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The branding is awful. Are they a low cost airline? Are they are charter airline? In reality, they are a bit of both, but it must be impossible for their customers both potential and actual to differentiate, thus leading to some confusion?
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Am a bit perplexed as to why the article that the 4,000 jobs at TUi UK possibly going, instantly means that Thomsonfly will stop, and all the flights shall be Tuifly?
The simple fact of the matter is that at present with the decline in numbers of package holidays being sold in general, Thomson(fly) is looking at using the dynamic packaging way of booking a holiday, whereby a customer will choose the dates they want to travel and the accomodation they want....gradually phasing out the package holiday. Therefore, if anything then it will be more the package holiday side if things that shall be looking at job losses....the Glasgow call centre being the first unfortunate victim. Will there be the need for so many reps abroad (employed by TUi UK), if people book just flight and accomodation? Will tehre be a need for those who produce the glossy magazines to sell the package deals?
The job losses at TUi UK, do not necessarily mean the end of the airline, but whoever the unfortunate alleged 4,000 might be, then my thoughts go to them and their families.
The simple fact of the matter is that at present with the decline in numbers of package holidays being sold in general, Thomson(fly) is looking at using the dynamic packaging way of booking a holiday, whereby a customer will choose the dates they want to travel and the accomodation they want....gradually phasing out the package holiday. Therefore, if anything then it will be more the package holiday side if things that shall be looking at job losses....the Glasgow call centre being the first unfortunate victim. Will there be the need for so many reps abroad (employed by TUi UK), if people book just flight and accomodation? Will tehre be a need for those who produce the glossy magazines to sell the package deals?
The job losses at TUi UK, do not necessarily mean the end of the airline, but whoever the unfortunate alleged 4,000 might be, then my thoughts go to them and their families.
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So - 'the branding is awful' - really?? - well its light years improvement on the lady in the whhelchair! We live in a bold brash world where Airline names need to be painted along the fuselage in the biggest brightest colours possible - can't get much brighter and bigger.
With regards to Charter or scheduled - what difference does it make to the passeneger whther its a C or a J flight? none!
With regards to Charter or scheduled - what difference does it make to the passeneger whther its a C or a J flight? none!
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I said the branding is awful, not the flippin' colour scheme (that is as well)!
Replacing a well known, trusted and reliable brand as was Britannia with the name Thomsonfly was daft, but then again what do I know. Far simpler would have been to re brand the agencies Britannia (Air 2000 into First Choice to mirror the well known agency), but this would not have fitted in with the TUI world wide brand, which currently is not exactly seting the world alight, thus the global predicted redundancies. Quite simply, the name Thomson would have sufficed without the 'fly' bit added!
The winners for sure here were the consultants hired, plenty of fat back pockets I bet?
Replacing a well known, trusted and reliable brand as was Britannia with the name Thomsonfly was daft, but then again what do I know. Far simpler would have been to re brand the agencies Britannia (Air 2000 into First Choice to mirror the well known agency), but this would not have fitted in with the TUI world wide brand, which currently is not exactly seting the world alight, thus the global predicted redundancies. Quite simply, the name Thomson would have sufficed without the 'fly' bit added!
The winners for sure here were the consultants hired, plenty of fat back pockets I bet?
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Britannia are screwed. Pilots on top money with final salary pension schemes to shame BA yet all they do is fly a small number of ageing 757/767's from regional airports. The majority of their pax are package holiday makers, they are owned by a German industrial comglomerate and they offer a product which is part no frill seat only, part build your own holiday and part all inclusive tour. They do long, medium and shorthaul on their 737/757/767's.
Would you ever start with a clean sheet of paper and end up designing a business like this?
No.
Britannia are screwed.
What will happen to the crews has yet to be decided BUT I bet they won't like it.
AP
Would you ever start with a clean sheet of paper and end up designing a business like this?
No.
Britannia are screwed.
What will happen to the crews has yet to be decided BUT I bet they won't like it.
AP
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nothing will happen to the airline.
The retail shops will get less. they have around 780 shops they will go down to around 500
Loads more head office jobs to go and more call centre jobs also.
might be wrong but this is what i think.
The retail shops will get less. they have around 780 shops they will go down to around 500
Loads more head office jobs to go and more call centre jobs also.
might be wrong but this is what i think.
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My take on this is similar to HH607s'
I think that most or all of the retail shops will go (largely because of the trend to computer booking of flights and holidays). This will cover most of the job losses involved.
Some kind of joining up of some of the airlines in the TUI group remains a strong possibility.
I think that most or all of the retail shops will go (largely because of the trend to computer booking of flights and holidays). This will cover most of the job losses involved.
Some kind of joining up of some of the airlines in the TUI group remains a strong possibility.
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HH6702 I hope your right, as crew we have seen a lot of changes,we have seen this airline drop from bieng a well known charter airline to offering a very basic service. In the last month ive heard no end of people say "they would not be surprised if we went down the pan".
