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Thin end of a wedge.
Although if BE continue their practice of dropping a rotation in the so called slacker periods, then maybe frequency overall won't be affected.
Incidentally just saw the SPCo figures for Feb - significant reduction. Explains why LPL is so strong.
Although if BE continue their practice of dropping a rotation in the so called slacker periods, then maybe frequency overall won't be affected.
Incidentally just saw the SPCo figures for Feb - significant reduction. Explains why LPL is so strong.
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if it's the thin end of the wedge of usually £200 minumum to get to gatwick and back then that's fine by me.
Flybe have been taking the michael with fares on and off the rock for too long, yessir. Nothing wrong with competition -after all its ruined many a good airline here but no tears were shed then.
waiting for haq to come back with a treatise (? read it in a book once) on why flybe is so good for us.
Flybe have been taking the michael with fares on and off the rock for too long, yessir. Nothing wrong with competition -after all its ruined many a good airline here but no tears were shed then.
waiting for haq to come back with a treatise (? read it in a book once) on why flybe is so good for us.
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Tinwald I don't particularly like FlyBe. I get really annoyed by their fare gouging booking system (I now see the admin fee/card fee is now around £13 per booking - great if you're in a family but a 250% increase for me flying solo). I have done a few sectors on Easyjet and it was ok (I can take my BA sized carry on as a carry on - with FlyBe it goes in the hold).
What concerns me as a frequent flyer on both business and leisure is that one big Airbus can carry twice as many as the Dash 8 and thus without an chunky increase in pax numbers fewer flights are needed for the same numbers, Ergo (it's like "treatise" - look it up in your book) frequency will fall. And it is frequency which the business travellers need. And we leisure pax don't really like hanging around Gatwick after rocking up from our holiday too late to catch the early flight, do we?
So if FlyBe throw a hissy fit that's a max of two flights a day to/from Gatwick then. Not good, I suggest. Back to the dark ages.
On the £200 per ticket front don't you remember paying £166 APEX or similar with Manx? 20 years ago? Ronaldsway is an expensive airport to operate into I'm told, and Gatwick is getting dearer. Fuel has gone up a bit too. OK if you book a decade ahead you may get a cheap ticket, but I reckon £200 a week in advance is probably about right.
What concerns me as a frequent flyer on both business and leisure is that one big Airbus can carry twice as many as the Dash 8 and thus without an chunky increase in pax numbers fewer flights are needed for the same numbers, Ergo (it's like "treatise" - look it up in your book) frequency will fall. And it is frequency which the business travellers need. And we leisure pax don't really like hanging around Gatwick after rocking up from our holiday too late to catch the early flight, do we?
So if FlyBe throw a hissy fit that's a max of two flights a day to/from Gatwick then. Not good, I suggest. Back to the dark ages.
On the £200 per ticket front don't you remember paying £166 APEX or similar with Manx? 20 years ago? Ronaldsway is an expensive airport to operate into I'm told, and Gatwick is getting dearer. Fuel has gone up a bit too. OK if you book a decade ahead you may get a cheap ticket, but I reckon £200 a week in advance is probably about right.
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I have mixed views on all this. I am a regular passenger on IOM-LGW (50-60 sectors a year); I am nearly always able to book well ahead; have an Electron card; usually travel light; so seldom pay more that £65 for a round trip, although I notice future fares are currently above that level. Current frequency is good and I have used each of BE's eight daily flights at some point in the last year.
On one level, anything that enables me to carry on enjoying cheap fares, and frequency, is good news.
However, I doubt that the London market is anything like as elastic as Liverpool, where the arrival of Easyjet has sucked passengers away from the Steam Packet, although, if you look closely at the figures, FlyBe are actually growing their share on that route more than EZY, due to frequency.
On the other hand, a single A319 is more or less the same number of seats that have just been lost on IOM-LCY. Obviously not a direct substitute in any shape or form, but in terms of the overall London market capacity, perhaps it is sustainable.
Much will depend on timing and frequency. Perhaps FlyBe will be able soak up the higher yielding business PAX displaced from LCY, and won't be too bothered about shedding low yielding leisure punters?
Time will tell how this plays out........
On one level, anything that enables me to carry on enjoying cheap fares, and frequency, is good news.
However, I doubt that the London market is anything like as elastic as Liverpool, where the arrival of Easyjet has sucked passengers away from the Steam Packet, although, if you look closely at the figures, FlyBe are actually growing their share on that route more than EZY, due to frequency.
On the other hand, a single A319 is more or less the same number of seats that have just been lost on IOM-LCY. Obviously not a direct substitute in any shape or form, but in terms of the overall London market capacity, perhaps it is sustainable.
