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Old 15th Nov 2006, 23:21
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Charleroi

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but considering the airport of Charleroi, in the next couple of years it's going to get:
  • New Terminal (built within budget)
  • Train station offering direct services to Brussels and Charleroi (for starters)
  • Runway length increase from 2550m to 3200m
  • CAT III
And hearing this, it just infuriates me to look at the mess the Cork Airport crowd are making of the place

http://www.charleroi-airport.com/BSC...cument&Key=no#
http://www.charleroi-airport.com/BSC...ment&Key=menu6
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Old 16th Nov 2006, 09:06
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Originally Posted by johnrizzo2000
I'm surprised EI havent increased their Cork-Prague frequencies with OK pulling out in Jan!
Their Cork-based aircraft are fully utilised. There's no space to schedule an expansion.
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Old 16th Nov 2006, 11:14
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I bet Charleroi doesn't have Brussells airport dictating what it can and can't do, and that it has management that actually know a thing or two about running an airport not just people appointed by the Government. I think we're all agreed that the situation in Cork can't go on. Something has to be done. If it weren't for Aer Lingus, they would probably have gone bankrupt by now!
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The impressive improvements planned for Charleroi would be a mouth-watering proposition for any airport to look forward to as it plans ahead it's strategy for the future. Cork can aspire to such further improvements too and it is good to dream but for now let us take pride in the simple things - the sole Cork airbridge appears to be in commission as the Central Wings 737 from WRO and to KRK was connected up to the facility yesterday morning!

Small steps and the simple pleasures!
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Cork (the Airport with the one air bridge)

So they've finally got around to fixing the airbridge. If EI could be persuaded to use it the CAA could justify asking their DAA paymasters for a few more as they are by far the biggest operator in Cork. Malev, BMI Baby and Futura are all happy to use them if available.

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This is good news and hopefully other airlines will follow Central Wing's example and use the sole airbridge.

Indeed it would be great if Aer Lingus were to use the sole Airbridge, but I deem this highly unlikely since EI have now gone down the low cost route.

Personally, I think Futura is the best bet and I think possibly they will be using the airbridge in the near future, but then again, I could be wrong.

Until Next Time,
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Cork to Glasgow

I emailed Flybe to ask if they would consider starting Glasgow to Cork and this is the response I got:

At present we have no plans to start this route, and it is not high on our 'may be' list. We are however looking at developing our operations from Glasgow, and Cork will still be one of the destinations we will be considering. It will however be one of several, and new capacity will be limited so I can give no indication at this time if or when Cork might make the cut.
Nice of them to give such a full response



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Old 19th Nov 2006, 08:43
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Aerlingus and Cork

It's strange that EI have no problem using airbridges at all of the other airports they fly to. Only by the Banks of the Lee does cost issues arise,
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Originally Posted by ryan2000
It's strange that EI have no problem using airbridges at all of the other airports they fly to. Only by the Banks of the Lee does cost issues arise,
Ahh, but you see Cork is more expensive. The narrow contact charge is costly enough for an LCA but an airbridge charge on top of that, they simply can't afford it.

An airport official confirmed that CSA and Central Wings plus charter airlines will be the only airlines to use the sole airbridge.

On Thursday CSA made use of the airbridge for the first time as well as the Central Wings on the first day.
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Old 19th Nov 2006, 10:34
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SXF Airbridges

When I flew from Berlin to Cork EI didn't use an airbridge in Berlin for the flight. However the Berlin to Dublin EI flight did use an airbridge!
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That is odd, but I think we are reading in to things a bit to much!!
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Originally Posted by ryan2000
It's strange that EI have no problem using airbridges at all of the other airports they fly to. Only by the Banks of the Lee does cost issues arise,
As well as Berlin mentioned above, EI doesn't use airbridges in Faro where they are available.

But then the weather in Faro is a little better...

On another note, when CSA move out will Malev use the airbridge? Presumably, their current similar flight times rule this out.
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Just read through some of this thread..cracks me up!! Look guys..if you really want to have a go in an airbridge why not just ask your mums to ring up the airport and see if they'll let you play in one for a while! But to be honest their no big deal just a metal tube that brings people from the plane to the terminal..i would'nt cry about it! Instead why not go out for a few drinks and a bit of craic rather sitting at home going out of your mind with worry about air bridges,CAT3 ILS and thinking that the whole world is against your cute little airport!
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Old 19th Nov 2006, 15:28
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Originally Posted by Sky Conductor
i would'nt cry about it! Instead why not go out for a few drinks and a bit of craic rather sitting at home going out of your mind with worry about air bridges,CAT3 ILS and thinking that the whole world is against your cute little airport!


This guy clearly has no concept of what the weather condtions can be like in ORK. Our unique brand of "fog"(its actually fast moving, low lying cloud) causes unnecessary and costly diversions. Crews, pax and a/c end up in the wrong place, and flights are cancelled. Crosswinds are also an issue at EICK, I believe. Cat III would be a very useful addition to EICK , but due to the astronomical cost of the terminal(thanks to Aer Rianta/DAA) and the physical location of the airport its unattainable.

