BOURNEMOUTH - 2
May as well say airport charges are FREE for everyone - at least they will get some pax volumes in and can start to claw back some of the investment.
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Pax spend in the terminal: Duty free, coffee shops, newsagents, restaurants, travel agents, foreign exchange facilities, entertainment centres.
Pax spend to//from airport: Car hire, bus, taxi, car-parking
Auxillary services spend: Servisair, Fuel, airport security, customs
The income & added prosperity from the above will be enough to support the passenger side of the airport through a short to mid-term tough period and allow the airport to pass on FREE landing fees and passenger departure charges directly to the airlines.
If the airport don't understand this [fine balance] then its no wonder they are facing a 'no flights a day' situation.
Airports like BOH (with poor infrastructure/access/catchment) cannot afford to charge landing/parking/passenger fees if they expect 3m passengers a year.
Pax spend to//from airport: Car hire, bus, taxi, car-parking
Auxillary services spend: Servisair, Fuel, airport security, customs
The income & added prosperity from the above will be enough to support the passenger side of the airport through a short to mid-term tough period and allow the airport to pass on FREE landing fees and passenger departure charges directly to the airlines.
If the airport don't understand this [fine balance] then its no wonder they are facing a 'no flights a day' situation.
Airports like BOH (with poor infrastructure/access/catchment) cannot afford to charge landing/parking/passenger fees if they expect 3m passengers a year.
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Aer Lingus Regional
Surely they could at least have brought in Aer Arann (Aer Lingus Regional) to plug the gap left by the Ryanair withdrawal of the Dublin route. Dublin has been Bournemouth's longest running route and one of the busiest. If the likes of Aer Arann were tempted by Blackpool, Durham and Doncaster, why have Bournemouth not managed to also keep Dublin?
Is it Because Ryanair keeps coming out with statements like 'we remain committed to Bournemouth' thus scaring off the competition and meanwhile Ryanair have no intention of remaining committed to Bournemouth.
Is it Because Ryanair keeps coming out with statements like 'we remain committed to Bournemouth' thus scaring off the competition and meanwhile Ryanair have no intention of remaining committed to Bournemouth.
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If the likes of Aer Arann were tempted by Blackpool, Durham and Doncaster, why have Bournemouth not managed to also keep Dublin?
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I think the statements "We're committed to Bournemouth than ever before!" are going to wear out soon! I would of thought MAG are trying to get Easyjet or another big name in there to kick start things! Clearly not...
I'd say Flybe might come in and offer some more "sun" routes to make way for some city routes from Southampton, but that could go the other way round! The potential for them is huge - they could capture a huge audience with flights going from both Bournemouth and Southampton.
Ryanair probably won't come back judging by the fact there are still no flights after March! Where ever other base has tickets for sale!
I'd say Flybe might come in and offer some more "sun" routes to make way for some city routes from Southampton, but that could go the other way round! The potential for them is huge - they could capture a huge audience with flights going from both Bournemouth and Southampton.
Ryanair probably won't come back judging by the fact there are still no flights after March! Where ever other base has tickets for sale!
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Childish debate
We are not daft. We are here to make money. BOH, although good for us, can only work with ultra low fares. We remain interested in serving the people of BOH and the surrounding area. But is the airport interested in us?
The only airline that is viable for an airport like BOH is Ryanair. We have lower fares than Flybe, we have lower costs. We have a bigger 'pull' factor making BOH's catchment larger than it would otherwise be.
I challenge any other airline out there to make BOH work on as big a scale as we could - IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. Without Ryanair, BOH will plod along at 250,000 passengers a year.
The sooner the management team at BOH/MAG realize this the better. I have personally said this many times on this forum. It comes down to costs. Where else can we make more money. Until we see either the airport reducing fees or the government getting rid of the departure tax, the BOH routes will not be viable. BOH needs the passenger volumes, and we stand ready to provide them. Only we can deliver the 1.75m-2m passengers a year that BOH needs.
The only airline that is viable for an airport like BOH is Ryanair. We have lower fares than Flybe, we have lower costs. We have a bigger 'pull' factor making BOH's catchment larger than it would otherwise be.
