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Cork Airport Reaches 3million!
Saw in the echo that yesterday Cork Airport reached the 3 millionth passenger mark when Evelyn Slyne arrived from Dublin with Aer Arann.
That has really sent all speculation of not reaching it down the drain. Thank God!
That has really sent all speculation of not reaching it down the drain. Thank God!
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At last some good news for the airport. However if they don't get their act together we may see negative numbers next year.
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1.) Cork Airport won't get an expansion from FR for a long time because of their landing fees.....
2.) If FR did make an expansion it would be to drive an airline out like what they did to EasyJet. Ryanair promised 3 tijmes to LGW a day then EasyJet were operating at a loss with the airplanes not full and Ryanair winning he route they gave up and then Ryanair droped to 1 route a day!!! Funny stuff!!! From 5 times a day to 1 all because of MO'L lying through his teeth. The only reason Ryanair did make an expansion lately out of the Liverpool route again is because there was absoloutly no demand from Kerry, it shows if there landing fees were low but FR couldn't fill up the flights.
3.) Ryanair aren't expanding because the landing Fees are too high and Cork Airport won't give them a discount cause they own EINN because Shannon was desperate at the time. And Cork is not, why would Cork give away an old terminal barely capable of running itself and then if they were trafficing all the passengers thrpugh that terminal what would be the point of our new one at all??? What happened to the new terminal that was going to be "built" in Killeagh that somebody heard their Granny's Friend's Mother's Dog's Owners cat's Gran-daughters kittens cousin's Owner's next door neighbour heard about a new "Stansted" to be built on a WWII airstrip???
This is all a bit ironic but just save it next time. And everybody is entitled to their opinion but not to an extent where we make progress and then end up at the first message again.
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Ryanair and Cork
Ryanair will never get a discount of any description from Cork to act as a predator on existing routes.
There is a generous scheme available on genuine new routes.
Murcia, Gerona, Ciampino, Beauvais among others will not qualify for discounts due to EI's presence on BCN, CDG.FCO and ALC.
Similarly Aer Arann, BMI Baby and Jet 2 have all the worthwhile UK routes tied up while WIZZ,Central Wings and EI have the 5 major Polish Cities from Cork.
So if Ryanair want to expand at Cork they'll probably have to meet the competition head on as happened in Dublin.
There is a generous scheme available on genuine new routes.
Murcia, Gerona, Ciampino, Beauvais among others will not qualify for discounts due to EI's presence on BCN, CDG.FCO and ALC.
Similarly Aer Arann, BMI Baby and Jet 2 have all the worthwhile UK routes tied up while WIZZ,Central Wings and EI have the 5 major Polish Cities from Cork.
So if Ryanair want to expand at Cork they'll probably have to meet the competition head on as happened in Dublin.
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Aerlingus, BMI Baby, Aer Arann, Wizz and Central Wings are all operating routes from Cork that are in broad competition with Ryanair flights from Shannon. It's also obvious from the amount of cars registered inn Limerick and Clare in the carparks at Cork Airport that its not all one way traffic.
If Ryanairs Shannon operation is such a brilliant move why has MOL drawn attention to disappointing yields there on several occasions over the last year and a half?
If Ryanairs Shannon operation is such a brilliant move why has MOL drawn attention to disappointing yields there on several occasions over the last year and a half?
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Ryanair schedule S07
As anna_list and ryan2000 pointed out in the Ryanair thread, 6 rotations are likely for Ryanair's Cork aircraft for Summer 2007.
4 to DUB are already in the booking engine.
That leaves 2 yet to be revealed.
I'm dying of curiousity here!
I also think they'll keep the afternoon daily to LGW.
So what evening rotation will they squeeze in?
4 to DUB are already in the booking engine.
That leaves 2 yet to be revealed.
I'm dying of curiousity here!
I also think they'll keep the afternoon daily to LGW.
So what evening rotation will they squeeze in?
- Maybe Manchester to directly compete with Aer Lingus / BMI Baby.
- Or Prestwick (screaming out to be served from Cork).
- Or East Midlands to try to damage Aer Lingus / BMI Baby on the Birmingham route...
- Or Luton (why not?)
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There's a Gatwick rotation in there too, but it overlaps with one of the Dublin ones currently. Also, the aircraft spends an unusually long period on the ground in Dublin, mid-morning [assuming they aren't rotating aircraft there]. I'd say we'll see some changes in the schedule yet.
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As anna_list and ryan2000 pointed out in the Ryanair thread, 6 rotations are likely for Ryanair's Cork aircraft for Summer 2007.
4 to DUB are already in the booking engine.
