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Biz passengers on domestic routes rare nowadays!! I use domestic flights every week and the majority of passengers are those on business. Where have you got your stats from? Also if your going to LGW your probably going to the south of London (Surrey Sussex etc) so the chances are your not going to use the train as KX is to the North of London so after spending 3-4 hours on the train you then have to get through London(another hour). What you will need though on business is a dependable airline anything else costs your business money.
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If no one takes this route over it will be quite a dent in the pax nos from NCL.
It looks like the NCL-LGW did about 20,000 per month,almost quarter of a million per year.
If I have done my sums right the average load per flight is about 80 pax based on 4 flts per day, and this year has seen an increase in numbers by about 5% compared to last year
So quite a lot of people use it.
I do agree that most pax seem to be leisure on this route these days with onward connections many with B A. So it will make it very difficult to fly from LGW if your in the north east. B A and other airlines at LGW will loose international pax from the area.
Notice that LGW -ABZ does about the same or less pax than LGW-NCL some months and the numbers are down on last year. Is this route in danger.
Read somewhere that B A will continue with NCL-LHR FOR THE TIME BEING,
dont like the sound of that!!!
It looks like the NCL-LGW did about 20,000 per month,almost quarter of a million per year.
If I have done my sums right the average load per flight is about 80 pax based on 4 flts per day, and this year has seen an increase in numbers by about 5% compared to last year
So quite a lot of people use it.
I do agree that most pax seem to be leisure on this route these days with onward connections many with B A. So it will make it very difficult to fly from LGW if your in the north east. B A and other airlines at LGW will loose international pax from the area.
Notice that LGW -ABZ does about the same or less pax than LGW-NCL some months and the numbers are down on last year. Is this route in danger.
Read somewhere that B A will continue with NCL-LHR FOR THE TIME BEING,
dont like the sound of that!!!
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Few more observations - In the real world you won't loose 200,000 pax, either demand will ensure that another operator takes up the route or that pax will simply migrate to other alternatives LHR, STN etc. Though note that the removal of flights that serve the domestic market South of London would obviously result in some reduction.
Secondly a point I raised earlier that has not met any response, what happens to the BA LGW slots? are they available for an alternate Loco ?
As regards equipment, in the earlier discussion it was Danair who first used the 146 on the LGW following the 1-11's, and more up to date, it is not long since BA used Dash 8's on the LGW at weekends & they were not pleasant flights! Perish the thought that progress may dictate that we could return to Dash 8's with BE !
Finally to counter the moaning re EZY relaibility re the NCL-BRS, I recall one day turning up for the BA early morning LGW facing chaos as it had been canx due to crew problems, was not good as I lost a CO connection to EWR. These things happen it's looking forward that matters.
Few more observations - In the real world you won't loose 200,000 pax, either demand will ensure that another operator takes up the route or that pax will simply migrate to other alternatives LHR, STN etc. Though note that the removal of flights that serve the domestic market South of London would obviously result in some reduction.
Secondly a point I raised earlier that has not met any response, what happens to the BA LGW slots? are they available for an alternate Loco ?
As regards equipment, in the earlier discussion it was Danair who first used the 146 on the LGW following the 1-11's, and more up to date, it is not long since BA used Dash 8's on the LGW at weekends & they were not pleasant flights! Perish the thought that progress may dictate that we could return to Dash 8's with BE !
Finally to counter the moaning re EZY relaibility re the NCL-BRS, I recall one day turning up for the BA early morning LGW facing chaos as it had been canx due to crew problems, was not good as I lost a CO connection to EWR. These things happen it's looking forward that matters.
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I suspect this route has a lot of high yielding passengers transferring to BA's LGW-IAH so whilever BA have to serve IAH non stop from LGW I think LGW-ABZ has a good chance of not being axed
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I must admit, I used the LGW-NCL service this weekend, it was just about full both ways - commuting Crew I know do seem to use it quite a bit - and though some of them will be non-revenue pax, there were quite a few business travellers on there.
Its a shame it will go - now the North East won't have a connection with LGW (bmibaby pulling out of MME) so I hope there is someone else to take over!...
Its a shame it will go - now the North East won't have a connection with LGW (bmibaby pulling out of MME) so I hope there is someone else to take over!...
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I assume it will be EZY, LS or BE. I can't see anyone else being interested? At least we will keep the route and if it is a loco then it will hopefully boost the pax numbers a little.
BA have obviously been planning this for a little while so I am surprised they didn't move the route to BE as part of the BACON transfer? Seems odd.
BA have obviously been planning this for a little while so I am surprised they didn't move the route to BE as part of the BACON transfer? Seems odd.
