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I think the point here is that the incident you refer to related to Euromanx and not to Manx2, so it is not appropriate to discuss it on the manx2 thread - as this implies it was a problem with Manx2.
Also, neither Euromanx or Manx2, to my knowledge use British crews. However, as all crews in Europe are all trained and adhere to Jar-Ops I do not see the problem.
Also, neither Euromanx or Manx2, to my knowledge use British crews. However, as all crews in Europe are all trained and adhere to Jar-Ops I do not see the problem.
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I think the point here is that the incident you refer to related to Euromanx and not to Manx2, so it is not appropriate to discuss it on the manx2 thread - as this implies it was a problem with Manx2.
Also, neither Euromanx or Manx2, to my knowledge use British crews. However, as all crews in Europe are all trained and adhere to Jar-Ops I do not see the problem.
Also, neither Euromanx or Manx2, to my knowledge use British crews. However, as all crews in Europe are all trained and adhere to Jar-Ops I do not see the problem.
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Both EuroManx and Manx2 have British pilots.
And they are up to JAR standards as mentioned so I don't see why being flown to the mainland by a German/Dutch/Other foreign nationality pilot is any different from a British pilot. Unless you know something we don't, Penine Boy?
And after flying with Manx2 (to keep to the correct topic..) on a flight piloted by 2 european pilots I don't see what the problem is.
There are British pilots flying for overseas airlines, who have been trained by various schools throughout Europe and the US... would they be subject to your scrutiny also?
Manx2/Euromanx customers don't pay '£2' per ticket, the prices are average for both airlines on par with other similar airlines flying G-reg a/c.
And if you want to boycott using Manx2/Euromanx simple because the aircraft operate from a non-UK AOC and non-UK registered aircraft, then thats your decision but either way it will have no effect whatsoever on the safety or quality of your flight.
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And they are up to JAR standards as mentioned so I don't see why being flown to the mainland by a German/Dutch/Other foreign nationality pilot is any different from a British pilot. Unless you know something we don't, Penine Boy?
And after flying with Manx2 (to keep to the correct topic..) on a flight piloted by 2 european pilots I don't see what the problem is.
There are British pilots flying for overseas airlines, who have been trained by various schools throughout Europe and the US... would they be subject to your scrutiny also?
Manx2/Euromanx customers don't pay '£2' per ticket, the prices are average for both airlines on par with other similar airlines flying G-reg a/c.
And if you want to boycott using Manx2/Euromanx simple because the aircraft operate from a non-UK AOC and non-UK registered aircraft, then thats your decision but either way it will have no effect whatsoever on the safety or quality of your flight.
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Cumbrianboy, Captainyonder there are British crews on both the jetstream and the Let. It is narrowminded to think that our fellow europeans (who are fully JAR compliant) are any less capable on the flight deck. If it is a matter of language how is your German, Swedish or French these days.
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Did I suggest anyone was any less qualified or capable than anyone else? No I didn't. In fact I was standing up for the whole of the Manx2 team who ever they maybe. I know the Jetstream operation very well, but that is all I will say about that for the moment. I wasn't aware that there were Brits flying the LET but I don't see how that makes any difference whatsoever anyway. It really doesn't matter where you come from to me, we're all capable of exactly the same job.
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Captainyonder, I have to say I agree with you on this , it doesnt matter where the crew come from. So long as they are qualified to do the job. I for one would stand up for the Manx2 team. They are doing there best at the IOM, and especially these days its not easy to survive, especially for a small commuter airline. I wrote to a senior employee of the company with some suggestions for the airline and he replied stating clearly there mission for 2007. They have clear goals and have a good plan going forward.
So I have high hopes for the small Manx operator!
Captainyonder, I have to say I agree with you on this , it doesnt matter where the crew come from. So long as they are qualified to do the job. I for one would stand up for the Manx2 team. They are doing there best at the IOM, and especially these days its not easy to survive, especially for a small commuter airline. I wrote to a senior employee of the company with some suggestions for the airline and he replied stating clearly there mission for 2007. They have clear goals and have a good plan going forward.
So I have high hopes for the small Manx operator!
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Sounds good 
nice one EI-BUD!
I too would be interested to hear some idea of the direction for 2007 for them, but if you can't disclose it that's fine, I'm sure it will be a good year for them all the same.
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RR.
nice one EI-BUD!I too would be interested to hear some idea of the direction for 2007 for them, but if you can't disclose it that's fine, I'm sure it will be a good year for them all the same.
