on information I have received. But in regards to a wet runway, and a slight crosswind, and the length on the runway on the island that will be the most common problem. Fair comment about the ballest to bring the weight back, and obviously if its out of trim then it wont be goin anywhere. This is one of the main reasons why they dont get used for passenger flights on the island already. I don't have anything against the 145, but its not the best choice, Q400 would be the way forward. Right, back onto the thread title 'Euromanx'.
Any new developments?
Any new developments?
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Blimey the cider didnt help either. What the f$%^ going on here> All the replies since that HBC fella stuck a post at teatime yesterday on about the redtails doing this and that have disappeaered.
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Treacle Cat, the worst has been 230/25-40 kts with an empty aircraft (extra mass makes it more stable) positioning for maintenance late one Friday night- so technically, yes, but only the once I have to admit. The wee girlie can be a handful when it gets very rough with the speed being up and down like a Peel girl's draws on a Friday night. Once you've flown a few approaches to RWY 33 @ BHX with anything more than a 30Kt nor westerly, you soon learn the techniques required !.
The only significant performance issue is with still air on 08 if it's wet (the displaced threshold reducing the LDA) - guess it'll be 26 for landing then on those days.
The locally based Captains (me included) who are coming back to fly the thing have contended with most if not all of the conditions that Mona's Isle can conjure up to ruin your day over the past 12-15 years, so we're well aware of the challenges ahead.
Anyway, as someone said, it's and EMX thread, so sorry for invading, but the wee lassies character was affronted and a riposte was required !.
See you on the ramp.
The only significant performance issue is with still air on 08 if it's wet (the displaced threshold reducing the LDA) - guess it'll be 26 for landing then on those days.
The locally based Captains (me included) who are coming back to fly the thing have contended with most if not all of the conditions that Mona's Isle can conjure up to ruin your day over the past 12-15 years, so we're well aware of the challenges ahead.
Anyway, as someone said, it's and EMX thread, so sorry for invading, but the wee lassies character was affronted and a riposte was required !.
See you on the ramp.
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Treaclecat, I think you have the wrong end of the stick there. Captain H was referring to the Barbie Jet when he talks abot the wee lassie. So untangle your jock-strap and relax! Or should that be G-string? 
Wonder if Euromanx wanna buy some surplus Barbie's? They'd look mighty fine with red tails.
skiddy
Wonder if Euromanx wanna buy some surplus Barbie's? They'd look mighty fine with red tails.
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need a barbie jet
skiddy I think the red tails will need a one of your Barbie Jets after TT
Theyve just added a Forth MAN rot on MONs and FRIs on there website. Good move.
Unfortunitely the MAN aircraft is still timetabeled to be in BHD at the same time
and the other two are in LPL and LCY . OOps....................
whose goin to tell the pax
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Theyve just added a Forth MAN rot on MONs and FRIs on there website. Good move. Unfortunitely the MAN aircraft is still timetabeled to be in BHD at the same time and the other two are in LPL and LCY . OOps.................... whose goin to tell the pax .
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BE will do the summer schedule and cut right back come the winter. If they are still here in strength in October I'll be surprised.
EM will still be here and will hopefully be able to expand.
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EM will still be here and will hopefully be able to expand.
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Hansol fella. Weve lined up the beer mats and reckon that there have been 8 runs to and from Manchester for ages with the redtails running 3 and those bacons running 5 so we don't reckon one more will do much harm. Coarse, those bacon jets must burning pound notes in those engines for a littel run to Manchester.
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Tinwald, fuel burns.
The Dash 8 300 still air plan shows a burn of 392Kg and a worse case flight time of 36 mins MAN-IOM for 50 seats sold. The E145 has figures of 526Kg and 30 Mins for 49 seats. So the jet is 6 mins quicker and 134 Kg thirstier.
Now, jet fuel is about 30 per litre (the last I heard).So, worst case its about £50 more in gas per trip - about one passenger fare. The quicker flight time means more rotations/maintenance input - so that will counter it somewhat.
It's not that more expensive in the scheme of things.
The Dash 8 300 still air plan shows a burn of 392Kg and a worse case flight time of 36 mins MAN-IOM for 50 seats sold. The E145 has figures of 526Kg and 30 Mins for 49 seats. So the jet is 6 mins quicker and 134 Kg thirstier.
Now, jet fuel is about 30 per litre (the last I heard).So, worst case its about £50 more in gas per trip - about one passenger fare. The quicker flight time means more rotations/maintenance input - so that will counter it somewhat.
It's not that more expensive in the scheme of things.
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Don't forget though that WW gave Flybe a load of cash to subsidise the 145's and looking at the fares they are not ludicrously cheap to Man either.
I hope EMX have the finance to last out, although they should be making good money on LCY and LPL a the moment. It would be nice to have two settled airlines operating a variety of routes to the island at reasonable (not giveaway) fares
I hope EMX have the finance to last out, although they should be making good money on LCY and LPL a the moment. It would be nice to have two settled airlines operating a variety of routes to the island at reasonable (not giveaway) fares
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Expensive business this flying isn't it !.
Using the same rationale, the figure will be reduced somewhat by the 364 hours less on the airframe each year and the reduction in DOC there - no idea what that value is, but I know how much it costs to hire a PA28 an hour dry !.
The Embraer is slated to change to a Q400 in the new year, so it's only a short term expense - would have thought some of the £125 million that BA are giving FlyBE could be used to cover it.
Using the same rationale, the figure will be reduced somewhat by the 364 hours less on the airframe each year and the reduction in DOC there - no idea what that value is, but I know how much it costs to hire a PA28 an hour dry !.
The Embraer is slated to change to a Q400 in the new year, so it's only a short term expense - would have thought some of the £125 million that BA are giving FlyBE could be used to cover it.
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You can work out the cost of the aircraft as much as you want, the big question is can you put enough bums on seats at the right price? 8 x say 40 = 320 return pax a day at say 70% break even = 224 return per day, its a tall order, especially as you don't want to knacker up LPL with a price war on MAN.
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Euromanx v Flybe
Early indications at IOM is that Euromanx appear to be higher priority than Flybe as far as Flight Support is concerned.
All 3W flights look to be operating more or less on time,Flybe on the other hand suffering continuing delays.
Could this be part of a greater Euromanx/Flight Support plot to discredit Flybe as early as possible.Or is there some other reason????
All 3W flights look to be operating more or less on time,Flybe on the other hand suffering continuing delays.
Could this be part of a greater Euromanx/Flight Support plot to discredit Flybe as early as possible.Or is there some other reason????