CORK - 4

[RE72]

ORK

I believe one of the reasons for the failure of JetMagic, was the High cost of getting the ERJ135 certified to fly into LCY, The ATR72 is already approved to fly to LCY, so starting up costs would be kept to a minimum, just getting a handful of pilots certified for the steep approaches.

I'd say a ORK - MANSTON or SOUTHEND route would do particularly well, its near LON, just not a LON airport which would mean its not a direct competitior to FR/EI

[MarkD]

Now that Ryanair are deciding to use EU law to sue France over labour law, the DofT would have to be very careful about denying FR a PSO if they were the lowest bidder or MOL could start using his new found love of EU law to get the Commission invalidate the PSOs for tender irregularities.

[CCR]

I think if Aer Arann are to add more destinations from Cork, some routes to consider would be

Derry
Glasgow
London City
Brussels

[Tom the Tenor]

Sunday night was another one of those sad occasions at Cork Airport. The final CSA Czeck Airlines flight from Prague arrived in the shape of Airbus A320, OK-LEG with no less than 140 plus passengers. Typical Pox of Cork luck that in that the final flight arrived with such a heavy load! Later on this Monday morning Cork will bid adieu to our friend, OK677, for the final time ending what has been a wonderful era for Cork and Munster people being able to visit one of the great cultural centres of Europe. Without in any way wanting to undermine the significance of the long established EI services to CDG and AMS it must be said that CSA brought Europe to Cork with the arrival of so many new central and eastern European people into the local Munster region for work and pleasure and in return our own people travelling to Prague and to many other exciting connecting destinations throughout the entire CSA network. CSA's contribution to the Europeanising of Cork must be acknowledged and in historical terms the presence of CSA at Cork Airport made the airport for the first time a real player in European airports.

Yes, of course, Aer Lingus have now taken up flights to Prague and, sure, I hope they do well on the route and at 3/4 services a week it is well placed to do well, it is just that it is a great sadness to see the end of CSA Czeck Airlines at Cork Airport. CSA brought Europe to Cork Airport in a way that others like Wizz Air and Central Wings have since followed in her path.

Adieu, CSA Czeck Airlines. You were great! Thank you.

[EI-BUD]

Tom The Tenor

I enjoyed reading your comments, but if it was up to me I wouldnt even bother looking at a ORKLTN route. They would have to go to low on price to get any level of satisfactory business as the London market is well served with low prices. I agree the hot drink and paper are a nice extra but its such a short trip i think pax would still choose STN or LHR.

Besides given the current carry on on the DUBORK route, I think FR would join RE on the LTN route if it opened. Any airline who tries to get onto a route to better Ryanair is foolish.

Someone remarked that a Rotterdam link for Aer Arann would be great , I agree it could do well but I remember reading that the airport at Rotterdam will close next year , can anyone confirm this ? if it is to close there would be little point promoting a route for it only so survive such a short time.

A few suggestions were made that RE should do ORKLCY, the Jetmagic service had interestingly the following stats:
Sep 2003 592 pax on route(fiirst month)
Oct 2003 2021 pax on route
Nov 2003 1898 pax on route
Dec 2003 1981 pax on route
Jan 2004 1662 pax( last month of service)

It is fair to say that the route was hardly flying but it ended. Sadly the end of Jetmagic, I never did get to use them, but assuming 2000 pax per month was achievable that would be on a business schedule mon to fri, (assuming 20 working days in the months average ie mon to fri). that would be 50 passengers a day each way. I know better could be achieved by Aer Arann but I am not sure it would be that well received. Many routes have come and gone from LCY eg BHD etc, costs are high there but I realise good yield possible, but for the business man EI have good offering on LHR route in terms of price and frequency etc. I would probably say not the greatest option. LDY, NCL(jet2 wouldnt need much persuasion to pull the route), RE could make a go of a daily rotation and make it unsustainable for JET2. The Aer Arann brand would be more recognised in ORK than LS??

[840]

Rotterdam is certainly an airport facing many difficulties. Noise pollution regulations have put a brake on further expansion of the airport. The opening of the HSL rail line from Amsterdam to Brussels will mean that Rotterdam is only 20 minutes by train from Schiphol.

However, yours is the first suggestion I've heard that it's going to close in recent years. There was a government plan to close it in the 1970s to use the land for housing, but my understanding was that this was formally scrapped about 5 years ago.

