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[HH6702]

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I think that jet2 will be trying to get the correct lot needed for the 2x daily flights to ams. Load have been great.


ECA ha taken over the AJY sunday morning LCA flights for 07

24-Jun-2007 Newcastle - Larnaca (Cyprus)
11:00 / 17:40 (4 hours 40 minutes) (ECA)

01-Jul-2007 Larnaca (Cyprus) - Newcastle
07:00 / 10:00 (5 hours 0 minutes) (ECA -)

[HH6702]

Nce & Bud

The above is advertised for march 07 for readers holidays.
Is this going to be easyjet aircraft number 7 or will JET2 or maybe flybe get in there first.

[SWBKCB]

EZY to SXF?

Does anybody know yet if this will return for next summer?

Hope so, cos my sons school (in Northumberland) are expecting to fly out to Prague and back from Berlin next April...

[ncleflights]

Originally Posted by BIG E

I agree customer confidence is low but ultimately if the price is right customers do return,look at ryanair,appalling customer service but its soon forgotten about when they can offer seats for under a tenner.

Don't you think you are generalising a little bit regarding 'easyjet and its staff only have themselves to blame' Fact is the mess was created by someone getting their sums wrong,the rest of the staff are the ones who have had to pick up the pieces,from frontline staff,operations,call centre,crew.All have had a challenging summer,i understand all emails etc are being worked through now,as you can imagine there is a large backlog of understandable complaints.

You are correct non-existent routes should not appear on the website but at the end of the day so what? Nothing to get worked up about is it?

Typical easyjet type response if the price is right passengers will return, what great customer service!! we can treat our passengers with absolute contempt but they will come back if the price is right. Not the case as I said if it business passengers easyjet have upset, they cant risj unreliable airlines.

This may also work for Ryanair who operate to secondary airports and rarely have competition from other airlines one thise routes not the case at NCL as JET2 will be competing directly with easyjet on some routes. Easyjet have also never been able to offer prices as low as those of Ryanair. To give an example Jet2 are offering flights to Palma for next year lower that easyjet did this year and the schedules are better, you arrive mid afternoon with JET2 with Easy in the summer you arrive late at night. Given the problems that easyjet have had this summer it does not take a geneous to work out which airline the travelling public will choose.

I was also not getting particular worked up about easyjet showing non existent routes just pointing out that they can't get the basics right and show folks where they actually fly, perhaps Im asking too much of an airline!!

[crewboi83]

Jet2 NCL AMS

If anyone has seen the flight guide that is availible from onboard or from ticket desks it states destinations and the amount of times daily each services runs but not times etc etc
It states summer 07 NCL AMS is only once daily.
This could be an error, or it could be changed.
RE gaps in the flying programme for Jet2
Is that just summer or winter?
The 757s programme is pretty much packed except the tue and wed which, if you look at their flights from most airports are the 2 days where they have a lot of down time.
737s are quite busy too. dont think there is much room for that many, if any new routes
Again could be wrong, anyone got any other info plz let me know

[fl dutchman]

RYR Dublin

EI must be affecting them on this route. They have dropped late flight on Tue/ Wed and moved the early morning Mon to lunchtime.

[BIG E]

ncleflights

As stated previously there is no disputing S06 was unacceptable but fact is money does talk,not everyone has the option of picking and choosing which airline they fly with,they will generally choose the cheapest option,be it jet2,ryanair or easyjet.The beach routes jet2 and easy are competing on next summer can easily sustain multiple daily flights,its easy to forget if it wasn't for the likes of ryanair and easyjet, newbies like jet2 and bmi baby etc wouldn't be in existence..

[Greek God]

Typical easyjet type response if the price is right passengers will return, what great customer service!! we can treat our passengers with absolute contempt but they will come back if the price is right. Not the case as I said if it business passengers easyjet have upset, they cant risj unreliable airlines.

