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[quote]They did try to sell Humberside as they couldn't see that as viable for expansion.[/QUOTE
I think it was more an excersise in seeing what they could get for it, obviously didnt get the offers they would have liked. I hear Tony Lavan has turned it around, despite the doom and gloom a couple of years ago. There is rumoured to be some expansion from BE at HUY next year so they obviously are seeing expansion (in terms of flights) as viable otherwise they wouldnt be working hard to attract them.
Not sure how it works at BOH, but HUY was until recently in profit and im told that was largely down the the low overheads of running the place. HUY and BOH can draw on a pool of experience too, so doubting MAG too much is a little naive.
I think it was more an excersise in seeing what they could get for it, obviously didnt get the offers they would have liked. I hear Tony Lavan has turned it around, despite the doom and gloom a couple of years ago. There is rumoured to be some expansion from BE at HUY next year so they obviously are seeing expansion (in terms of flights) as viable otherwise they wouldnt be working hard to attract them.
Not sure how it works at BOH, but HUY was until recently in profit and im told that was largely down the the low overheads of running the place. HUY and BOH can draw on a pool of experience too, so doubting MAG too much is a little naive.
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It also says something that Easyjet have never tried basing an aircraft in Bournemouth. They could probably make the basic routes such as Belfast, Glasgow I, Edinburgh, Newcastle and possibly some city/bucket and spade routes such as Amsterdam, Milan, Barcelona etc. Instead, they have tried the much desired routes of Krakow, Grenoble and Murcia (admittingly, would have made good business but surely not on top of the want list )
However, With Bristol now being one of the largest non London networks in their network, could it be that the likelihood of Easyjet basing aircraft in BOH has gone?I say this not pessimistically, but it would look like that if they set up at Hurn, it would just be the some domestics that would be there for the same reason as Flybe's Manchester flight:to try and mark the territory without any real intention of expanding and not doing it for the benefits of Bournemouth and its cachement?
However, With Bristol now being one of the largest non London networks in their network, could it be that the likelihood of Easyjet basing aircraft in BOH has gone?I say this not pessimistically, but it would look like that if they set up at Hurn, it would just be the some domestics that would be there for the same reason as Flybe's Manchester flight:to try and mark the territory without any real intention of expanding and not doing it for the benefits of Bournemouth and its cachement?
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3rd Rock from the sun i am sure has been on here with other user names and got booted off. Your post was going ok till the last paragraph.
BOH could support 4-5 based aircraft, serving domestic and European routes without having a detrimental effect on SOU or BRS. ( very few people from South East Dorset use BRS...it has worse access than even BOH !). The trouble in the past has been the wrong type of aircraft ( 737-800 far too large for domestic routes) and some strange routes ( Krakow,Grenoble,Hahn, Katowice).
I am sure MAG will get its act together over the next 2-3 years and BOH will develop again. 3 million passengers a year was too high a forecast but can see a steady 2 million in the next five years.
BOH could support 4-5 based aircraft, serving domestic and European routes without having a detrimental effect on SOU or BRS. ( very few people from South East Dorset use BRS...it has worse access than even BOH !). The trouble in the past has been the wrong type of aircraft ( 737-800 far too large for domestic routes) and some strange routes ( Krakow,Grenoble,Hahn, Katowice).
I am sure MAG will get its act together over the next 2-3 years and BOH will develop again. 3 million passengers a year was too high a forecast but can see a steady 2 million in the next five years.
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Definately been on here before. You need to have a little bit of respect and post something which is at least slightly constructive 3rd Rock, unless you're just out to wind people up! Not a good start I'm afraid.
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P.S If I lived in Bournemouth, I might take your post as an insult, but that's just me.
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P.S If I lived in Bournemouth, I might take your post as an insult, but that's just me.
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And back to the actual thread !
Ryanair flights not on sale yet , hopefully very soon
I wonder if Bournemouth will get a second aircraft again or may be Ryanair will operate a lot more W patterns ?
Missing Malta , Dublin and Valencia at moment not sure which route will make up the 13 routes to go on sale , suspect it will be Malta
Ryanair flights not on sale yet , hopefully very soon
I wonder if Bournemouth will get a second aircraft again or may be Ryanair will operate a lot more W patterns ?
