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One thing is certain, the practice of EI pilots staying in top class hotels when based in Cork will end if MOL gets control.
Glad to see it's likely to end in any event as it does add to the expense of operating out of Cork and make routes less profitable. I'm not blaming the pilots for this, its was just part of the culture of the company.
Glad to see it's likely to end in any event as it does add to the expense of operating out of Cork and make routes less profitable. I'm not blaming the pilots for this, its was just part of the culture of the company.
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More negative press coverage in the Irish Examiner re the new terminal at Cork
25 October 2006
Airport bosses face criticism over operations
By Eoin English
MANAGERS at Cork Airport will be asked to defend operations at their new terminal building following a wave of public criticism.
The South West Regional Authority (SWRA) agreed yesterday to invite airport management to the next meeting of its airport’s consultative committee to discuss a range of issues.
The authority, which advises on development issues and strategic planning matters for Cork and Kerry, also plans to invite the chief executive of the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) to attend amid concerns that the Cork Airport Authority (CAA) still does not have enough control over operations at Cork Airport.
SWRA members raised a number of concerns about operations at the airport during their monthly meeting yesterday.
It follows the publication of a number of letters in the Irish Examiner in recent weeks from members of the public unhappy with having to walk in the rain from the new terminal building to aircraft parked some distance away.
Councillor Kevin Murphy (FG) said he knew of a woman who damaged her arm after she was knocked down by a gust of wind while walking across the apron in the rain to a waiting aircraft.
She was drenched by the time she got onto the plane, he said.
However, when she got to her destination in Spain, she was able to use an airbridge to get to the terminal building, he said.
Mr Murphy, whose son uses a wheelchair, also criticised the way disabled passengers were being treated during boarding and disembarkation, especially during wet weather.
Cllr Derry Canty (FG) criticised airlines for not using the only airbridge which has been installed at the terminal.
SWRA director John McAleer said Ryanair has no problem using airbridges at Malaga airport.
Cllr Tom O’Driscoll (FF) said as far as he was aware, the airbridge at Cork has not been used since the new terminal opened.
He singled out Aer Lingus, one of the biggest carriers at the airport, for not using the facility.
Meanwhile, Cllr Jerry Buttimer said residents in Cork’s western suburbs have expressed concerns at an increase in the number of flights over the area.
SWRA chairman Michael Connor again called on the Government to honour its pledge on the airport’s debt issue.
25 October 2006
Airport bosses face criticism over operations
By Eoin English
MANAGERS at Cork Airport will be asked to defend operations at their new terminal building following a wave of public criticism.
The South West Regional Authority (SWRA) agreed yesterday to invite airport management to the next meeting of its airport’s consultative committee to discuss a range of issues.
The authority, which advises on development issues and strategic planning matters for Cork and Kerry, also plans to invite the chief executive of the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) to attend amid concerns that the Cork Airport Authority (CAA) still does not have enough control over operations at Cork Airport.
SWRA members raised a number of concerns about operations at the airport during their monthly meeting yesterday.
It follows the publication of a number of letters in the Irish Examiner in recent weeks from members of the public unhappy with having to walk in the rain from the new terminal building to aircraft parked some distance away.
Councillor Kevin Murphy (FG) said he knew of a woman who damaged her arm after she was knocked down by a gust of wind while walking across the apron in the rain to a waiting aircraft.
She was drenched by the time she got onto the plane, he said.
However, when she got to her destination in Spain, she was able to use an airbridge to get to the terminal building, he said.
Mr Murphy, whose son uses a wheelchair, also criticised the way disabled passengers were being treated during boarding and disembarkation, especially during wet weather.
Cllr Derry Canty (FG) criticised airlines for not using the only airbridge which has been installed at the terminal.
SWRA director John McAleer said Ryanair has no problem using airbridges at Malaga airport.
Cllr Tom O’Driscoll (FF) said as far as he was aware, the airbridge at Cork has not been used since the new terminal opened.
He singled out Aer Lingus, one of the biggest carriers at the airport, for not using the facility.
Meanwhile, Cllr Jerry Buttimer said residents in Cork’s western suburbs have expressed concerns at an increase in the number of flights over the area.
SWRA chairman Michael Connor again called on the Government to honour its pledge on the airport’s debt issue.
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There are issues at Cork, few of which can be directly blamed on the CAA, the terminal departures area is designed badly, as it is far too narrow. I think ORK was used as a learnging curve for Dublins T2 and future developments. It cost far too much for what was actually recieved, but I still think that the airbridges should have been installed.