The suggestion of a conspiracy, is quite frankly s*** stirring, no one has ever said that "Oh my God, like, the whole world is against us" Quite the opposite, in fact, and the numerous blunders of DAA/CAA are posted here as an example of how a great facility woth huge potential is being wasted(same could be said for DUB). All 200 million worth of tax payers money. The CAA have toally lost the plot, if they ever had a grasp of it. Instead of chasing new customers to replace EZY, BA/Logan Air, CSA, etc they pick up some second-hand trolleys from the DAA! I honestly do not believe these guys! Imagine, going to attract the likes of Lufthansa,SAS or Continental and saying, "sorry we can't guarantee an airbridge in a terminal costing 200million(we still dont know how to use the one we've got, and the others got lost on the way, but we do have a shiny new fleet of second-hand baggage trolleys"

Finally it is not a case of wanting "to play in an airbridge". The problem here is the WX situation at EICK. Wet, windy and a fine old hike down to stand 3/4/5 or to 12-15. It is DANGEROUS, as evidenced by the unfortunate lady who injured herself, not so long ago. Imagine if DUB did not have the "temporary boarding lounge", and expected pax to walk to those stands, except windier, and wetter! Then you get an idea of the stuation.

Anyways, enough of this. Have the CAA got their act together and bedded any new routes and airlines for next summer?
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Old 19th Nov 2006, 16:18
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Crikey, Brian, as if right on cue this afternoon Cork has seen some very severe weather and the cute airport on the hill has seen rain, high winds, crosswinds, windshear and low cloud. The list of diversions so far have included the Ryanair from Gatwick, the Aer Lingus from Birmingham along with the all ready quite late Aer Lingus flight from Warsaw. All have gone to Shannon.

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Originally Posted by Sky Conductor Just read through some of this thread..cracks me up!! Look guys..if you really want to have a go in an airbridge why not just ask your mums to ring up the airport and see if they'll let you play in one for a while! But to be honest their no big deal just a metal tube that brings people from the plane to the terminal..i would'nt cry about it! Instead why not go out for a few drinks and a bit of craic rather sitting at home going out of your mind with worry about air bridges,CAT3 ILS and thinking that the whole world is against your cute little airport!
Look sky conductor, you obviously don't know what your on about.

You really can't say much because you have made only seven (7) posts since you joined in September 2004!

Like I mean that's laughable you coming and posting such a ridiculous comment!

Cork is known worldwide for being the airport built on a bog with the worst weather conditions ever!

It could really do with another airbridge, maybe some buses. And lord god we need the CATIII!
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of course we need airbridges

Someone plese correct me , if i am wrong, the capital cost cost of an airbridge is about 400,000 or 10 cent per pax over 1 year or 1 cent per pax over 10 years. hopefully so far so good. if thats the case ,the cost of providing them is no issue. So its then down to operational costs and an operator for 10 fifteen minutes say at a wage of 12.00 an hour so thats 3 euro per rotation . Cork should
(a) charge a very reasonable fee per passenger using airbridges- all four as planned and designed and
(b) absolutely insist that airlines use them .

Its all just a lack of respect for the Cork passenger.

I hear that an airside bus is on the way shortly, just as well i had a 300 yrd dash recently with water jumps , but still had to wait 42 minutes for the bag. Living in hope in westcork
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Originally Posted by johnrizzo2000
I'm surprised EI havent increased their Cork-Prague frequencies with OK pulling out in Jan!
EI announced ORK - PRG earlier this year 1-3-5-7 and successfully bullied Czech Airlines off the route where they provided a daily service along with a host of interesting connection possiblities.

Now, next summer, EI are going to sit back and enjoy a monopoly on the Prague route offering a less than appetising -2-4-6- frequency

I doubt CSA would make a return, but it'd be nice if Sky Europe would come along and and introduce PRG - ORK, and give Aer Lingus a taste of their own medicine!
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Old 19th Nov 2006, 21:08
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Originally Posted by Charlie Roy
When I flew from Berlin to Cork EI didn't use an airbridge in Berlin for the flight. However the Berlin to Dublin EI flight did use an airbridge!
Similar situation when we flew there. We arrived first and whilst deplaning in came the ex-Dublin flight and straight up to an airbridge. When we were coming home we used the airbridge though...
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Old 19th Nov 2006, 23:55
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Originally Posted by Charlie Roy
EI announced ORK - PRG earlier this year 1-3-5-7 and successfully bullied Czech Airlines off the route where they provided a daily service along with a host of interesting connection possiblities.
To be fair I dont thaink that CSA were "bullied" off PRG. If I recall correctly it was not long after the EI decision to operate ORK-PRG that CSA announced they would be pulling off the route. I highly doubt that EIs presence at PRG was the PRIMARY consideration for CSA. To make such an announcment the route was clearly under evaluation. If the route was profitable and had good prospects then I suspect that CSA would have reduced frequencies rather than pulled completely, but with the entry of EI there was no point. As SN found out on BRU, Cork is a low yield destination. When CSA started the route it was the only connection to eastern Europe. Now the market is totally different, many destinations, many flights, many carriers.
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