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There is only one fundemental problem with any airline trying to survive on the IOM... the airport handles around 70K pax a month and it is declining. Too many airlines not enough people. The only way to prosper is to remove the opposition, Euromanx have been very successful at that, if Manx2 are to survive they need good loads, (especially now in the winter) and investors with deep pockets. I wish them the best of luck.
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Hi Hansol,
I was reading your post above. I have heard a fair amount of negative feedback on the subject of passenger numbers from the IOM over the past few months. Below is a summary of the annual passenger figures for 02,3,4,5 & 6.
729255, 748103, 773743, 806656, 789155
2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
To be fair to airport the numbers have been growing since well over the last few years with the exception of 2006, but it is not fair to compare 2006 to 2005. 2005 was an exceptional year, with price wars mainly between Euromanx and Aer Arann. Euromanx went through a very rough period financially, on the competing routes it is most likely that neither airlines made alot.
So as regards the comment " only one fundamental problem" is declining passenger numbers , I would say to this that the airlines must make a profit to survive, and more seats does not mean more profit , its the price that they can get for the seats. 2006 was probably a much more profitable year for most IOM routes than 2005.
when you say investors need deep pockets , you are right , but thats the airline business for you. Having the cash resources to withstand highs and lows and exceptional stuff. The challenge for the IOM airlines ie Euromanx and manx2 is to keep costs low and margin at an acceptable level , personally I feel that they need to look at other markets that dont involve the IOM to spread there risk. I realise that Euromanx ventured to Galway last year and it proved costly. However, there are opportunities out there for regional operators. Furthermore , expansion brings to a large extent better unit costs. Such will be the case at Flybe when it merges BA Connect into the business.
I would have concerns about Flybe in the IOM. They are renegotiating there contracts with all airports. If they decided to invest a bit into promotion at the IOM, coupled with some volume deal with the airport, they could do harm. Probably more effecting Euromanx. And as you mentioned 'deep pockets', Flybe will be in a far better position.
Nonetheless I am not sure how soon Flybe will be ready to expand markets like the IOM. But there is a much quicker win at airports like the IOM for them than at some that will provide much low cost competition such as BRS and MAN(examples)
What does anyone think about FLybe and IOM?
Do you believe that IOM airport will give a better deal to Flybe or do you think they will offer same as fees as other airlines? Are they worried about future or are they comfortable that Flybe could be replaced if they left?
Hansol, I can see you point of view but I think we need to look at the big picture. Do you know if Manx2 are connected to Jet2 , I think I read before of some connection?
I was reading your post above. I have heard a fair amount of negative feedback on the subject of passenger numbers from the IOM over the past few months. Below is a summary of the annual passenger figures for 02,3,4,5 & 6.
729255, 748103, 773743, 806656, 789155
2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
To be fair to airport the numbers have been growing since well over the last few years with the exception of 2006, but it is not fair to compare 2006 to 2005. 2005 was an exceptional year, with price wars mainly between Euromanx and Aer Arann. Euromanx went through a very rough period financially, on the competing routes it is most likely that neither airlines made alot.
So as regards the comment " only one fundamental problem" is declining passenger numbers , I would say to this that the airlines must make a profit to survive, and more seats does not mean more profit , its the price that they can get for the seats. 2006 was probably a much more profitable year for most IOM routes than 2005.
when you say investors need deep pockets , you are right , but thats the airline business for you. Having the cash resources to withstand highs and lows and exceptional stuff. The challenge for the IOM airlines ie Euromanx and manx2 is to keep costs low and margin at an acceptable level , personally I feel that they need to look at other markets that dont involve the IOM to spread there risk. I realise that Euromanx ventured to Galway last year and it proved costly. However, there are opportunities out there for regional operators. Furthermore , expansion brings to a large extent better unit costs. Such will be the case at Flybe when it merges BA Connect into the business.
I would have concerns about Flybe in the IOM. They are renegotiating there contracts with all airports. If they decided to invest a bit into promotion at the IOM, coupled with some volume deal with the airport, they could do harm. Probably more effecting Euromanx. And as you mentioned 'deep pockets', Flybe will be in a far better position.
Nonetheless I am not sure how soon Flybe will be ready to expand markets like the IOM. But there is a much quicker win at airports like the IOM for them than at some that will provide much low cost competition such as BRS and MAN(examples)
What does anyone think about FLybe and IOM?
