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My main point is that logic dictates as Emirates grows (and gets a brand new airport and doubles it's fleet) their connections grow, the cities they fly to and connect to grow, the more markets they open up and even create for themselves. The African capitals will be targets for Emirates down the line, being some of the fastest growing countries in the world.
It is possible that canberra wasn't trying to insult my intelligence but I would consider that I do have a very good knowledge of current political situations and war zones.
When you mention my sense of commercial reality I'm aware that I do see a completely idealistic version of events and that if I did run an airline it probably wouldn't last very long but I have proven myself correct with some predictions, mainly around Newcastle.
I do listen a lot, but I like to put my point across, and I thank you for correcting me and explaining politely. Although I still stand by Emirates having a lot of expanding to do... And it's not like they haven't shocked before.
It is possible that canberra wasn't trying to insult my intelligence but I would consider that I do have a very good knowledge of current political situations and war zones.
When you mention my sense of commercial reality I'm aware that I do see a completely idealistic version of events and that if I did run an airline it probably wouldn't last very long but I have proven myself correct with some predictions, mainly around Newcastle.
I do listen a lot, but I like to put my point across, and I thank you for correcting me and explaining politely. Although I still stand by Emirates having a lot of expanding to do... And it's not like they haven't shocked before.
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We are getting close to understanding each other
I have just come back from a trip to Thailand on Emirates (my ?th visit) and was wowed by them. (previously, SG,TG,CX & what is Ethiad's code?)
Etihad & Emirates are rocking the airline world but this forum is not just your stage. Step back, we are listening but you just need to "let it go" for today...
You have an orators voice but "logic dictates as Emirates grows " ....
Think Pan Am, TWA. Laker.....
Can I suggest you start a new thread along the lines of "How big could Emirates really become?"
Take the conversation to another forum and you will have a field of people engage with you.
Look forward to it.
Etihad & Emirates are rocking the airline world but this forum is not just your stage. Step back, we are listening but you just need to "let it go" for today...
You have an orators voice but "logic dictates as Emirates grows " ....
Think Pan Am, TWA. Laker.....
Can I suggest you start a new thread along the lines of "How big could Emirates really become?"
Take the conversation to another forum and you will have a field of people engage with you.
Look forward to it.
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Hahaha, I'll consider that thread but I could see it going bad, even if it were made exactly for discussing possible growth and pipe dreams etc. Someone would disagree or say it was pointless discussing etc.
Etihad's code is EY
I accept the constructive criticism and apologise for breaking the thread, I'm really glad to see Emirates bringing the A380 to Dusseldorf, hope Germany opens up a bit more to them.
Etihad's code is EY
I accept the constructive criticism and apologise for breaking the thread, I'm really glad to see Emirates bringing the A380 to Dusseldorf, hope Germany opens up a bit more to them.
I am also aware that Emirates still serve plenty of dangerous countries round the world: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya
And plenty of "unstable" countries around the world: Sudan, Nigeria, Pakistan. Some may even include Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Zimbabwe, Angola and Iran (or more) on this list although I personally wouldn't.
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Just a minor point...im fairly certain Emirates aren't doubling their fleet. Yes they have a lot of orders but a large proportion of those are to replace existing 777's coming off lease, A330's and A340's.
Of course some of the new aircraft are for growth but they certainly won't double their fleet.
Also, you have to bear in mind that the smallest A/C they have at the moment is the A330 (which I believe are going soon) and some of these destinations mentioned probably wouldn't have the demand to fill that never mind a 777
Just my two cents
Of course some of the new aircraft are for growth but they certainly won't double their fleet.
Also, you have to bear in mind that the smallest A/C they have at the moment is the A330 (which I believe are going soon) and some of these destinations mentioned probably wouldn't have the demand to fill that never mind a 777
Just my two cents
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They are still undecided on their short haul replacement (A350's again, A330neo, 787 1000 are in the running IIRC) they basically want something they can run into the ground like the A330's but cheaper to run :P
Many seem to be of the opinion the 7810 has the upper hand because range isn't important as it will be the <5 hour flights, but the A339 would seem to offer more flexibility for longer thinner routes (than a 77X).
Crewmeal, as noted Erbil and Basra are still being operated and Baghdad is temporarily suspended until they sort our what happened with Flydubai, and I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough but I did say "Some may even include... ...on this list although I personally wouldn't."
My mistake with Tripoli, DXB-MLA-TIP-MLA-DXB is still on their route map.
Many seem to be of the opinion the 7810 has the upper hand because range isn't important as it will be the <5 hour flights, but the A339 would seem to offer more flexibility for longer thinner routes (than a 77X).
Crewmeal, as noted Erbil and Basra are still being operated and Baghdad is temporarily suspended until they sort our what happened with Flydubai, and I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough but I did say "Some may even include... ...on this list although I personally wouldn't."