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Jet2 operate MAN-LGW, so I'm guessing it could be them. They have spare capacity in their based aircraft at NCL, so maybe 2xdaily flights, morning and evening? Easyjet is a possibility, though with LGW based equipment I suspect. BE, are possibly an outside contender as they have neither a base at LGW or as yet NCL. Even though they run a sustantial operation from LGW, it is all using other bases aircraft, therefore alot of w patterns would be involved. This is all on the condition that a particular carrier can gain slots at LGW for operating a service, bearing in mind that current ops on the route are at peak times and BA are still saying it is not profitable.
And what is the problem with props? They enable routes to start, with a lesser financial risk, i.e generally cheaper to run and their smaller capacity is suited to niche routes from smaller airports, such as NCL. I, for one would not have a problem with BE Dash8's starting new routes from NCL, or infact getting based if it means more employment for the region and more expansion for the airport.
Flyjet is using 767 at NCL, believe it is being used to get the aircraft flying more regular as has been on the ground some time. Kind of like a shakedown I suppose. Good news though, flyjet seem to be on the up and they make a nice little addition to NCL's based aircraft count.
Emirates and A330? Seems to be more believeable, particularly if there is less premium capacity??? That new airbridge is ear-marked for someone, but is it EK, if not then WHO?
And what is the problem with props? They enable routes to start, with a lesser financial risk, i.e generally cheaper to run and their smaller capacity is suited to niche routes from smaller airports, such as NCL. I, for one would not have a problem with BE Dash8's starting new routes from NCL, or infact getting based if it means more employment for the region and more expansion for the airport.
Flyjet is using 767 at NCL, believe it is being used to get the aircraft flying more regular as has been on the ground some time. Kind of like a shakedown I suppose. Good news though, flyjet seem to be on the up and they make a nice little addition to NCL's based aircraft count.
Emirates and A330? Seems to be more believeable, particularly if there is less premium capacity??? That new airbridge is ear-marked for someone, but is it EK, if not then WHO?
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I would have to agree with transwede on this one my money is on Jet2. I would assume ncle airport has known for some time that BA were about to axe this route and this may be why Jet 2 have not released their Amsterdam flights for SO7 because the aircraft is going to be used on a NCL to LGW route.
I also agree with the comment on props, I actually prefer the prop operation to Belfast City than the jet service to Belfast International. The Q400 used on this route is very comfortable, more so in my opinion than the 737s going into International. The Q400s used by FLYBE also allow routes to be developed that a 737 would not which all benefit the region an the airport.
I also agree with the comment on props, I actually prefer the prop operation to Belfast City than the jet service to Belfast International. The Q400 used on this route is very comfortable, more so in my opinion than the 737s going into International. The Q400s used by FLYBE also allow routes to be developed that a 737 would not which all benefit the region an the airport.
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The discussion regarding NCL - LGW is an interesting one. Please remember there isn't a direct link between between passenger numbers and money, Airlines need yield. Someone mentioned LGW used to have 6 rotations of RJ100, it did and it lost more money then. For BA the yield from NCL will be Heathrow.
Someone mentioned ABZ - this isn't a fair comparison. The oil industry will support the route through corporate deals and will want the connection to Houston. Until Bermuda II is replaced by open skies (when the IAH will move to LHR so it connects with Lagos and Moscow etc) the ABZ-LGW will be safe.
Someone mentioned ABZ - this isn't a fair comparison. The oil industry will support the route through corporate deals and will want the connection to Houston. Until Bermuda II is replaced by open skies (when the IAH will move to LHR so it connects with Lagos and Moscow etc) the ABZ-LGW will be safe.
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on another popular aviation forum they are claiming that NCL to DXB will be announced soon, due to commence daily from september 2007 using A330-200 aircraft. They also claim that Toronto, sao paulo, Houston and Venice are to be announced aswell
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This has already been discussed earlier. The NCL - DXB will commence next September as you have said. It looks like its refuring to other routes that Emirates are going to operate, not from NCL unfortunately. We can always hope!!
This has already been discussed earlier. The NCL - DXB will commence next September as you have said. It looks like its refuring to other routes that Emirates are going to operate, not from NCL unfortunately. We can always hope!!
"It (BA) is considering adding to or increasing the size of the planes it flies on the six daily return flights between Newcastle and Heathrow."
hmm, time will tell...
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Jet2 to take over NCL-LGW route on March 25th '07 flying 3 times daily - taken just now from BBC News website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6171010.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6171010.stm
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Any idea of times for new Jet2 service to LGW? Take it there will be a morning, evening and midday flights - that way suits business and leisure pax!
Every other aviation forum discussing EK DXB service, could it possibly be true, though numerous comments have dissed the service before it has even started!! Would be a jewel in NCL's route structure.
BE routes - well lets wait and see!!! Lets hope for some people, any new movements are not on a prop aircraft?!
Every other aviation forum discussing EK DXB service, could it possibly be true, though numerous comments have dissed the service before it has even started!! Would be a jewel in NCL's route structure.
BE routes - well lets wait and see!!! Lets hope for some people, any new movements are not on a prop aircraft?!