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How is Wideroe Bergen getting along?
Noticed a DHC8-400 had to return to ABZ due to a warning light yesterday afternoon.
Only 14pax, albeit we are talking about an off-peak flight I suppose.
The cockpit indication was of a fuel leak apparently.
Noticed a DHC8-400 had to return to ABZ due to a warning light yesterday afternoon.
Only 14pax, albeit we are talking about an off-peak flight I suppose.
The cockpit indication was of a fuel leak apparently.
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Looks like the extra (. 9th freq ) is optg only 3 days per week ,in S14.
On day 5 there is an additional rotation 1700 hrs ex LHR , 1920 ex ABZ.
On days 1,3 there is an additional rotation 2100 hrs ex LHR which nightstops
and operates ex ABZ on days 2 ,4 at 0735 hrs.
On day 5 there is an additional rotation 1700 hrs ex LHR , 1920 ex ABZ.
On days 1,3 there is an additional rotation 2100 hrs ex LHR which nightstops
and operates ex ABZ on days 2 ,4 at 0735 hrs.
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Evening paper today has caught up with the airspace issue:
Evening Express - Article - Change to airspace rules could cut Aberdeen flights
Also that for peak S14, Loganair will operate 5x weekday scheduled services t/f Sumburgh (probably some of those with Saab 2000) & apparently 5x t/f Kirkwall.
Loganair have had a busy charter season t/f Sumburgh as well - interesting to see if that continues for the foreseeable.
Evening Express - Article - Change to airspace rules could cut Aberdeen flights
Also that for peak S14, Loganair will operate 5x weekday scheduled services t/f Sumburgh (probably some of those with Saab 2000) & apparently 5x t/f Kirkwall.
Loganair have had a busy charter season t/f Sumburgh as well - interesting to see if that continues for the foreseeable.
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Having looked at the airspace proposals,I can't really see what the problem is.Sure there will be a certain amount of funnelling,but there are ways to separate aircraft perfectly safely inside Controlled Airspace.Vertically,holding etc
This is coming from NATS who have so many Air Traffic Controllers at Aberdeen they have no idea what to do with them all.Why don't they resectorise the INT position into North and South,or have a designated departure controller.Increase the capacity with extra man-power that they already have.
This is coming from NATS who have so many Air Traffic Controllers at Aberdeen they have no idea what to do with them all.Why don't they resectorise the INT position into North and South,or have a designated departure controller.Increase the capacity with extra man-power that they already have.
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Better still have a delivery frequency for early morning clearance during the peak 0600 till 0730 period where all the helis are starting and it's difficult to get a word in edge ways.
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They are overstaffed according to the NATS General Manager and NATS themselves.If they are understaffed then someone is not telling the truth.
I think an extra pair of eyes on Int when it is really busy would be very useful.Whether it is in the form of a North/South/Departure whatever,then it is needed.After all in the 80s that was the set-up.The capacity was reduced then and now when it is getting busier,then are trying to grab airspace instead of making the radar operation more efficient.
I think an extra pair of eyes on Int when it is really busy would be very useful.Whether it is in the form of a North/South/Departure whatever,then it is needed.After all in the 80s that was the set-up.The capacity was reduced then and now when it is getting busier,then are trying to grab airspace instead of making the radar operation more efficient.
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They are overstaffed according to the NATS General Manager and NATS themselves.If they are understaffed then someone is not telling the truth.
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Could well be,but wasn't only me.Anyway I just casually enquired so couldn't care if they said no.Frying much bigger and more interesting fish these days.Enjoy your 
down on Sumburgh,or if your on ABZ then you'll finally deserve what you earn.
down on Sumburgh,or if your on ABZ then you'll finally deserve what you earn.
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TAD,
Okay , I'll bite! Firstly, attributing contraversial private statements to an easily identifiable individual on a public forum is just petty mischief making at it's worst. You have plenty of contacts and therefore I suspect that you probably know exactly what the manpower numbers are at Aberdeen. I request that you delete the post where you supposedly 'quote' a particular individual.
Secondly, the rules and procedures now used at Aberdeen (and Sumburgh) have changed hugely since you left. Unfortunately this leaves you not particularly well qualified to comment on whether Aberdeen based controllers are earning their money or not. It also leaves you years out of date when it comes to assessing the efficiency of the current Aberdeen operation.