I challenge any other airline out there to make BOH work on as big a scale as we could - IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. Without Ryanair, BOH will plod along at 250,000 passengers a year.
The sooner the management team at BOH/MAG realize this the better. I have personally said this many times on this forum. It comes down to costs. Where else can we make more money. Until we see either the airport reducing fees or the government getting rid of the departure tax, the BOH routes will not be viable. BOH needs the passenger volumes, and we stand ready to provide them. Only we can deliver the 1.75m-2m passengers a year that BOH needs.
Pax spend in the terminal: Duty free, coffee shops, newsagents, restaurants, travel agents, foreign exchange facilities, entertainment centres.
Pax spend to//from airport: Car hire, bus, taxi, car-parking
Auxillary services spend: Servisair, Fuel, airport security, customs
Pax spend to//from airport: Car hire, bus, taxi, car-parking
Auxillary services spend: Servisair, Fuel, airport security, customs
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ryanair1, I do have to take issue with some of what you are saying. Ryanair are not 'ready to serve the people of BOH' like some sort of superhero. They are in it for there own profit and nothing else!. The airport has bent over backwards at times to give ryanair whatever concession they want, sometimes to the detriment of the other operators at the airport! The airport charged them less, installed Cat3 at ryanairs insistence (although this benefits everyone, was it at a cost that the airport could truly afford?), has given them priority with the (free?) office accomodation (which even now ryanair refuse to move out of even though they have no crew/engineers using it), gave them priority stands over other operators, and even at times ryanair was given push back clearance from ATC even when they had doors open, steps attached and other a/c were ready to push! Even the handlers would give ryanair priority over other operators
I think it is only fair that the airport charges ryanair the same as all other operators and doesn't 'agree' or is held to ransom on another 'special deal'. I must agree though, the passenger tax is disgraceful. Also, in fairness, you are lower cost than Flybe.
The sooner Ryanair make it public that they are washing there hands of BOH, the sooner other airlines will look at the airport as a viable option.
I think it is only fair that the airport charges ryanair the same as all other operators and doesn't 'agree' or is held to ransom on another 'special deal'. I must agree though, the passenger tax is disgraceful. Also, in fairness, you are lower cost than Flybe.
The sooner Ryanair make it public that they are washing there hands of BOH, the sooner other airlines will look at the airport as a viable option.
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They may not own them but rest assured they are doing something very badly wrong if they do not make money out of them!!
I won't go into specifics but as landlords they will be doing OK on that front.
It stands to reason however, the more passengers you have, the better everyone will do financially.
They may not own them but rest assured they are doing something very badly wrong if they do not make money out of them!!
I won't go into specifics but as landlords they will be doing OK on that front.
It stands to reason however, the more passengers you have, the better everyone will do financially.
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Ryanair1, I recently booked my summer flights and Flybe from Southampton was the same price (actually cheaper, as I paid by Visa and I am taking a bag) as you from London Stansted! For the majority of flights I have taken, STN is the cheapest option although that is now changing with some excellent fares from Easyjet at LGW!
I do agree, Ryanair are one of the big names and could bring in the passengers. I know many, myself included, who drive to Stansted to get a cheap flight and none of us would be described as in the catchment area, so yes the BOH area would be "bigger" But Ryanair have an empty airport and won't exploit this fact!
I hope something does get sorted as it would be a shame to see BOH just become a very expensive, modern, one-flight-a-day airport.
I do agree, Ryanair are one of the big names and could bring in the passengers. I know many, myself included, who drive to Stansted to get a cheap flight and none of us would be described as in the catchment area, so yes the BOH area would be "bigger" But Ryanair have an empty airport and won't exploit this fact!
I hope something does get sorted as it would be a shame to see BOH just become a very expensive, modern, one-flight-a-day airport.
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Ryanair 1 is right !
I never thought I would be saying this, but Ryanair is spot on.
If BOH / MAG can't attract other operators then they should back peddle faster than a polititcian and give Ryanair whatever it takes to get them bringing PAX back to Bournemouth.