My mistake with Tripoli, DXB-MLA-TIP-MLA-DXB is still on their route map.
Why can I see this sh*t kicking off?
God help us that EK may make further decisions that you don't approve of
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Excuse me I fully support EK and most things they do, I find all the EK bashing un-necessary. I find it difficult to see where I'm criticising their decision on running their airline.
It's great they're putting their top of the range model on the MXP-JFK route, but no-one wants them there except EK (and the customer) the USB3/AZ probably won't be happy.
It's great they're putting their top of the range model on the MXP-JFK route, but no-one wants them there except EK (and the customer) the USB3/AZ probably won't be happy.
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No one wants them there except the customer and the operator?
*cough cough*
Alitalia are dying (again) and the US airlines are not industry leading in terms of product or service. Worth mentioning that in terms of Emirates, the A380 is more of a workhorse than a top of the range exclusive airliner.
What's USB3 an acronym for? Because I feel we're running short IMHO
*cough cough*
Alitalia are dying (again) and the US airlines are not industry leading in terms of product or service. Worth mentioning that in terms of Emirates, the A380 is more of a workhorse than a top of the range exclusive airliner.
What's USB3 an acronym for? Because I feel we're running short IMHO
USB3 = United States big 3. Stop picking on the poor kid. There's no age limits as far as I can tell for posting here. You might even be sitting behind him/her one day while they fly you on holiday, or on an aircraft transiting his/her sector.
I must agree re acronyms though. The amount of them in new operating procedures/work instructions I get that I genuinely don't understand and therefor have to seek clarification on is rather large, and some managers just love how much smarter using them makes them sound.
I must agree re acronyms though. The amount of them in new operating procedures/work instructions I get that I genuinely don't understand and therefor have to seek clarification on is rather large, and some managers just love how much smarter using them makes them sound.
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Skipness, I'd be most inclined to pick EK if I were flying MXP-JFK because they are most likely the best product on the route even before the A380. The US carriers will definitely be off crying to the DOT and blaming 9/11 and terrorists or whatever their latest "lame" (as they might say) excuse is. I must note however that out of empathy and not wanting to see them go down the pan I'd definitely look at using AZ, but EK would most likely be cheaper.
AZ under EY will - I think - be more inclined to put up the fight and hopefully EY will drag them up kicking and screaming, but my point was that with the hooha kicked up when EK first started the route, no-one will be happy with the A380 except the customers who get better service for cheaper fares and Emirates because:
... As you say for EK, the A380 is a workhorse/cash cow/money spinner/money maker/Godsend/unexpected success but for the customer it still is a top of the range airliner and a massive attraction and albeit to a lesser extent than in 2008, people pay more to fly on it. If every airline could do what EK has with the A380 they would be queuing up to fly on it.
Anyway, congrats and I hope for a lot more EK fifth freedom. I don't like at all the way the US airlines/LH/AC etc. Go about their business.
Una Due Tfc, thank you hopefully one day they will, and they'll be sat straight up in first no doubts about it.
AZ under EY will - I think - be more inclined to put up the fight and hopefully EY will drag them up kicking and screaming, but my point was that with the hooha kicked up when EK first started the route, no-one will be happy with the A380 except the customers who get better service for cheaper fares and Emirates because:
... As you say for EK, the A380 is a workhorse/cash cow/money spinner/money maker/Godsend/unexpected success but for the customer it still is a top of the range airliner and a massive attraction and albeit to a lesser extent than in 2008, people pay more to fly on it. If every airline could do what EK has with the A380 they would be queuing up to fly on it.
Anyway, congrats and I hope for a lot more EK fifth freedom. I don't like at all the way the US airlines/LH/AC etc. Go about their business.
Una Due Tfc, thank you
hopefully one day they will, and they'll be sat straight up in first no doubts about it.
Sorry for the thread diversion here, but I think I need to post this before somebody a bit less....controlled...replies to the above comment.
EK, If being a pilot is your chosen career then I wish you the utmost success. Hopefully one day you'll be in the left seat of an A360 or 797 or something, still talking to me on your way to the Americas because my company has raised my retirement age and plugged me in to a ventilator to keep me alive.
As somebody who worked on 9/11 (on my day off, to help), making any kind of disparaging comment regarding that awful day will upset many people on these forums. Those of us in the industry at the time were greatly affected. Many lost friends on those aircraft, many lost their jobs in the subsequent, and enormous, recession in our industry. I note you are a fan of global politics from your previous posts, good for you, and disagreeing with the subsequent policies adopted by the United States, and indeed your own country is your right. But please be mindful of what that atrocity did to this industry, and consequently, it's employees.