Much will depend on timing and frequency. Perhaps FlyBe will be able soak up the higher yielding business PAX displaced from LCY, and won't be too bothered about shedding low yielding leisure punters?
Time will tell how this plays out........
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LGW-IOM
1345 1510 EZY853 319 Non-Stop 01:25 hrs North Terminal
IOM-LGW
1540 1700 EZY854 319 Non-Stop 01:20 hrs
Mon, Wed, Thur, Fri
1345 1510 EZY853 319 Non-Stop 01:25 hrs North Terminal
IOM-LGW
1540 1700 EZY854 319 Non-Stop 01:20 hrs
Mon, Wed, Thur, Fri
ITS ACTUALLY
dep iom 1625 mon, thu, fri. sun
operate some wed and some sat
departs LGW at 1430
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Timings are not great for the IOM commuters, but it's a start, and a shot across the bows on Flybe. A Sunday Evening and Friday Evening would have been great for business & long weekenders, lets hope this is another toe in the Irish Sea....more please, although it's been on the cards for a at least a year now 
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ezy LGW IOM
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EZY are only using slots at Gatwick so thay wont lose them
They will drop the route as quickly as they started it if another destination comes up
Fly Be are not bothered as the competion only use the IOM as they want to
Flybe serve IOM all year round providing an excellant service and I think a lot of the regulars know this
Easy will come and go as they need to use A/C sat round doing nothing and can utilize them for a Quickie (To IOM and Back)
Mid u Nothing wrong with a Quickie
Love to all
EZY are only using slots at Gatwick so thay wont lose them
They will drop the route as quickly as they started it if another destination comes up
Fly Be are not bothered as the competion only use the IOM as they want to
Flybe serve IOM all year round providing an excellant service and I think a lot of the regulars know this
Easy will come and go as they need to use A/C sat round doing nothing and can utilize them for a Quickie (To IOM and Back)
Mid u Nothing wrong with a Quickie
Love to all
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Fly Be are not bothered as the competion only use the IOM as they want to
Flybe serve IOM all year round providing an excellant service and I think a lot of the regulars know this
Flybe serve IOM all year round providing an excellant service and I think a lot of the regulars know this
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Skipness, care to give examples of this "willy nilly" cancelling?? I notice you are based in London so how often do you actually fly with BE to IOM?
If an airline operates a route 4 times a day a tech fault, weather, ATC delays whatever may mean more disruption than an airline operating once a day. It is customer perception and not at all realistic when considering the size of the operation.
For those that think EZY moving on to the rock is a good idea, lets put it in to perspective. These are not exact as some of the 'daily' services dont include weekends but I am just trying to give an example of BEs network from IOM.
BHX - 2 x daily
LPL - 4 x daily
LGW - 4 x daily
LTN - 5 x weekly
MAN - 5 x daily
EDI - daily (Loganair)
GLA - daily (Loganair)
NWI - 1 x weekly (Loganair)
BRS - 3 x weekly (summer)
JER - weekly (summer)
PMI, IBZ, MAH - Summer Charters
GVA - 1 x weekly (winter)
Why is it that Flybe are continually criticised? Their fares are reasonable if booked in advance. Try booking a last minute flight with EasyJet or Ryanair and see what cheap fares are available. BE service is good, with lounges and a FFP.
I do not understand why this airline which came in and took over a number of routes from previously failing carriers, securing local jobs for local residents still have such a negative following on here. 2007 was a bad year following BAcon acquisition because of old crappy planes acquired and some crew that moved across with oversized egos. These have been rectified so can we try and see the positives???
I am not interested in this turning in to an argument. I am more than aware of a select few who gang together on this forum. But it is getting boring now listening to the same old tripe being typed on here by 'aviation professionals'
If an airline operates a route 4 times a day a tech fault, weather, ATC delays whatever may mean more disruption than an airline operating once a day. It is customer perception and not at all realistic when considering the size of the operation.
For those that think EZY moving on to the rock is a good idea, lets put it in to perspective. These are not exact as some of the 'daily' services dont include weekends but I am just trying to give an example of BEs network from IOM.
BHX - 2 x daily
LPL - 4 x daily
LGW - 4 x daily
LTN - 5 x weekly
MAN - 5 x daily
EDI - daily (Loganair)
GLA - daily (Loganair)
NWI - 1 x weekly (Loganair)
BRS - 3 x weekly (summer)
JER - weekly (summer)
PMI, IBZ, MAH - Summer Charters
GVA - 1 x weekly (winter)
Why is it that Flybe are continually criticised? Their fares are reasonable if booked in advance. Try booking a last minute flight with EasyJet or Ryanair and see what cheap fares are available. BE service is good, with lounges and a FFP.