That leaves 2 yet to be revealed.
I'm dying of curiousity here!
I also think they'll keep the afternoon daily to LGW.
So what evening rotation will they squeeze in?
4 to DUB are already in the booking engine.
That leaves 2 yet to be revealed.
I'm dying of curiousity here!
I also think they'll keep the afternoon daily to LGW.
So what evening rotation will they squeeze in?
- Maybe Manchester to directly compete with Aer Lingus / BMI Baby.
- Or Prestwick (screaming out to be served from Cork).
- Or East Midlands to try to damage Aer Lingus / BMI Baby on the Birmingham route...
- Or Luton (why not?)
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I wouldn't be that sure. The aircraft arrives in Cork at 20.40. It will only be able to leave again at 21.05. That's very late to be starting a return rotation. Guessing a flight time to Prestwick of 75 minutes (It's 65 from Shannon), it would be there at 22.20. Allowing a 25 min turnaround, it would be midnight by the time it got back to Cork. There seems to be a lot of time wasted in the afternoon on the flight to Gatwick. Guessing a new flight time of 14.25, the plane could be back in Cork by 17.40, yet the evening Dublin flight doesn't leave until 18.35. If this were tightened up, as well as the 45 minute turnaround in Dublin between the second Return flights then maybe Prestwick will be launched. Otherwise we may see the aircraft finishing for the night at 20.40.
P.S. has anyone seen the timetable on the Cork Airport website.
http://www.corkairport.com/flight_info/timetables.html
It has different timings again for the first two flights from March, but for the last two flights there is the old timings! It will be interesting to see what happens.
P.S. has anyone seen the timetable on the Cork Airport website.
http://www.corkairport.com/flight_info/timetables.html
It has different timings again for the first two flights from March, but for the last two flights there is the old timings! It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Not so sure what is happening in the Ryanair mindset as regards Cork in summer 2007 but it is at first glance somewhat worrying. As of now Gatwick is no longer bookable from Cork after 30th June, 2007. Sure, it is early days yet but if Cork is left for a third time in recent years without a Gatwick service from this summer Cork Airport will have no one to blame but herself after so shabbily sitting by last year allowing easyJet to be devoured by Ryanair with little or no word or action.
Last summer Cork Airport had no less than 5 or so daily flights from easyJet and Ryanair to and from Gatwick and now there may yet be no flights at all on the route from 1st July, 2007. If this comes to pass it will be another big blow to the credibility of Cork Airport in her efforts to be regarded as a serious player for business throughout Europe. London routes are the bread and butter of Cork Airport and a Gatwick service must be maintained at all costs. Prestwick would be very nice, yes, and is more realistic than, say, New York to achieve but a London service wins hands down if there must be a choice between the two?
Last summer Cork Airport had no less than 5 or so daily flights from easyJet and Ryanair to and from Gatwick and now there may yet be no flights at all on the route from 1st July, 2007. If this comes to pass it will be another big blow to the credibility of Cork Airport in her efforts to be regarded as a serious player for business throughout Europe. London routes are the bread and butter of Cork Airport and a Gatwick service must be maintained at all costs. Prestwick would be very nice, yes, and is more realistic than, say, New York to achieve but a London service wins hands down if there must be a choice between the two?
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"Allowing Easyjet be devoured by Ryanair"
Not so sure what is happening in the Ryanair mindset as regards Cork in summer 2007 but it is at first glance somewhat worrying. As of now Gatwick is no longer bookable from Cork after 30th June, 2007. Sure, it is early days yet but if Cork is left for a third time in recent years without a Gatwick service from this summer Cork Airport will have no one to blame but herself after so shabbily sitting by last year allowing easyJet to be devoured by Ryanair with little or no word or action.
Last summer Cork Airport had no less than 5 or so daily flights from easyJet and Ryanair to and from Gatwick and now there may yet be no flights at all on the route from 1st July, 2007. If this comes to pass it will be another big blow to the credibility of Cork Airport in her efforts to be regarded as a serious player for business throughout Europe. London routes are the bread and butter of Cork Airport and a Gatwick service must be maintained at all costs. Prestwick would be very nice, yes, and is more realistic than, say, New York to achieve but a London service wins hands down if there must be a choice between the two?
Last summer Cork Airport had no less than 5 or so daily flights from easyJet and Ryanair to and from Gatwick and now there may yet be no flights at all on the route from 1st July, 2007. If this comes to pass it will be another big blow to the credibility of Cork Airport in her efforts to be regarded as a serious player for business throughout Europe. London routes are the bread and butter of Cork Airport and a Gatwick service must be maintained at all costs. Prestwick would be very nice, yes, and is more realistic than, say, New York to achieve but a London service wins hands down if there must be a choice between the two?