I believe Big E said customers "do" return not will. A small word changes the whole tone and I certainly don't detect the arrogance you appear to see! Customer confidence has been hit hard and it will take a long while for it to return, however, it was a management error and for the most part the local staff did exceptionally well in continuing their duties in the face of exterme frustration both on the pax side and thier own. Although all come under the Easy mantle most descision making is not done at a local level. As an aside, and unsolicited, I got a £25 voucher for use against another flight and an apology from EZY for the disruption caused by a cancelled flight. I gather they sent these apologies out to all disrupted pax- Don't see FR or J2 doing that!

[BIG E]

Good Point Greek God, easyjet is certainly not complacent about retaining its customers which is why it offers better customer service than other loco carriers when things go wrong,i'm not saying its perfect but not many offer the same compensatory levels as easy.

[Marra123]

On the debate about Easyjet and Jet2, Is it just me or does anyone else believe they are alot different?
Easyjet use 5 737-700s at NCL they are used basically non stop from morning till night and have a 25 minute turn around. With flights to domestic and european destinatons. I dont think Jet2 are much of a threat to EZY at the minute. Next year jet2 are flying to Malaga and Palma which EZY already oprerate 7days a week, I know easyjet have had alot of problems ovr the summer but these were mainly domestic routes such as Bristol and Stansted, which jet2 dont operate and I cant see them operating in the future. With regards to Jet2 taking easyjet passengers off the AGP and PMI routes I cant see this happening as Easyjet operate a good service on these routes and the 'package holiday' type passenger isnt to fussed which airline they fly with as long as its cheap! . Back to easyjets daily operation where for expample this morning there was STN,AGP,BRS,BFS and PMI all outbound by 8am, Jet2s schedule was AMS at 9am but no other flights before 12pm.....my point here is what do they do with there aircraft? why dont these use them at full capacity and do people think they will still offer great operational service if the aircraft were used to full capacity with 30min turnarounds?

[ncleflights]

Originally Posted by Marra123

..... With regards to Jet2 taking easyjet passengers off the AGP and PMI routes I cant see this happening as Easyjet operate a good service on these routes and the 'package holiday' type passenger isnt to fussed which airline they fly with as long as its cheap! . ?

I agree the summer holiday maker is not that bothered as long as the flights are cheap and to go back to my example Jet 2 will operate daily to Palma in direct competition with easyjet. They currently are offering lower flight prices for next year than easyjet did for this summer. The summer schedule is better with Jet2 you arrive mid day with easyjet late at night. Family with two kids is going to choose the airline that is cheaper and gets them and their kids to the desitination at a reasonable time. Which unless easyjet do something different next summer is Jet2, if easyjet use the same summer times that you have in the last couple of summers you get to Palma at 23:00 approx which means by the time you arrive in you hotel is the early hours of the next day. These are not ideal times for a family with kids. This is the one route where I think that easyjet are vunerable to Jet2.

I also don't think that sufficient capacity exists to sustain the level of loco flights from ncle to pmi. Easyjet will have 7 per week, Jet 2 7 per week and Thomsonfly 5 a week. The load factors can not be at Newcastle for this kind of schedule to Palma.

Some folks on here seem to think I am anti easyjet which I am not, but I think as far as Newcastle is concerned they have taken their eye of the ball lately. Remember in Summer 05 Newcastle airport were comenting how easyjet would be basing another aircraft at Newcastle in November 05. This was pulled at the last minute, why?

[Marra123]

I think everyone agrees there is far too much of the same at NCL espesially Palma, Why dont the locos do somewhere new and interesting is it they are scared to try something new or is it that they just cant be botherd to? More eastern europe destinations would be useful I know j2 are doing Krakow and Valencia etc but somewhere different like croatia or more flights to France,Italy and Scandanavia, Question is though.....Does the NE have the demand for desinations such as Stokholm or Naples?