To be honest I think that the debt sutuation is still a huge problem, and hinders the ability of the CAA to fix some of the smaller issues with the terminal and to make attractive offers to new airlines. I would personally be far more worried about the lack of new routes and carriers than the use of airbridges. When did we last hear a new route announcement?, or the arrival of a new airline?. About 12 months before the terminal opened the routes were comming thick and fast, but now there is a deathly scilence. I can only come to the conclusion that the maagment have been too concerned wth the opening of the terminal and the associated debt issues, as nothing else has changed since then.
YES there is a shiny new terminal, but it needs to be paid for, so I suggest the airport should shout, scram and give itself every possible oppertunity to entice airlines like SAS, LH, bmi,TAP, Spanair, there is plenty of room for a star alliance member or five @ ORK, AF/KL wouldnt do anyharm either(WX maybe?). Also think that flyBE could also be enticed. We need new airlines people, otherwise EI, RE nad FR will dominate. That would not be good news at all.
To be honest I think that the debt sutuation is still a huge problem, and hinders the ability of the CAA to fix some of the smaller issues with the terminal and to make attractive offers to new airlines. I would personally be far more worried about the lack of new routes and carriers than the use of airbridges. When did we last hear a new route announcement?, or the arrival of a new airline?. About 12 months before the terminal opened the routes were comming thick and fast, but now there is a deathly scilence. I can only come to the conclusion that the maagment have been too concerned wth the opening of the terminal and the associated debt issues, as nothing else has changed since then.
YES there is a shiny new terminal, but it needs to be paid for, so I suggest the airport should shout, scram and give itself every possible oppertunity to entice airlines like SAS, LH, bmi,TAP, Spanair, there is plenty of room for a star alliance member or five @ ORK, AF/KL wouldnt do anyharm either(WX maybe?). Also think that flyBE could also be enticed. We need new airlines people, otherwise EI, RE nad FR will dominate. That would not be good news at all.
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Just to point out Brian....
Brian Dromey
The last new airline announcement was about two months ago...Fly Gibraltar will start in 2007.
Other than that, I aggree with you whole heartedly with what you say. It really is pointless us all posting it on pprune. We should write a letter or something.
Come on lads (and lassies)!
The last new airline announcement was about two months ago...Fly Gibraltar will start in 2007.
Other than that, I aggree with you whole heartedly with what you say. It really is pointless us all posting it on pprune. We should write a letter or something.
Come on lads (and lassies)!
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The new Polish routes will not compensate for the loss of Easyjet and CSA particularly during the peak periods. Reduction in flights by BMI Regional, Loganair and Ryanair will also impact on growth
There has also been a subtle but significant reduction in I.T business throughout 2006.
If things stay as they are then passenger throughput will reach 3 million in 2006 but significantly fall next year.
Lets start writing to the Irish Examiner. Too many of the letters published on it are focusing on the personal experiences of passengers getting wet etc.
The broader issues must be highlighted. Cork is in deep deep trouble if decisions aren't made soon.
There has also been a subtle but significant reduction in I.T business throughout 2006.
If things stay as they are then passenger throughput will reach 3 million in 2006 but significantly fall next year.
Lets start writing to the Irish Examiner. Too many of the letters published on it are focusing on the personal experiences of passengers getting wet etc.
The broader issues must be highlighted. Cork is in deep deep trouble if decisions aren't made soon.
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Anyways a 1x/2x service to a sunshine destination is about as useful as half a horse, what we need is high frequency lift to major UK and EU destinations on an at least 2x daily. One daily flight is good, but rubish for day trips. How can ORK support 4x daily to dublin and 8x daily to LON on 738/320s and not be able to support 2x daily to MAN/BHX/GLA on at least an ATR?
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There are two flights a day to Manchester on Sundays until December, however flying from Cork you only have a little over 2 hours in Manchester. Manchester passengers on the other hand have 7 and a half hours. I do think Manchester could support two flights daily, especially since Ryanair downgraded Liverpool to four per week as well as the fact that there are only 3 flights per week from Shannon. As for Glasgow,I'd say it would be better to try and get an airline to operate to Glasgow first before talking about having 2 flights per day. You can however go on daytrips to Edinburgh and Amsterdam with Aer Arann and Aer Lingus. Each however only operates twice daily on four days of the week
There are two flights a day to Manchester on Sundays until December, however flying from Cork you only have a little over 2 hours in Manchester. Manchester passengers on the other hand have 7 and a half hours. I do think Manchester could support two flights daily, especially since Ryanair downgraded Liverpool to four per week as well as the fact that there are only 3 flights per week from Shannon. As for Glasgow,I'd say it would be better to try and get an airline to operate to Glasgow first before talking about having 2 flights per day. You can however go on daytrips to Edinburgh and Amsterdam with Aer Arann and Aer Lingus. Each however only operates twice daily on four days of the week
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Since sunday last the CAA have hired 2 coaches to ferry pax to/from stands 5 down etc. I know this is a hugh step on their behalf but can you just imagine the cost involved in having 2 buses on standby awaiting flts. As far as i understand the CAA make their descision based on the weather forecast the night before and then order the private contractor, from what i have seen it looks like 1 mini bus ie. 27 or 30 seater and 1 larger bus approx 50 seater. If only they had built a covered walk-way !!!!!!