In effect it is true that Ryanair did come in an sabotage easyjet attempts to successfully operate a good schedule on the route but to be fair I dont think any blame can be directed towards Cork airport, I mean airlines can fly where they like at what ever frequency they like for the most part in side Europe (obviously there are limiting factors at various airports ie Slots and all that) but it was kind of obvious that Ryanair would follow easyjet onto the route. What do you suggest the airport authority should have done. I for one think the airport wont lose credibility on this one, I think it is a stark message to other low cost airlines who think of venturing onto Irish soil.
What the Cork Airport Authority got in effect was Ryanair basing an aircraft and launching a Dublin route and whatever the future hold for Cork and Ryanair together is probably in the airports favour. Well certainly if the comments on here come to pass about increased activity?
Re the other comments on above about the updated Cork schedules on RYanair.com
It is obvious that one a/C is doing 3 CORK/DUBLIN sorties and then free from 1400 to 1835 ....and then a Dublin return trip.
The LGW flight is obviously by a different ac as it takes off at 1255, while ac 1 is on the ORKDUB route... Perhaps the ORKLGW schedule is not confirmed or as many have said changes will happen.
Is there a second aircraft going to Cork.
As regards speculation about new routes. Top tips for me include Prestwick, (couldnt see them adding London capacity), Spannish destinations of Gerona, Murcia, or perhaps Malta? I cant see them going onto Manchester or Birmingham.
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Ryanair were not given any deal to launch Cork Gatwick and Cork Dublin.
Furthermore Easyjet also had to pay full charges on the route.
Easyjet's load factors were quite good but their yield was disappointing. The major problem they had was that the vast majority of Irish people travelled with EI and FR.
Easyjet didn't have the same brand recognition with Cork people, how many even checked their website before booking?
There are many other low costs operating into Cork successfully without provoking a response from Ryanair. It was Easyjet's decision to compete on a London Route that irked Ryanair.
Furthermore Easyjet also had to pay full charges on the route.
Easyjet's load factors were quite good but their yield was disappointing. The major problem they had was that the vast majority of Irish people travelled with EI and FR.
Easyjet didn't have the same brand recognition with Cork people, how many even checked their website before booking?
There are many other low costs operating into Cork successfully without provoking a response from Ryanair. It was Easyjet's decision to compete on a London Route that irked Ryanair.
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ORK - DUB 0740 - 0830
DUB - ORK 0855 - 0945
ORK - DUB 1010 - 1100
DUB - ORK 1135 - 1225
ORK - LGW 1255 - 1420
LGW - ORK 1450 - 1615
ORK - DUB 1725 - 1815
DUB - ORK 1840 - 1930
ORK - DUB 1955 - 2045
DUB - ORK 2110 - 2200
SOURCE : RYANAIR TIMETABLE 8th Jan
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If Ryanair are to drop LGW which will sure be a shame I guess it would be just too much to hope they would be really creative and go somewhere really new from Cork rather than trying to muscle in on some of the existing type business. They hardly will though as much of their route network is now so well served from their large base at Shannon and they will not to compromise that in any way? The best we can hope for is that the CAA will be on their guard and will want to keep the present routes safe. Let us hope they do.
It should have been mentioned a little before now but with New Year etc it was kind of forgotten but there was a very interesting landing at Cork last Sunday on New Year's Eve. There was a 40 kt wind blowing across 17/35 as the EI857 returned from Alicante so the flight did an ILS to 17 down to 1200 feet before breaking off for a landing to runway 25! Remember, runway 25/07 at Cork is just over 4000 feet long! I understand the A320 was fairly light at the time so whatever were the criteria for a landing to runway 25 in the prevailing conditions of the time were met.
Food for thought though? Runway 25/07 should arguably be the main runway at Cork as it would suit the prevailing winds and even more so bearing in minds the recent gales that caused a number of diversions. Cork Airport should have a flag day to collect a few Euro for a few airbridges and for an extension to runway 25.
Have also heard that EI are keen on using Stand 9T for overnight parking from next week after CSA quit Cork. It looks like they will get it too but one of the conditions is that they will have to use the airbridge and there are reports that staff from EI have recently been trained up on the use of same.
It should have been mentioned a little before now but with New Year etc it was kind of forgotten but there was a very interesting landing at Cork last Sunday on New Year's Eve. There was a 40 kt wind blowing across 17/35 as the EI857 returned from Alicante so the flight did an ILS to 17 down to 1200 feet before breaking off for a landing to runway 25! Remember, runway 25/07 at Cork is just over 4000 feet long! I understand the A320 was fairly light at the time so whatever were the criteria for a landing to runway 25 in the prevailing conditions of the time were met.
