Manx2

[gms1991]

Originally Posted by captainyonder

I'm suprisied Jetstream Exec haven't gone it alone. To my knowledge they've been involved with four airlines off the island in recent years. Surely Mr Green should consider setting up services in his own right?

To fly where?

Most of the UK is covered from other operators.

Dublin, Jersey, Guernsey, Glasgow, Manchester, Birmingham, Britol, Newcastle, Southampton, Liverpool, London (Gatwick, Luton, City), Edinburgh, Belfast (Int&City), Leeds/Braford, Blackpool.

If there is any other region in the UK, then the airline could find a niche like Manx2.

Also, many of the routes are served by two carriers, and therefore competition is very strong.

I think Manx2 and Euromanx will be the only based carriers for quite a while.

[flyerz111]

I can't help thinking that, with the demise of BNWA, the growth of Manx2, Arann coming off London and the possible Flybe-ization of BA, that the Rock is finally coming close to the nirvana of stability it needs - if everyone holds their nerves, the air transport sector could consists of:

• Flybe on the LGW mainline route, offering connections and London access at reasonable fares, with EMX doing similar on LCY;
• Euromanx on Liverpool with their Aer Arann ATR72, keeping volume available, not fleecing the community with prices and, you've got to admit, doing a pretty good job on fares and frequency given their monopoly,
• Euromanx and BA/BE on Manchester - roonm for a bit of rationalisation of schedules and still some way to go for stability;
• Manx 2 filling the low-volume gaps with low-volume aircraft but the success story of 2006;
• Eastern providing pricey but efficient business and rich-leisure services, but definitely delivering to a market that wants them;
• Arann, now reduced to one route after last years aggression but providing a good service on Dublin;
• Logan dong their bit for Scotland;
• Manx2 and EMX slugging it out on Belfast;

Now, if only Manx 2 would disappear from Belfast City and BA/BE from MAN, we might finally get back to a sustainable air transport infrasturcture of the IOM. Time to get away from any spotty-faced kid with an aircraft thinking there is business to be done on the IOM and time to realise IOM may now, finally, have what it needs? There is little room for route on route competition, but plenty of room for a variety of airlines to keep manners on the others. Please, BA/BE get off MAN, Manx2 or Euromanx get off Belfast City and other carriers, stay away. Stability with compettion is almost there *

[gms1991]

flyerz111

As you say, stability aswell as competition is needed. I think that on two of the strongest routes from the airport, there needs to be at least two airlines. Surprised that nobody has picked up on the LPL route though.

If there was only one carrier per route, then there would be a monoploy, and the island needs airlines to compete to keep prices low and frequencies high.

Just my thoughts.

P.S Totally agree about stability. No more start-ups from IOM PLEASE!

[sqanze]

Originally Posted by captainyonder

I'm suprisied Jetstream Exec haven't gone it alone. To my knowledge they've been involved with four airlines off the island in recent years. Surely Mr Green should consider setting up services in his own right?

Jetstream Expensive Ltd will not set up their own service as they make more dosh for flying for the ticket sellers on the rock!!
no hassle for them..18 pax or 2 pax the a/c rate is the same..
good business with fourth and fith jetstream on the way!!!

[sqanze]

Originally Posted by gms1991

Sorry. Heat of the moment.

Any news on the F50 operator? Said you were offered a job? Can you tell us what they told you or not?

Cheers.

could tell u but then i'd have to kill u.............
only kidding...still commercially sensitive at the moment but it was station managers job at bpl and it was not f50 operator......
a/c size between say a chieftain and a shed????

[manx crab]

flyerz111

Good post, but I think that that in reality the Manchester and Liverpool routes are one market and competition would be best served by having different airlines operating to Man and Lpl just as the London market needs to be looked at as a whole. I think Manx 2 will clean up on the Belfast routes because of their frequency.

If Euromanx were left with London City and Liverpool then it would match up to the number of aircraft they have

[virginblue]

Is there any rationale behind what aircraft serves what route ? I would like to sample a LET410 flight later in the year and I don't want to end up in the Jetstream or Metro. From what I gather, it looks as if LBA is a bit too long for the LET and at BHD, the LET is unwelcome. So do they operate mainly to BLK and BFS ?

BTW, looking at the prices, Manx2 has a somewhat stranging pricing policy on the Belfast routes. From Belfast, BHD is the cheapest at 27 GBP, while from the IOM the noon departure to BFS is the cheapest at 29 GBP. I would have expected that they sell BFS slighty cheaper than BHD in general.

[gms1991]

I know that Let 410 operates to BLK and sometimes the lunchtime flights are operated by Metros.

[red17]

There doesn't seem to be any definite pattern. The LET's generally operate the 1700 IOM - BLK and the 1845 IOM - BFS although now there are two of that type it may appear on other routes at the moment. BHD don't particuarly like the LET.

[virginblue]

What's the story with BHD and the LET ? They have put up with Chieftains and Bandeirantes on the BLK/IOM routes for ages - why all the hassle about the LET all of a sudden ?

[red17]

not entirely sure what BHD's problem is with a LET but have heard from sources they don't approve of this type of a/c. Maybe somebody could give some more info?? I doubt its the european registration as the Metro is the same. Flykeen also had a problem i believe with their a/c and were asked to change it at the next opputunity. BFS don't seem to have a problem.

[True Blue]

Try snobbery for a reason.

It doesn't fit with the image that they are trying to protray as the business airport for N Ireland. Pity business people don't see it that way!

True Blue

[420 HB]

ok everyone there is no problem with the Let. It is fully compliant with all JAR Ops regs. The fact that it requires manual over wing refuelling has sent the "mangement" at BHD into a fit of Health and Safety paranoia. If it isnt wrapped in cotton wool and covered in safety stickers and reviewed by a 10 page risk assessment they dont want to know. Thing is the flight crews and ground engineers are all trained to carry out the procedure. No "risk" to local fuelling staff at all, who to a man are happy to assist the crews. Just some suit in there office trying to justify there exsistance, IMHO

[Hansol]

I think these fuelling problem with the LET should have been considered at Manx2's set up stage, as it is obviously restricting the flexibility of their fleet. Do Ronaldsway still have a problem with the fuelling? I think the other issue with the LET is its suitability for operations from the IOM, the way one nearly blew over in high winds the other day should be a warning sign for all concerned, and before you all get up in arms it was only the LET that had problems while taxiing.

[red17]

So much for the LHR slots. JER has just got 2 return flights a day from june. The slots came up when bmi stopped the paris and mumbai routes. Can't see any chance in the near future for IOM - LHR to be honest.

[gms1991]

Isn't LGW good enough?!

There are great connections to GLA, MAN, LGW and LCY where there are connections to destinations throughout Europe and beyond.

I think a link to AMS or CDG would be better. The airports are smaller (well...just a little) than LHR, and still have the great connections and frequencies to destinations across the globe.

Yes...LHR would be a fantastic route, but wouldn't this threaten the LGW route, which is used mainly for connection flights?

No to LHR - Yes to major continental hub! (AMS, CDG, FRA?)

[red17]

LGW is more than enough for IOM, Paris has already ben tried by 3w and that went tits up

[gms1991]

Manx2 next destination?

Carlisle?
Doncaster/Sheffield?
Humberside?
That new Northern Wales airport?

Surely they aren't going to stick to the current 4 routes? They are currently third in IOM totaal traffic for JAN 07. BA in their sights now!

[Dash-7 lover]

Forget LHR as you'll never get the slots and if by some miracle you did then give it 2 or 3 years and you'll become a BA subsidiary and get fu**ed around for evermore!

[nospeedrestriction9]

It seems they have just launched online check-in.