[CentreFix25]

With regards to Jet2 taking easyjet passengers off the AGP and PMI routes I cant see this happening

I've just booked to go to PMI next year and chose Jet2 over all the others (inc. EZY) because they were cheaper (£300 for a family of four)and the flight times were better (a big consideration for famlies with young children)

Why dont the locos do somewhere new and interesting

PMI is tried and tested, sells and makes money (as do AGP and ALC). Their giving us what the majority want.

[BIG E]

As easyjet have not yet released the S07 schedule it is hard to make a direct comparison,if you are looking for the best deal its all about timing,Jet2 have already published next years so the best fares are on offer now,however by the time easyjet publishes its fares around Dec/Jan all the cheap seats on jet2 will have been snapped up in which case it will be cheaper to book with easyjet,once they've all been taken you may find another carrier releasing its schedule and so on.

With regard to new routes there are a number of considerations,firstly do you dump a tried and tested route in favour of an untested one? The costs involved of starting new routes are pretty significant,advertising,new airport start up costs etc.Airlines will therefore consolidate routes they currently fly because they know what works and what doesn't.Bearing in mind the route network out of Newcastle now compared to 5 years ago its still pretty impressive.

[crewboi83]

Greekgod.... your right I cant see Jet2 offering vouchers and apologies to disrupted pax, wanna know why? Because in all the time i been with Jet2 Ive never known them cancel a flight! Even in aug with all the security issues etc etc. If we have a severe delay then we will draft in an replacement aircraft, or get pax back to UK on another Jet2 flight with transport back to their origional destination. Not ideal but better than just cancelling the flight.

I can see easyjet pax coming over to Jet2, i dont see why not, if you want national express style service then by all means travel easyjet, but at Jet2 its a bit more professional. Im not saying this because i work for J2 but simply ive had the EZY experiance and i dont wish to repeat it.
Our PMI is much better flight times as stated, its cheaper an its on sale now! unlike easyjet who last time i checked still didnt have next summer on sale.
I dont see a prob with load figures, look at MAN, flights to PMI are operated by XLA, FCA, TOM, TCX, MON (low cost and charter) WW, LS, AEU and MYT and our PMI on the 757 was still full most days.

Will be interesting to see how the summer goes, but as far as im aware PMI is selling well

[HH6702]

ryanair dubin

The change of time on monday and no evening flight on tue and wed was the plan. before ei can onto the route.
Look at the airport timetable the flight start again on the evenings in the new year

Anybody know what the next FR new route will be?

[skyman771]

Can't really see where all this banter of Easy vs Jet2 is leading. To me it's very simple. On routes that are duplicated then it simply comes down to the all encompassing word 'Service' which consists of numerous elements including flight timings / frequency & price. Some people value price paramount, others are able take a more pragmatic view. Accepted that marketing has a strong influence & on this score Easy probably has the highest profile & thus the most to lose should their performance not be seen to be up to scratch. But in reality I really can not see that Easy's problems this year if not replicated in future will have one jot of an effect on next years bookings though clearly competition will, and this is always good for the consumer even though it may be seen to be to the long detriment of the airlines.
Personally I have to date had only positive experiences on my use of EZY out of NCL, & thus there is also the 'brand loyalty', but unless in the unlikely event of a head to head on both timings & cost then this is basically irrelevant, as indeed would be 'brand aversion' to other punters.

[crewboi83]

your right skyman, but at the end of the day its all a matter of personal opionion, you have had good experiences with sleezy i havnt, so id much rather go ryanair or J2, im sure ppl have had both good and bad experiences with both.
The banter about J2 vs U2 isnt leading anywhere it was simply a discussion about the two airlines competing against each other!

[lukeylad]

I noticed the flyjet 767 at NCL today is she now operating from NCL??

[one on one]

Flyjet 767

Well it is official G-FJEC is flying out of NCL, first flight was to ACE.
So as they say, all good things come to those who wait!

"May god bless this aircraft and all who fly in her" Hip Hip Horay

Well Done everyone at Silverjet & Flyjet