Missing Malta , Dublin and Valencia at moment not sure which route will make up the 13 routes to go on sale , suspect it will be Malta
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3rd rock from the sun is a) wrong in parts and b) behaving suspiciously like teleparty/second coming (same member - firmly banned, who targeted threads about airports such as Norwich, Southend and Manston. Bournemouth was probably high on the hit list 
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Good to see that Ryanair are returning to Bournemouth, without which it would have trouble justifying itself financially. Just wish it could have easyJet back as their southern base! With some decent advertising one could draw people from Southampton, which added to the markets already existing in Bournemouth and Poole would create something which was much more viable
)Good to see that Ryanair are returning to Bournemouth, without which it would have trouble justifying itself financially. Just wish it could have easyJet back as their southern base! With some decent advertising one could draw people from Southampton, which added to the markets already existing in Bournemouth and Poole would create something which was much more viable
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My sentiments exactly Aeromad on everything. People/Airlines have to see Bournemouth for Bournemouth and the local region, not as Southampton West in some cases, aiming to fill all the gaps that Southampton can't fill ie Air Berlin only relocating their PAD service to BOH because of the runway lengths.
As it has been pointed out, the MAG group wouldn't have invested as great a sum of money as they did (£45 million region) if they didn't see potential. Bournemouth could quite easily sustain an easyjet base with 3 or 4 aircraft to many destinations, both business and leisure and build a reputation for being a great server of the region, unlike Ryanair who have chopped and changed with their Trial and Error system.
But maybe Goldsmith can look for a couple of European carriers to come into Bournemouth like Germanwings or Vueling who could easily sustain 3 or 4x weekly flights in the summer into Madrid or Cologne.
Maybe its time for the teams at Bournemouth and MAG to stop waiting over what Ryanair may or may not do and get off their arses and expand the net a little bit. Bournemouth has done well to keep the rate of decline as low as possible during the recession (19.5%)-BUT THE RECESSION HAS NOW FINISHED!!!
It has potential, but give it a bit of time and wait and then something good will happen to it!!!
As it has been pointed out, the MAG group wouldn't have invested as great a sum of money as they did (£45 million region) if they didn't see potential. Bournemouth could quite easily sustain an easyjet base with 3 or 4 aircraft to many destinations, both business and leisure and build a reputation for being a great server of the region, unlike Ryanair who have chopped and changed with their Trial and Error system.
But maybe Goldsmith can look for a couple of European carriers to come into Bournemouth like Germanwings or Vueling who could easily sustain 3 or 4x weekly flights in the summer into Madrid or Cologne.
Maybe its time for the teams at Bournemouth and MAG to stop waiting over what Ryanair may or may not do and get off their arses and expand the net a little bit. Bournemouth has done well to keep the rate of decline as low as possible during the recession (19.5%)-BUT THE RECESSION HAS NOW FINISHED!!!
It has potential, but give it a bit of time and wait and then something good will happen to it!!!
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You mention a good point. I believe that if the MAG bods get there srtategies correct BOH could easily take a bite out of SOU`s tail. Flights at the right prices at the right times to the right destinations. Has anyone thought about Jet2?. People seem to think that the catchment area for BOH isn't all that good. Well I beg to differ. I would actually say that given the right price and destinations I think we could see people travelling from at least 2 to 2,5 hours away. Thats quite a radius. In addition I would do it. Within 2.5 hours you have EXT, BRS, LHR, LGW, SOU, Most of these have Lcc except LHR. I'm not sure of other LCC's flying from these except that Easy and FR at BRS, Flybe at EXT and SOU. So BOU could quite easily get someone like for example Jet2. And let us not forget that originally Jet2 was the Channel express that was based at BOH for many years.
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Jet2 operated BOH-BFS back in 2005 and actually load factors were not crazy low - they were around 60-65%. August 2005 over 5,500 pax were carried between the two. I believe yields were low though.
Its hardly a route that shows the potential that BOH has though. So it would be a shame if they never consider anything else.
its so strange how so many airlines have explored BOH but doing 'strange' routes or strange frequencies like Jet2 (BFS), Air Berlin (PAD), Wizz (KTW, KRK, GDK), bmibaby (JER), Flybe (MAN), easyJet (KRK, GNB)
Its hardly a route that shows the potential that BOH has though. So it would be a shame if they never consider anything else.
its so strange how so many airlines have explored BOH but doing 'strange' routes or strange frequencies like Jet2 (BFS), Air Berlin (PAD), Wizz (KTW, KRK, GDK), bmibaby (JER), Flybe (MAN), easyJet (KRK, GNB)
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Does anyone know if KLM have ever been approached to operate from Bournemouth? It would be ideal for the following reasons:
Significant inbound potential in the summer from overseas foreign students - they have money and usually fly in on Alitalia, Iberia, Lufthansa and then bus down from LHR. Fly into Bournemouth via Amsterdam instead.
