CORK - 4

[johnrizzo2000]

An ORK-JFK link with EI will also depend on what a/c are ordered. I think if they go for 787, and choose the smaller variant (not sure if its 800 or 900??), well then an ORK-JFK may be possible! A 757 service is ideal, and CO looks like the perfect operator, as they are set on operating smaller routes like BRS/CGN/OSLO etc to Newark!

[westcorkman]

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[Charlie Roy]

Ryanair S07

I notice that while ORK - DUB is bookable after July 1st with no changes to the current schedule, ORK - LGW is not available yet.

Could ORK - LGW get the axe? I doubt it...

[ryan2000]

Cork

Neither is Cork Stanstead so I presume its just a matter of Ryanair timing their announcement.

Heard that a US airline is willing to negotiate with CAA about ORK-JFK if an open skies agreement comes into place.

[Charlie Roy]

Cork to Stansted is operated using Stansted based aircraft.

ORK - DUB and ORK - LGW are operated by the one Cork based aircraft. Hence it is strange that the schedule for this aircraft is available for ORK - DUB after July 1st, but not for ORK - LGW...

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by Charlie Roy

ORK - DUB and ORK - LGW are operated by the one Cork based aircraft. Hence it is strange that the schedule for this aircraft is available for ORK - DUB after July 1st, but not for ORK - LGW...

Maybe its a case that Ryanair MAY base another aircraft at Cork next summer. I think, althouh I may be wrong, that Cork is the only Ryanair base with a single aircraft? MAD, for example opened with four!

I also think that once dily to LGW is a joke. Last summer they definately did two daily flights, which seemed to do well, and EZY were competing on LGW with three daily at the time. Aer Lingus may have missed a trick not basing a 5th a/c at Cork this summer, so maybe Ryanair may launch a few more routes? Maybe Germany and Scandanavia, Glasgow along wIth more LGW flights. But with FR and the CAA, who knows?

[ryan2000]

Summer schedule

Dublin Gatwick , Dublin Stansted and Derry Stansted are not bookable from July either so it's hard to call it at this stage. There have been numerous rumours of a 2nd Ryanair aircraft over the last year at Cork but nothing has materialised. Now Easyjet have entered the rumour machine again. CAA will have to new business from somewhere if it wants to stay above 3m in 2007.

[EI-DHC]

Ryanair & CAA

I would appreciate if someone could enlighten me on the RYR/ORK situation:

If i'm not mistaken, RYR initially moved 3 of the ORK-LPL services to Farranfore and ALSO said that they would not expand their services in ORK in protest against the fees charged by the CAA.

Have those landing fees etc subsequently been lowered to say that RYR have now moved those three flights back from Farranfore to ORK, or was there some other reason for the return of a daily ORK-LPL service?

Thanks in advance.

[en2r]

EI-DHC

As far as I know, the loads and yields on Kerry-Liverpool were disastrous. Aer Arann's well established Kerry-Manchester route didn't help things. Loads were always good from Cork, and there clearly was demand for a daily service. Also the fact that EI are starting Cork-Manchester may have had an influence. As far as I know, landing fees are the same as when they moved the 3 flights to Kerry.

[RE72]

FR a/c @ ORK

Just being looking at the FR schedule for its ORK based 738, and it appears the aircraft is quite under utilised, there is 70 minutes spent on the ground @ DUB between 1025 and 1135 and a further 70 minutes on the ground at ORK between 1615 and 1725. Thats a good 140 minutes which could easily be utilised with another ORK - DUB rotation.

What do you believe the reason for this?

Could it be that in the case of a backlog, there is sufficient time to allow catch up in the event of delays and help not lose PAX to RE, or maybe there allowing the market grow before launching a 5th daily DUB-ORK rotation.

[EI-DHC]

en2r

Originally Posted by en2r

As far as I know, the loads and yields on Kerry-Liverpool were disastrous. Aer Arann's well established Kerry-Manchester route didn't help things. Loads were always good from Cork, and there clearly was demand for a daily service. Also the fact that EI are starting Cork-Manchester may have had an influence. As far as I know, landing fees are the same as when they moved the 3 flights to Kerry.

Thanks for that.

It's a pity for Farranfore airport that it didn't work out.

[ryan2000]

Ryanair and Cork

The based Ryanair aircraft is only in the air for about 6 hrs a day, an incredibly short utilisation period. Amazing that common sense can't prevail between CAA and Ryanair. Surely they can do a deal if the will is there.

[EI-BUD]

Fr @ Ork

It seems that Ryanair had no strategic interest in Cork, and they only went in there to have a base to serve LGW from in Competition with Easyjet. Dublin seemed like the best high frequency destination.

Aer Arann have been saying publicly that FR are not making money on ORK DUB, which surprises me , as everytime i used the flights they were quite full. However, this is no guide to viability as we never know what fares have been collected! I would not be surprised if the ORK base is not expanded. I would also not be surprised if FR close the 'base'(base with 1 a/c!!!), and move the aircraft to Dublin , operate the route from Dublin with a very early departure . And in addition, the LGW route could be operated in a W pattern in conjunction with the Dublin flights or perhaps the SNN ones. LPL could come from LPL ac as is the case I think at the moment anyway... What does anyone else think?

The STN ORK flights could also do w pattern to facilitate LGW or any ORK flights for that matter.....???

[ryan2000]

I agree that it's pointless having a base at Cork to just fly up and down to Dublin and do a return flight each day to Gatwick

[ryan2000]

I agree that it's pointless having a base at Cork to just fly up and down to Dublin and do a return flight each day to Gatwick

[en2r]

Originally Posted by ryan2000

I agree that it's pointless having a base at Cork to just fly up and down to Dublin and do a return flight each day to Gatwick

I don't think the base will be pulled any time soon. It serves a strategic purpose. It helps scare off any other LCCs who might be considering opening a base. The whole Easyjet episode highlights this perfectly. Ryanair don't want any other airlines coming in and offering loads of destinations from Cork that they fly to from Shannon. Their Shannon base could not survive without Cork people making the two hour trek. Cork would probably be better if Ryanair did close the base, and they got in Easyjet or Jet 2 who might actually want Cork to succeed.

[akerosid]

It seems FR has a plan for Cork, according to today's Indo:

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=15043

They want to add four more aircraft (which EI will no doubt love), but ... they want to operate from the old terminal.

ORK is apparently in a bit of a fix, because of the debt being transferred to them and I can't imagine FR adding an awful lot of revenue, but it'll certainly add pax numbers.

[fanatic1]

That seems like a really attractive deal. I'd go for it!

But then again, the cost would be immense.

[RE72]

FR

Possible New FR Routes ... In My Opinion


CORK TO:

- Paris Beauvais
- Glasgow Prestwick
- East Midlands
- Madrid
- Frankfurt Hahn
- Brussels Charleroi
- Barcelona Girona
- Edinburgh
- Nantes

[ryan2000]

Ryanair

There is no question of the old terminal being brought back into use. Cork simply can't afford two terminals. There is plenty capacity in the new terminal.

Aerlingus not exploiting Cork's full potential. Plenty room for new Ryanair routes. Aer Arann could be the big loser if Ryanair target ORK to EDI PIK BRS HURN NTE etc.