Do you believe that IOM airport will give a better deal to Flybe or do you think they will offer same as fees as other airlines? Are they worried about future or are they comfortable that Flybe could be replaced if they left?
Hansol, I can see you point of view but I think we need to look at the big picture. Do you know if Manx2 are connected to Jet2 , I think I read before of some connection?
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Good post EI-BUD. The problem with the IOM is that there has always been one too many operators, Emerald came and eventually went, Aer Arann came and sort of went, (there seems to be somekind of a wet lease deal with EM). I think Flybe will cherry pick, EM's routes to LPL amd LCY have to be targets, but the manx people have always been very supportive of Euromanx after a rocky start and I could see that as being their advantage. Perhaps EM should attack first with a limited service to BHM and even Gatwick if the slots are there.
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Penine Boy thats yesterdays news, fella, about the low flying. Still foreign aircraft and the certficate from Austria so it seems. That's why me and the fellas cant see how its national like the Redtail boss wants it to be. We don't have a spotters book in the snug so what's this E195 somebodys on about. Any piccies.
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5896707
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Great photo Skiddy. Wouldnt' want to be on that babe tho landing fully laden in the wet at IOM. Mite make the BRS debacle seem childs play...
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Good post EI-BUD. The problem with the IOM is that there has always been one too many operators, Emerald came and eventually went, Aer Arann came and sort of went, (there seems to be somekind of a wet lease deal with EM). I think Flybe will cherry pick, EM's routes to LPL amd LCY have to be targets, but the manx people have always been very supportive of Euromanx after a rocky start and I could see that as being their advantage. Perhaps EM should attack first with a limited service to BHM and even Gatwick if the slots are there.
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Good post EI-BUD. The problem with the IOM is that there has always been one too many operators, Emerald came and eventually went, Aer Arann came and sort of went, (there seems to be somekind of a wet lease deal with EM). I think Flybe will cherry pick, EM's routes to LPL amd LCY have to be targets, but the manx people have always been very supportive of Euromanx after a rocky start and I could see that as being their advantage. Perhaps EM should attack first with a limited service to BHM and even Gatwick if the slots are there.
I agree, Flybe will cherrypick. If Euromanx is well supported by the manx locals they should be thinking about tapping into the LGW route as the primary London airport that it is for the IOM. However, it would be foolish taking on Flybe on routes to any of its bases where it has a vested interest, so maybe I would avoid BHX . Some believe that BE have no strategic interest in the IOM, but as competition intensifies when BACON is integrated and BE is head to head on many WW, EZY and LS routes they may like to go for quick wins to airports like the IOM where LCC dont have access? WHat do you think ?
Quite often I use LPL airport on my way to Spain as a connection point (or when i cant get EZY on BFS ALC), so last July while waiting at the airport got chatting to a guy who works for RE, he said that some deal was done with Euromanx, RE would get the Wet lease deal and get off the LPL and MAN routes. It seems like a total ceasefire happened between the two airlines!!!!
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Everyone assumes Flybe will expand on the island and go onto opposition on some of the routes other than BHX. Personally, I think they'll stay for a summer and do what they have done before, withdraw to the BHX route.and leave Manx2Eastern, Loganair and Euromanx with the rest. Lets face it, all they want BA CON for is the crews and some engineers, oh, and the European routes. The IOM is so far down their list of priorities as to be non existent
Besides, it is not yet certain that BA will give up the IOM-LGW route so....................
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Besides, it is not yet certain that BA will give up the IOM-LGW route so....................
The IOM-LGW, INV-LGW routes are included in the Bacon 'purchase' by FlyBe. As well as pilots, Enginneers and cabin staff, FlyBe get 7 prime slots at LGW probably worth £15 million.
BA in the form of Bacon are leaving IOM! If FlyBe do not make money on IOM LGW this year they will use the slots for a more profitable venture.
For any other operator similar slots at LGW to service IOM are not available and proabbaly as rare as LHR.
The IOM-LGW, INV-LGW routes are included in the Bacon 'purchase' by FlyBe. As well as pilots, Enginneers and cabin staff, FlyBe get 7 prime slots at LGW probably worth £15 million.
BA in the form of Bacon are leaving IOM! If FlyBe do not make money on IOM LGW this year they will use the slots for a more profitable venture.
For any other operator similar slots at LGW to service IOM are not available and proabbaly as rare as LHR.