Thirdly, no one is trying to 'grab airspace' as you assert. The airspace changes are being imposed on the UK by external regulation. The CAA also stated that in implementing this change throughout the UK the idea was not to change where aircraft flew. Go figure! (Or at least read the documents available on the CAA website.)
Regards, ADIS
Okay , I'll bite! Firstly, attributing contraversial private statements to an easily identifiable individual on a public forum is just petty mischief making at it's worst. You have plenty of contacts and therefore I suspect that you probably know exactly what the manpower numbers are at Aberdeen. I request that you delete the post where you supposedly 'quote' a particular individual.
Secondly, the rules and procedures now used at Aberdeen (and Sumburgh) have changed hugely since you left. Unfortunately this leaves you not particularly well qualified to comment on whether Aberdeen based controllers are earning their money or not. It also leaves you years out of date when it comes to assessing the efficiency of the current Aberdeen operation.
Thirdly, no one is trying to 'grab airspace' as you assert. The airspace changes are being imposed on the UK by external regulation. The CAA also stated that in implementing this change throughout the UK the idea was not to change where aircraft flew. Go figure! (Or at least read the documents available on the CAA website.)
Regards, ADIS
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The retrenchment of bmi shown here------>
BBC News - BMI Regional to scrap five routes
ABZ to BRS, MAN & NWI continue for now but I wonder if they see their near future serving ABZ (& the other retained UK base at BRS) to niche Euro destinations, & inter-Norwegian.
Any news on the early days of KSU?
They're going to have to be creative in the period ahead I think.
Sorry for those that lose their jobs in the changes.
BBC News - BMI Regional to scrap five routes
ABZ to BRS, MAN & NWI continue for now but I wonder if they see their near future serving ABZ (& the other retained UK base at BRS) to niche Euro destinations, & inter-Norwegian.
Any news on the early days of KSU?
They're going to have to be creative in the period ahead I think.
Sorry for those that lose their jobs in the changes.
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Sell-off news gathers pace
Glasgow and Aberdeen airports may be sold off - The Scotsman
I think would be for the better - let HAH concentrate on LHR.
Would like to think given the strength of the local area economically, there would be a few interested - hopefully with the interests of the airport at heart, for both passengers and those airside...maybe.
Potentially more interesting times ahead?
I think would be for the better - let HAH concentrate on LHR.
Would like to think given the strength of the local area economically, there would be a few interested - hopefully with the interests of the airport at heart, for both passengers and those airside...maybe.
Potentially more interesting times ahead?
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Still soaring: Scotland's airports boast new passenger record | Herald Scotland
Good to see all three growing.
The Flybe announcement not so good, although how it plays out here locally remains to be seen.
Good to see all three growing.
The Flybe announcement not so good, although how it plays out here locally remains to be seen.
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Flybe cuts - which routes are at risk?!
Interesting article. ABZ reportedly third highest yielding destination in network behind CDG & AMS although we have nearly twice as many flights. Not at all concerned about any cutbacks occurring at ABZ as a result of the latest announcement.
Interesting article. ABZ reportedly third highest yielding destination in network behind CDG & AMS although we have nearly twice as many flights. Not at all concerned about any cutbacks occurring at ABZ as a result of the latest announcement.
ABZ reportedly third highest yielding destination in network behind CDG & AMS
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bmi to increase Oslo
BBC News - BMI Regional to increase flights from Aberdeen to Oslo
From 3/2/14, twice daily M-Thu. Fri & Su to remain single rotation.
From 3/2/14, twice daily M-Thu. Fri & Su to remain single rotation.
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From Sky News on the rumoured sell-off by HAH, IF they decide to proceed:
Bidders Eye Smaller Heathrow-Owned Airports
This story claims that Global Infrastructure Partners (owners of LGW, LCY) has 'expressed an interest' in acquiring ABZ.
Others include MAG & Ferrovial themselves.
All early days, and nothing official yet of course - and HAH may decide against selling.
Bidders Eye Smaller Heathrow-Owned Airports
This story claims that Global Infrastructure Partners (owners of LGW, LCY) has 'expressed an interest' in acquiring ABZ.
Others include MAG & Ferrovial themselves.
All early days, and nothing official yet of course - and HAH may decide against selling.