Significant outbound potential from the Bournemouth catchment to world-wide destinations during the winter when Bournemouth's service industry is in quiet mode.
Southampton, Portsmouth, Isle of White, Exeter catchments would also be attracted by a Bournemouth KLM operation. The only other option would be BRS or LHR.
I could see a 3 times daily ERJ-190 operation being entirely viable.
Significant inbound potential in the summer from overseas foreign students - they have money and usually fly in on Alitalia, Iberia, Lufthansa and then bus down from LHR. Fly into Bournemouth via Amsterdam instead.
Significant outbound potential from the Bournemouth catchment to world-wide destinations during the winter when Bournemouth's service industry is in quiet mode.
Southampton, Portsmouth, Isle of White, Exeter catchments would also be attracted by a Bournemouth KLM operation. The only other option would be BRS or LHR.
I could see a 3 times daily ERJ-190 operation being entirely viable.
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Catchment Area's and Airlines
Its quite clear that BOH has plenty of potential, knowing the airport very well from both an aviation (having worked there many years ago) and personal interest, there is much that could be done - new lighting, new category, new and updated nav-aids and a possible potential to reach the London TMA begs the question - How soon can MAG/MADL get the marketing correct and promote the airport? There has never been much marketing to my knowledge, but NOW there is ample opportunity and the potential to get it right. Carriers such as Jet2, BMIBaby, FlyBe, Eastern, Easyjet, Monarch (long and short haul [within reason and airport limitations]), Thomas Cook, Air France (commuter), KLM all could have a bite of the cherry. I believe much more could have been done to avoid the disparity and lack of movements throughout these winter months, but unless the marketing is well researched and targeting accurate this may well be seen as the weakest link and the airport as only a seasonal operation which with the investment so far would be a very big mistake. I don't know what the answer is - but Bournemouth is worth its weight in gold and could be a proper little earner - in hindsight, pity the local authorities didn't see that potential back in the Carroll Group (plans) Days (late 80's), being more concerned about the noise footprint, arrival and departure patterns - extremely short-sighted - unfortunately this still raises its head, yet those who complain STILL want to travel from BOH, and if they couldn't they would be the first to complain, you just can't win - we've had travellers from the Midlands, Bristol, Cardiff, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall who prefer the ease of passage to the gates offered by BOH, but how long this can last begs further questions. Another example the other week was where the hydraulic failure lead to a diversion to BOH from SOU and again proves a point, SOU is showing its age and its limitations - don't get me wrong I've worked there also, but how long can it exist in its present form, what if any expansion options are there, and with a massive investment in ERJ's FlyBe may need a better base.
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I can't see Flybe basing aircraft at BOH, especially while Ryanair are starting up again. Also, during the recent bad weather, the airport didn't exactly come up trumps for Flybe. It allowed the diversions in, but they were then grounded for days until the rain came down to melt the snow and ice that was preventing the airport from opening. They didn't even attempt to clear any of the snow that fell within the a/c footprint so even if the taxiways and runway were clear the a/c couldn't have gone anywhere. The snow/ice clearing facilities at BOH are not up to scratch and, as bad weather seems to be all the more common, will not endear themselves to potential new operators. BOH had amongst the least amounts of snow for any airport in the UK, and yet was one of the last to open. As I said before, if you don't have the infrastructure to support the nice new terminal, no-one will use it. There has been a lot of investment recently in BOH airport, but has it all been in the correct areas?
With regards to Jet2 coming back to BOH, I can't see it myself. The airport has never done Jet2 any favours and will not offer them the same sort of deals that they offer Ryanair.
What the airport needs to do is to target a diverse range of operators. Instead of pitting 2 charter companies against each other, why didn't the airport and current charter operator come up with a plan that would increase capacity to pick up a bit of the slack that Palmair have left and get them to bring in another a/c (or even operate a few W patterns to increase capacity). They should also perhaps go back to Blue Islands, eat a bit of humble pie and try to get them to start operating out of BOH again (whilst promising not to drive them out again). Ryanair coming back to BOH is good for the airport, but don't offer them everything at the expense of the other airport users. Also, a regional airline offering some city routes which allow ongoing connections would be a good idea, as long as the feeder flights are timed correctly.
With regards to Jet2 coming back to BOH, I can't see it myself. The airport has never done Jet2 any favours and will not offer them the same sort of deals that they offer Ryanair.