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Golly Gosh!
Really, thats great! It won't be long before they get two of there own buses.
It was a good thing that that woman broke her arm! (sorry
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This is gonna be great. In the amstel tradition. LOL
It was a good thing that that woman broke her arm! (sorry
)This is gonna be great. In the amstel tradition. LOL
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Well, it is getting to look more like that there will be no 5th Aer Lingus A320 at Cork next summer and no new routes for now after next week's start of Madrid, Prague and Lanzarote. The overlaps that were in the schedule that would have suggested another aircraft are being tightened up and it looks like we will instead have four fully tasked A320s next summer. Time for EI to consolidate on their position at Cork as a 5th unit would have meant a whole host of new routes and the risk to overall yield management that might have triggered - just look on it as a wise regrouping of the business model for Cork?
Obviously, a tad disappointing for Cork that it looks like there will be no strictly new EI routes next summer but overall the business model appears to be fairly sound especially now in the fluid circumstances of the Ryanair 20 per cent holding etc.
So, what about Spanair for PMI and SAS for CPH? It would be great!
Anyway, never a dull moment at Cork! Are ye jazzin' this weekend?
Obviously, a tad disappointing for Cork that it looks like there will be no strictly new EI routes next summer but overall the business model appears to be fairly sound especially now in the fluid circumstances of the Ryanair 20 per cent holding etc.
So, what about Spanair for PMI and SAS for CPH? It would be great!
Anyway, never a dull moment at Cork! Are ye jazzin' this weekend?
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[COLOR=Black]Excel Airways announced that they will start charter flights from Cork & Dublin to Lanzarote and Bulgaria. The flights will begin as of May 1st 2007. Excel Airways is the UK's biggest charter airline, and will look at long haul flights from Cork in 2008 which could possibly be to Florida. They will fly twice a week from Cork using a brand new Boeing 737-800.
Looking good for Cork!
Looking good for Cork!
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Well, it is getting to look more like that there will be no 5th Aer Lingus A320 at Cork next summer and no new routes for now after next week's start of Madrid, Prague and Lanzarote. The overlaps that were in the schedule that would have suggested another aircraft are being tightened up and it looks like we will instead have four fully tasked A320s next summer. Time for EI to consolidate on their position at Cork as a 5th unit would have meant a whole host of new routes and the risk to overall yield management that might have triggered - just look on it as a wise regrouping of the business model for Cork?
At present, neither of the routes to The Canaries are bookable and Malaga is at only 4x per week. I'd be surprised if it stayed that way.
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There is increasing speculation that EI have dropped plans to add a 5th 320 to their Cork based fleet. Up to last weekend it was assumed that the plans were going ahead. A bit puzzling as standing still is only going to play into Ryanairs hands.
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Considering the pressure that their Dublin routes are under from Ryanair it would be surprising. Maybe the strategy is to fight fire with fire up there.
How many A320s do they have scheduled for delivery next year? 2?
Considering the pressure that their Dublin routes are under from Ryanair it would be surprising. Maybe the strategy is to fight fire with fire up there.
How many A320s do they have scheduled for delivery next year? 2?
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Ryanair fly daily from Shannon to Liverpool
However if you mean Shannon-Manchester that is indeed 3 a week but will be increased to 5 a week next summer. BA Citie Express flew daily with a DHC last year (as they did to Cork)
Ryanair fly daily from Shannon to Liverpool
However if you mean Shannon-Manchester that is indeed 3 a week but will be increased to 5 a week next summer. BA Citie Express flew daily with a DHC last year (as they did to Cork)
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Oh ya I was talking about Manchester, I just phrased the post badly
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The Mrs and I have just made it back to Cork from Stansted aboard this evening's FR907. Very poor viz at Cork for most of the day meant it was low visibility approaches all round and I understand a lot of Aer Arann flights had to divert to Kerry along with a pair of bmi baby flights to Shannon along with at least one Aer Lingus flight from Birmingham.