Food for thought though? Runway 25/07 should arguably be the main runway at Cork as it would suit the prevailing winds and even more so bearing in minds the recent gales that caused a number of diversions. Cork Airport should have a flag day to collect a few Euro for a few airbridges and for an extension to runway 25.
Have also heard that EI are keen on using Stand 9T for overnight parking from next week after CSA quit Cork. It looks like they will get it too but one of the conditions is that they will have to use the airbridge and there are reports that staff from EI have recently been trained up on the use of same.
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Have also heard that EI are keen on using Stand 9T for overnight parking from next week after CSA quit Cork. It looks like they will get it too but one of the conditions is that they will have to use the airbridge and there are reports that staff from EI have recently been trained up on the use of same.
Incidnetly, I saw a Jet2 flight parked at stand T9 a few days ago, and it also appeared to be using the airbridge. Does ANY aircraft which parks @ T9 have to use the airbridge then? Or do Jet2 use airbridges throughout the nework, they certainly do not at LBA!
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Yes, one of the EI A320s has been overnighting on Stand 5 since the new terminal opened and unless EI take up Stand 9T after next week and use the airbridge Malev will get use of the facility. My info is that Cork is not charging for the use of the airbridge at the moment and bmi baby, Jet2, Central Wings are all trying it out. Ryanair and Wizz are the clear no takers at the moment. Hope Cork does get a second airbridge for the whole EI operation as it would tie in nicely with their using of airbridges at most of their destinations ex Cork. Cork passengers deserve no less in our weather.
A bit of sad news is that the Air Atlantique Lockheed L188 Electra will go out tonight for the final time and from next week the DHL service will be replaced by an ATP aircraft. It seems that the Electra was not that much cheaper than the 757 to operate!
Cork Airport and the BAe ATP. A marriage made in heaven!
A bit of sad news is that the Air Atlantique Lockheed L188 Electra will go out tonight for the final time and from next week the DHL service will be replaced by an ATP aircraft. It seems that the Electra was not that much cheaper than the 757 to operate!
Cork Airport and the BAe ATP. A marriage made in heaven!
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Ryanair schedule S07
This is not entirely online yet, but this is the likely schedule for Cork's solitary Ryanair aircraft from March 26th:
ORK - DUB 0635 - 0725
DUB - ORK 0750 - 0840
ORK - DUB 0905 - 0955
DUB - ORK 1040 - 1130
ORK - DUB 1155 - 1245
DUB - ORK 1310 - 1400
ORK - LGW 1450 - 1615
LGW - ORK 1645 - 1810
ORK - DUB 1835 - 1925
DUB - ORK 1950 - 2040
ORK - ??? 2105 - 2205ish
??? - ORK 2230 - 2330ish
For the last rotation my money is on Manchester or East Midlands to drive BMIbaby out of Cork and hurt AerLingus, Stansted or Liverpool to free up a rotation at one of those bases, or another rotation to Dublin to piss us all off
I think it'll be another 2 weeks though (as is often the case with the loading of new Ryanair schedules) before we know the whole story...
PS: For an aircraft which has 6 rotations a day, it is quite typical for Ryanair to have "gaps" in the schedule (here 0955 - 1040 and 1400 - 1450) to catch up any delays, amongst other things. One crew would work 0635-1400 and a second crew would work 1450 - 2330ish.
ORK - DUB 0635 - 0725
DUB - ORK 0750 - 0840
ORK - DUB 0905 - 0955
DUB - ORK 1040 - 1130
ORK - DUB 1155 - 1245
DUB - ORK 1310 - 1400
ORK - LGW 1450 - 1615
LGW - ORK 1645 - 1810
ORK - DUB 1835 - 1925
DUB - ORK 1950 - 2040
ORK - ??? 2105 - 2205ish
??? - ORK 2230 - 2330ish
For the last rotation my money is on Manchester or East Midlands to drive BMIbaby out of Cork and hurt AerLingus, Stansted or Liverpool to free up a rotation at one of those bases, or another rotation to Dublin to piss us all off
I think it'll be another 2 weeks though (as is often the case with the loading of new Ryanair schedules) before we know the whole story...
PS: For an aircraft which has 6 rotations a day, it is quite typical for Ryanair to have "gaps" in the schedule (here 0955 - 1040 and 1400 - 1450) to catch up any delays, amongst other things. One crew would work 0635-1400 and a second crew would work 1450 - 2330ish.