What the airport needs to do is to target a diverse range of operators. Instead of pitting 2 charter companies against each other, why didn't the airport and current charter operator come up with a plan that would increase capacity to pick up a bit of the slack that Palmair have left and get them to bring in another a/c (or even operate a few W patterns to increase capacity). They should also perhaps go back to Blue Islands, eat a bit of humble pie and try to get them to start operating out of BOH again (whilst promising not to drive them out again). Ryanair coming back to BOH is good for the airport, but don't offer them everything at the expense of the other airport users. Also, a regional airline offering some city routes which allow ongoing connections would be a good idea, as long as the feeder flights are timed correctly.
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Dear I say it, but if Blue Islands are sensible (which I suspect they will be), they will never return to BOU. Southampton offers great train/plane connections so that SOU can act as a London airport for those going to Jersey and Guernsey. Alderney - Bournemouth is a possibility, as they'll never get the license on Alderney - Southampton.
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To be honest, and this is merely my opinion - I think the only two "big" players would have to be Ryanair and Easyjet. The charters could, but they would only be seasonal. If they want an all-year carrier, then I would say FR or EZY.
If they both went to popular destinations, and with a strategic marketing plan; I don't see any reason why people would not use Bournemouth! I only go to STN because the flights are a) cheaper and b) not offered in BOH.
I wonder will SOU expand or renovate? This would have a huge impact into Bournemouth if they did! Just a thought...
If they both went to popular destinations, and with a strategic marketing plan; I don't see any reason why people would not use Bournemouth! I only go to STN because the flights are a) cheaper and b) not offered in BOH.
I wonder will SOU expand or renovate? This would have a huge impact into Bournemouth if they did! Just a thought...
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'I wonder will SOU expand or renovate? This would have a huge impact into Bournemouth if they did! Just a thought...'
bit puzzled as to the recent comments about southampton been old, and then this one about it needing to be renovated!! The departure lounge and cafe/bar upstairs were only refitted this year!. All the roofing was replaced last year. Where are these un-informed comments all coming from, and why? this is a Bournemouth thread, not a lets take a pop at sou thread. Sou does what it does very well, has the perfect airline in the shape of flybe for the market it has aimed itself at. It certainly appears to be a lot of jeaslousy from a few people on here talking about biting a piece from Sou's tail, or the runway isnt long enough because a flight had to divert due to flap failure. I am sure there are numourous airports that have flights regulary that if there was a problem such as flap failure the flight would have to divert. I think someone mentioned easyjet and Bristol as an example. Sou certainly benefits from having Bournemouth close by as it provides a perfect backup for things like that, or bad weather.. There is no argument that the ILS at Sou been uncatorgorised is bad, but I am sure if Flybe were that bothered they would be banging on BAA's door a lot more than they seem to be!!
It is good news that Ryanair are coming back to BOH for next summer, but I am still not convinced that Ryanair really are that interested in BOH. Maybe the BOH passengers are too used to really cheap fares, and thus any airline that wants to make decent yields (Not large passenger numbers) cannot get the business there to do that there.. just a thought but look at the number of airlines that have tried and now left..
bit puzzled as to the recent comments about southampton been old, and then this one about it needing to be renovated!! The departure lounge and cafe/bar upstairs were only refitted this year!. All the roofing was replaced last year. Where are these un-informed comments all coming from, and why? this is a Bournemouth thread, not a lets take a pop at sou thread. Sou does what it does very well, has the perfect airline in the shape of flybe for the market it has aimed itself at. It certainly appears to be a lot of jeaslousy from a few people on here talking about biting a piece from Sou's tail, or the runway isnt long enough because a flight had to divert due to flap failure. I am sure there are numourous airports that have flights regulary that if there was a problem such as flap failure the flight would have to divert. I think someone mentioned easyjet and Bristol as an example. Sou certainly benefits from having Bournemouth close by as it provides a perfect backup for things like that, or bad weather.. There is no argument that the ILS at Sou been uncatorgorised is bad, but I am sure if Flybe were that bothered they would be banging on BAA's door a lot more than they seem to be!!
It is good news that Ryanair are coming back to BOH for next summer, but I am still not convinced that Ryanair really are that interested in BOH. Maybe the BOH passengers are too used to really cheap fares, and thus any airline that wants to make decent yields (Not large passenger numbers) cannot get the business there to do that there.. just a thought but look at the number of airlines that have tried and now left..