However, I can't really see a Cork-Rotterdam link working. Aer Arann doesn't really have enough brand recognition in The Netherlands to get passengers from Rotterdam to Cork. While my experience is that Rotterdam has better nightlife, restaurants and shopping than Amsterdam, it doesn't have a knock out attraction to draw tourists in (while Amsterdam has several - the museums, the Red Light District etc.). So, Rotterdam would probably have to be reliant on business traffic and when Aer Lingus have an almost double-daily A320 service into Schiphol, which will soon be only 20 minutes from Rotterdam, business passengers will choose to use this rather than a 3 or 4 times weekly ATR service from Aer Arann.

On the subject of Aer Arann at Cork, I remember hearing last Autumn that Cork was likely to see a service to Bordeaux this summer. The route doesn't seem to have materialised, but at the time, I had considered that Aer Arann were the most likely operators. Even now, looking at their route profile, it's one that they could probably successfully add. It's far enough from Nantes that it shouldn't impact yield there and is in a part of France that has traditionally been popular with Irish tourists, but is unserved by any airline.

Also, with Aer Arann, I'm a bit surprised we haven't seen a frequent flier programme from them in their fight against Ryanair on the Dublin route. For regular travellers who are spending their company's money on the flight, it could provide a useful incentive.

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

assuming 2000 pax per month was achievable that would be on a business schedule mon to fri, that would be 50 passengers a day each way.

Considering that jetMagic were operating 35 seat ERJ 135's this service actually did quite well, if there were 2x daily services that was a load of 71.43% and 47.62% on a three times daily serivce. Considering that it was a brand new service, the realitively high fares charged, and the small marketing preence jetMagic had for this route, Im surprised that LCY has not been tried again. The most likely candidates for LCY would surely be Aer Arann, VLM or CityJet?

[parsi]

Ork - LCY

I think this would be an ideal route opportunity. There are plenty of outbound connections from London City to other parts of Europe and transit times are shorter. I occasionally fly to Luxemburg and whilst I currently come back via AMS there is a frequent service to LCY.

A nice amount of chaos was taking place in the airport onSaturday evening with one of the ticket machines swallowing every ticket. The solution offered by one of the drones was to use another machine. They were stumped when people asked "using what ticket?"... Driving into the long term (beyond the multi-storey) is a disgrace - it looks like a building site. They still don't have working intercoms on the barriers. These are fairly simple things...

[Eh Hello?]

Originally Posted by ryan2000

Of course Ryanair's weather record is far better than Aer Arann on Dublin Cork. In almost 14 months not once has a FR domestic flight been diverted to SNN or KIR although they did on a handful of occassions return to Dublin.
Ryanair are CAT2 compliant and more importantly avail of this facility when the Cork RVR goes below CAT1 minima.

Be careful about generalisations . According to the Cork airport website, Ryanair diverted tonight's Stansted arrival at 2105, RE landed from Belfast at 2112, whilst Ryanair's 2200 arrival from Dublin entered the hold upon arrival at Cork, eventually landing 1 hour 25 minutes after departing Dublin, ten minutes after Arran's Edinburgh landed. It would appear being able to use shorter runways has its advantages when the wind is 23025G42KT. There have also been Ryanair cancellations (not a diversion but "flight cancelled due weather, not our fault, go away") during the fogs in December, when RE, as usual, laid on busses to get passengers to their destination.
Still, if Ryanair insist on below cost selling to attract passengers, they will continue to take share from RE. I am amazed Aer Rianta (or the Journos) haven't raised this against Ryanair's complaints on Cork but they must chuckle when they see Ryanair on the one hand bitching about the cost of using Cork airport whilst they are offering "all inclusive fares" of 9.99 Euros, including taxes and charges, from which they must pay Aer Rianta 12.50 Euros.

[The Flying Cokeman]

Ork-lcy

I don't see Arann starting up a route to London City as the ATR is not approved for landings into LCY

[Eh Hello?]

Originally Posted by The Flying Cokeman

I don't see Arann starting up a route to London City as the ATR is not approved for landings into LCY

The ATR42 is approved and has been used by a number of operators into there for years (Air Wales, BMI/Atlantic and Eurowings come to mind). The 72 is not. The problem with LCY is getting traffic onto the return legs - sure it would be great first thing in the morning out of Cork but RE would struggle as other carriers do to fill the return leg. I understand City charge and arm and two legs to land in anywhere near the peak also so they would need pretty high fares which, against the other carriers on the route, would be a challenge to say the least. On top of this, Waterford to London takes 90 minutes so Cork - London City would probably be pushing two hours in an ATR.

[The Flying Cokeman]

eh Hello?

You are absolutely correct, I was having the 72 in mind being the future mainstay in RE.



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