We should never of changed our name!
And theres a few crew wondering if its time jump ship!!!
We should never of changed our name!
And theres a few crew wondering if its time jump ship!!!
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You knew where you were with Britannia. It had a strong well known BRITISH branding. Thomsonfly sounds as was said like a disease spread by small insects, red titling on a light blue fuselage is kinda tricky to read and flying a fleet of second hand 1990s 737s and ageing B757 / B767s isn't going to take them anywhere but downwards IMHO.
There is no focus, no sharply defined market to chase, no management direction. It reminds me of the clowns who took the Royal Mail and rebranded it as Consignia and buggered off trousering loads - a- dosh for their pathetic efforts.
Poeple forget that Britannia used to be a trail blazer, B737s and B767s into the UK and all. They haven't bought more than a handful of new aircraft since the late 1990s when the last of the B767-300s was delievered. So no new investment there either. I wouldn't buy shares, good luck to all and I truly hope someone sorts out the mess.
There is no focus, no sharply defined market to chase, no management direction. It reminds me of the clowns who took the Royal Mail and rebranded it as Consignia and buggered off trousering loads - a- dosh for their pathetic efforts.
Poeple forget that Britannia used to be a trail blazer, B737s and B767s into the UK and all. They haven't bought more than a handful of new aircraft since the late 1990s when the last of the B767-300s was delievered. So no new investment there either. I wouldn't buy shares, good luck to all and I truly hope someone sorts out the mess.
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This certainly hit a note with me. Not quite the same situation but Thomson now reminds me of Rover Cars - built on some sort of strategy that people will think if they re-brand into some sort of corporate German label that everything will be okay.
Like saying Rover was now BMW ;-)
...and look what happened to them/
This certainly hit a note with me. Not quite the same situation but Thomson now reminds me of Rover Cars - built on some sort of strategy that people will think if they re-brand into some sort of corporate German label that everything will be okay.
Like saying Rover was now BMW ;-)
...and look what happened to them/
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There is a press conference at 0900Z Friday 15th December
http://www.tuigroup.com/en/pressemed...r06/index.html
You might also like to read this:
http://www.tui-group.com/en/konzern/...UIfly.com.html
http://www.tuigroup.com/en/pressemed...r06/index.html
You might also like to read this:
http://www.tui-group.com/en/konzern/...UIfly.com.html
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Based on the information on their website (which is sketchy in places) they will merge HLX and HF as of January, and they will operate as TUIfly.com (several pictures of the first repainted aircraft in bright yellow are around if you Google). During 2007 the TUIfly.com portal will start including the flight ops of the other TUI airlines. From 2008 they will start rebranding them as TUIfly.com. I suspect that a Corsair 744 painted all yellow will be somewhat lurid! They have placed a 65-aircraft order with Boeing for fleet renewal (not expansion - deliveries 2010-2013, but I can't find any reference as to what they have ordered - mostly 738s I would suspect. They don't mention forming a single airline, but presumably that would be the next step.
2400 jobs to go in the UK, but no mention of where - not too much, if any from Thomsonfly I wouldn't have though given that they don't seem to be making cuts there. Indeed they seem to regard what they have done with the Thomsonfly model as a success, and are rolling it out across the group. here is even mention of more jobs in the airline operation.
2400 jobs to go in the UK, but no mention of where - not too much, if any from Thomsonfly I wouldn't have though given that they don't seem to be making cuts there. Indeed they seem to regard what they have done with the Thomsonfly model as a success, and are rolling it out across the group. here is even mention of more jobs in the airline operation.
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All this speculation and yet the company has yet to inform its employees!
We still know nothing about this, but then again the great thing about working for the "The World of TUI" is we are always the last to know!!!!!
We still know nothing about this, but then again the great thing about working for the "The World of TUI" is we are always the last to know!!!!!
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Well there is a positive side to this, at long last the tail (thomson) has stopped wagging the dog.
When "Flight Plan for the 90's" was announced the tail-slide began as the short term benefit for the shareholders took second place to the long term viability of the company.
Some of us at the time pointed out what would be the consequences of larger aircraft and were proved right. There is no doubt that the directors of Thomsons sat back and watched Easyjet move into our markets. They had an opportunity to stop them in their tracks and didn't.
As a retired long-serving member of staff I am saddened to see what an opportunity was missed by short term-ism by Directors more concerned with their annual bonuses than the long term viability of the company.
When "Flight Plan for the 90's" was announced the tail-slide began as the short term benefit for the shareholders took second place to the long term viability of the company.
Some of us at the time pointed out what would be the consequences of larger aircraft and were proved right. There is no doubt that the directors of Thomsons sat back and watched Easyjet move into our markets. They had an opportunity to stop them in their tracks and didn't.
As a retired long-serving member of staff I am saddened to see what an opportunity was missed by short term-ism by Directors more concerned with their annual bonuses than the long term viability of the company.