On the final approach to Cork our Captain on the FR907 advised us we were Number 2 to another (Futura) flight for an autoland which meant a CATII approach to 17. The Futura made it in ahead of us but shortly after the RVR dropped to 250 metres and our Ryanair flight had to go around. The thing is as we climbed away you could see that the weather was fairly clear to the south of the field and it is obvious the blinking stuff hangs right over the airport and runway at Cork!
The flight took up what was a fairly northerly track following a right hand turn out after the go around and I was fearing the worst anticipating a diversion to snn but then the Captain updated the cabin we were to try one more approach at Cork and if that failed we were off to Shannon. Boy, you should have heard the sighs of resignation and angst amongst the passengers when the words diversion and Shannon were mentioned!
However, as we came down the ILS again to 17 the RVR was back up to 300 metres and there were good breaks in the cloud just north of the Bishopstown suburb before once again entering the soup as we approached the field but this time, thank God, our luck held and we touched down in low visibility to the fullsome applause of the entire cabin! However, the applause quietened quickly due to the noise of the reverse thrust and fairly strong braking that sure got people's attention again! Anyway, we were back on terra firma at Cork safe and sound even if the backtrack seemed to me to be a little wobbly but then again I was fairly jittery myself after the experience!
This ILS business has to be sorted out once and for all at Cork. Firstly, why are there no intermediate RVR readings at 275 metres at Cork between 250 metres and 300 metres? Everywhere else has it so why not Cork? Why is this? This measurement would be bound to help crews in getting another indication of how the trends are going with the RVRs.
Secondly, the pressure must be increased to have a CATIIIA ILS at Cork to finally resolve this long outstanding matter. We must take it for granted that FR and EI pilots all receive routine training and qualification to CATIII standard. It is high time that the people in charge at the Cork Airport Authority must be brought to book and made accountable and quizzed why there appears to be so little obvious local support for a CATIII project at our local aiport which the CAA are more than happy to remind us all of it's now so called international standards.
By the way, the EI727 from BHX never did make it back to Cork in spite of two tries so Sunday evening's EI844 to Schiphol was eventually due to operate from Shannon at 2345 hours. Imagine how people aboard that flight must feel tonight and the '845 pax at SPL!
On the final approach to Cork our Captain on the FR907 advised us we were Number 2 to another (Futura) flight for an autoland which meant a CATII approach to 17. The Futura made it in ahead of us but shortly after the RVR dropped to 250 metres and our Ryanair flight had to go around. The thing is as we climbed away you could see that the weather was fairly clear to the south of the field and it is obvious the blinking stuff hangs right over the airport and runway at Cork!
The flight took up what was a fairly northerly track following a right hand turn out after the go around and I was fearing the worst anticipating a diversion to snn but then the Captain updated the cabin we were to try one more approach at Cork and if that failed we were off to Shannon. Boy, you should have heard the sighs of resignation and angst amongst the passengers when the words diversion and Shannon were mentioned!
However, as we came down the ILS again to 17 the RVR was back up to 300 metres and there were good breaks in the cloud just north of the Bishopstown suburb before once again entering the soup as we approached the field but this time, thank God, our luck held and we touched down in low visibility to the fullsome applause of the entire cabin! However, the applause quietened quickly due to the noise of the reverse thrust and fairly strong braking that sure got people's attention again! Anyway, we were back on terra firma at Cork safe and sound even if the backtrack seemed to me to be a little wobbly but then again I was fairly jittery myself after the experience!
This ILS business has to be sorted out once and for all at Cork. Firstly, why are there no intermediate RVR readings at 275 metres at Cork between 250 metres and 300 metres? Everywhere else has it so why not Cork? Why is this? This measurement would be bound to help crews in getting another indication of how the trends are going with the RVRs.
Secondly, the pressure must be increased to have a CATIIIA ILS at Cork to finally resolve this long outstanding matter. We must take it for granted that FR and EI pilots all receive routine training and qualification to CATIII standard. It is high time that the people in charge at the Cork Airport Authority must be brought to book and made accountable and quizzed why there appears to be so little obvious local support for a CATIII project at our local aiport which the CAA are more than happy to remind us all of it's now so called international standards.
By the way, the EI727 from BHX never did make it back to Cork in spite of two tries so Sunday evening's EI844 to Schiphol was eventually due to operate from Shannon at 2345 hours. Imagine how people aboard that flight must feel tonight and the '845 pax at SPL!