I do not understand why this airline which came in and took over a number of routes from previously failing carriers, securing local jobs for local residents still have such a negative following on here. 2007 was a bad year following BAcon acquisition because of old crappy planes acquired and some crew that moved across with oversized egos. These have been rectified so can we try and see the positives???
I am not interested in this turning in to an argument. I am more than aware of a select few who gang together on this forum. But it is getting boring now listening to the same old tripe being typed on here by 'aviation professionals'
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For those that think EZY moving on to the rock is a good idea, lets put it in
to perspective
However, in the case of Flybe, while they can be hailed great for supporting the IOM, dont be under any illusion, they are a commercial business and do so only because it is providing a return to them. If it wasnt paying they wouldnt be there.
My personal view is that Flybe while they may be painted as a small carrier, they have significant clout and leverage at many airports where they have monopolies. E.g. Exeter, Isle of Man, Belfast City (biggest operator), maybe some of the channel Islands etc. They know how to charge and some competition may be good for the competitive landscape. the size of the 319 will restrict Easyjet from going to high on frequency.
Easyjet will take careful steps, just as in the case of Liverpool, building the service up and now the time is right to go onto IOM London.
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2007 was a bad year following BAcon acquisition because of old crappy planes acquired and some crew that moved across with oversized egos. These have been rectified so can we try and see the positives???
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EI-BUD - ermm thanks for your reply 
I am not suggesting they are in any way different to any other carrier - money is money and business is business. What I am trying to do is point out that if BE were not on the island it is unlikely the same number of services would be retained at the same frequency by another carrier. Regional airlines in the UK with similar sized, economic aircraft are few and far between really.
A bit of support wouldnt kill anyone would it. I have no doubt that BE will continue its operations succesfully on the rock with or without competition from the big orange bus I just get a little tired of hearing negative comments about an operation which a lot of people work hard to maintain - in some cases lifeline links to the mainland.
I didnt say it was IOM aircraft or crew did I - although I have to admit I forgot that IOM was E145 based, thought you had one of the old Brymon Dash's! If I recall correctly IOM was one of few places where staff realised the change over was worthwhile in securing their salaries. However it was the operation on a larger scale elsewhere which got bashed and BE had to use the 'working resources' as much as they could ultimately having an impact on every single airport at some stage. As I say above, it gets very tedious reading comments like "Flybe cancel willy nilly" when we know thats a load of rubbish.
Someone has to stand up and defend the company, and the huge number of employees working hard for them who also read this forum.
Anyway changes are on the way so give it 12 months and hopefully the opinions of many will be very different.
However, in the case of Flybe, while they can be hailed great for supporting the IOM, dont be under any illusion, they are a commercial business and do so only because it is providing a return to them. If it wasnt paying they wouldnt be there.
A bit of support wouldnt kill anyone would it. I have no doubt that BE will continue its operations succesfully on the rock with or without competition from the big orange bus I just get a little tired of hearing negative comments about an operation which a lot of people work hard to maintain - in some cases lifeline links to the mainland.
Nothing wrong with the E145 that was here, far more reliable than the Q400. Also, there were no over inflated egos on the IOM, quite the opposite in fact
Someone has to stand up and defend the company, and the huge number of employees working hard for them who also read this forum.
Anyway changes are on the way so give it 12 months and hopefully the opinions of many will be very different.
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I'm in total agreement with you, but as we're on an IOM forum, one could be forgiven for thinking you were being specific about the IOM in your criticism.
There will always be a vocal few who have other agendas, who will always moan about and slag Flybe at any opportunity. It's the same in all walks of life.
There will always be a vocal few who have other agendas, who will always moan about and slag Flybe at any opportunity. It's the same in all walks of life.
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If LGW works for EZY, you can expect MAN in a years time. Thus IOM could have up to 6 EZY departures a day, who would have thought that two years ago?
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EZY would not be interested in any other routes, these would be the only ones to make money and fit their business model. They are a business and thus why would they look at any other routes?
IOM passengers will benefit from it in the long run. Flybe won't be going anywhere, they have already had their spat with LGW over charges but it is a cash cow for them and remain so. EZY won't be doing any red-eyes.
Customer choice is something IOM needs, not just in aviation!
IOM passengers will benefit from it in the long run. Flybe won't be going anywhere, they have already had their spat with LGW over charges but it is a cash cow for them and remain so. EZY won't be doing any red-eyes.
Customer choice is something IOM needs, not just in aviation!