Ryanair offer the only credible opposition to FlyBe and who are not going to move from SOU in a million years, ( except when an A/C is likely to crash then they divert to BOH
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Like Curry's pay your VAT, why don't BOH pay Ryanairs passenger air duty tax ( and the other operators as well, or that would be unfair ) ( like that's never happened before !! )
Let's face it the situation is desperate and calls for action now or BOH will be a Bigger white elephant than the spanking new one the put up on Montreal's doorstep that is now abandoned.
If BOH / MAG can't attract other operators then they should back peddle faster than a polititcian and give Ryanair whatever it takes to get them bringing PAX back to Bournemouth.
Ryanair offer the only credible opposition to FlyBe and who are not going to move from SOU in a million years, ( except when an A/C is likely to crash then they divert to BOH
)Like Curry's pay your VAT, why don't BOH pay Ryanairs passenger air duty tax ( and the other operators as well, or that would be unfair ) ( like that's never happened before !! )
Let's face it the situation is desperate and calls for action now or BOH will be a Bigger white elephant than the spanking new one the put up on Montreal's doorstep that is now abandoned.
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''Like Curry's pay your VAT, why don't BOH pay Ryanairs passenger air duty tax ( and the other operators as well, or that would be unfair ) ( like that's never happened before !! )''
How much do you think the airport actually earns from each passenger?
Paying the duty on each passenger may well produce a loss. The airport only makes a profit from car parking and spend in the terminal. The airports passenger number projections were always way too optimistic, projected almost on a straight line from the late 90's, as if things could just expand forever using a credit economy. It has a small catchment, in a small country overrun with regional airports. It will never reach 3 million passengers, even if the economy does grow again there are too many factors against such growth in aviation- oil costs, environmental concerns, noise issues etc
A moderate growth with one or two low cost routes will keep it ticking over nicely.
How much do you think the airport actually earns from each passenger?
Paying the duty on each passenger may well produce a loss. The airport only makes a profit from car parking and spend in the terminal. The airports passenger number projections were always way too optimistic, projected almost on a straight line from the late 90's, as if things could just expand forever using a credit economy. It has a small catchment, in a small country overrun with regional airports. It will never reach 3 million passengers, even if the economy does grow again there are too many factors against such growth in aviation- oil costs, environmental concerns, noise issues etc
A moderate growth with one or two low cost routes will keep it ticking over nicely.
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Looking on the brightside, Bournemouth took in a few diversions from the clearly unfit for purpose Southampton, who had a little bit of mist, thus rendering its uncategorised ILS useless.
Flybes were dropping passengers off, who were bussed to Eastleigh, before taking off for elsewhere.
Flybes were dropping passengers off, who were bussed to Eastleigh, before taking off for elsewhere.
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I don't think 200 meters vis with RVR of 225m in freezing fog was "a little bit of mist". You will find that Bournemouth, at one point, had similar weather thereby rendering it's CATII ILS useless.
Stop being silly.
Stop being silly.
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Looking on the brightside, Bournemouth took in a few diversions from the clearly unfit for purpose Southampton, who had a little bit of mist, thus rendering its uncategorised ILS useless.
Flybes were dropping passengers off, who were bussed to Eastleigh, before taking off for elsewhere.
Flybes were dropping passengers off, who were bussed to Eastleigh, before taking off for elsewhere.
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Your point is moot.
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IF the crew and aircraft were certified as CATIII. Some of the diversions were from SOU which would indicate that it was Flybe who are currently, only certified to CATII.
So no, you would not have been able to "take them".
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would have been able to take them!
So no, you would not have been able to "take them".
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ooh hit a nerve! Just trolling the doomsayers!
What about a Dash 8 landing without flaps? For that you need length. Something else Southampton hasn't got.
It's all a temporary blip with recession etc, MAG wouldn't throw away money if they didn't think that Bournemouth wasn't viable. They did try to sell Humberside as they couldn't see that as viable for expansion. Bournemouth would have gone the same way years ago if it wasn't for MAG's belief.
Keeping the faith.
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What about a Dash 8 landing without flaps? For that you need length. Something else Southampton hasn't got.
It's all a temporary blip with recession etc, MAG wouldn't throw away money if they didn't think that Bournemouth wasn't viable. They did try to sell Humberside as they couldn't see that as viable for expansion. Bournemouth would have gone the same way years ago if it wasn't for MAG's belief.
Keeping the faith.
PT