EK, If being a pilot is your chosen career then I wish you the utmost success. Hopefully one day you'll be in the left seat of an A360 or 797 or something, still talking to me on your way to the Americas because my company has raised my retirement age and plugged me in to a ventilator to keep me alive.
As somebody who worked on 9/11 (on my day off, to help), making any kind of disparaging comment regarding that awful day will upset many people on these forums. Those of us in the industry at the time were greatly affected. Many lost friends on those aircraft, many lost their jobs in the subsequent, and enormous, recession in our industry. I note you are a fan of global politics from your previous posts, good for you, and disagreeing with the subsequent policies adopted by the United States, and indeed your own country is your right. But please be mindful of what that atrocity did to this industry, and consequently, it's employees.
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Hence you will share my shock and dismay at the recent comments of Mr Anderson from Delta talking about the "irony" of the ME3 claiming chapter 11 is the same as the government aid that he believes they recieve... I'm not even sure what his point is.
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Operational changes
1st April:
LGW (EK015/016) from daily B77W to daily A380 (until 20 April)
1st May:
PER (EK420/421) from daily B77W to daily A380
ORD (EK235/236) from daily B77L to daily B77W
NBO (EK719/720) from daily A332 to daily B77W (in total: daily B77W + daily B773)
ATH (EK3105/3106) 3 additional weekly flights with B77W (until 30 June) (in total: 10 weekly B77W)
2nd May:
BCN (EK187/188) new 2nd daily with B77L (in total: daily A380 + daily B77L)
1st June:
MXP JFK (EK205/206) from daily B77W to daily A380
MXP (EK091/092) from daily A380 to daily B77W
BUD (EK111/112) from daily A332 (2-class) to daily A332 (3-class)
DME (EK133/134) from daily B77W to daily B77L
OSL (EK159/160) from daily B77L to daily B77W
3rd June:
DPS (EK398/399) new daily B77W (2-class)
1st July:
DUS (EK055/056) from daily B77W to daily A380 (in total: daily A380 + daily B77W)
DME (EK131/132) from daily B773 to daily B77W
CCJ (EK562/563) from 6 weekly A332/B772 (2-class) to daily B772/B773 (3-class)
6th July:
PER (EK422/423) service suspended
PER (EK424/425) from daily B77L to daily B77W (in total: daily A380 + daily B77W)
7th July:
SEA (EK227/228) new 2nd daily with B77L (in total: daily B77W + daily B77L)
1st August:
MAD (EK141/142) from daily B77W to daily A380
BHX (EK041/042) new 3rd daily with B77W (3-class)
1st September:
GIG EZE (EK247/248) from daily B77L to daily B77W
MCO (EK219/220) new daily with 77L
HKG (EK380/381) from daily B77W/A380 to daily A380 (in total: 3 daily A380 + daily B77W)
1st October:
DME (EK133/134) from daily B77L to daily B77W (in total: 2 daily B77W)
KBL (EK640/641) from daily A345 to daily A343 (last A345 will leave the fleet)
25th October:
AMD (EK540/541) from 3 weekly A332 to 4 weekly A332/B772 (in total: 10 weekly A332 + weekly B772)
1st December:
MLE-CMB (EK652/653) from daily B773 to daily B77W
1st January:
KUL (342/343) from daily B773 to daily B77W (in total: daily A380 + 3 daily B77W)
BEY (957/958) from daily A332 to daily B773 (in total: daily B773 + daily A332)
1st February:
FCO (EK095/096) from daily B77W to daily A380 (in total: 2 daily A380 + daily B77W)
BHX (EK041/042) from daily B77W (3-class) to daily B77W (2-class) (in total: 3 daily B77W 2-class)
BCN (EK187/188) from daily B77L to daily B77W (in total: daily A380 + daily B77W)
1st March:
MXP (EK091/092) from daily B77W to daily A380 (in total: 2 daily A380 + daily B77W)
KHI (EK610/611) from daily A332 to daily B77W (n total: 6 daily B77W)
EK choosed Orlando over Miami, maybe due to partnership with JetBlue and their base with connection to Carribean Sea and Latin America.
1st April:
LGW (EK015/016) from daily B77W to daily A380 (until 20 April)
1st May:
PER (EK420/421) from daily B77W to daily A380
ORD (EK235/236) from daily B77L to daily B77W
NBO (EK719/720) from daily A332 to daily B77W (in total: daily B77W + daily B773)
ATH (EK3105/3106) 3 additional weekly flights with B77W (until 30 June) (in total: 10 weekly B77W)
2nd May:
BCN (EK187/188) new 2nd daily with B77L (in total: daily A380 + daily B77L)
1st June:
MXP JFK (EK205/206) from daily B77W to daily A380
MXP (EK091/092) from daily A380 to daily B77W
BUD (EK111/112) from daily A332 (2-class) to daily A332 (3-class)
DME (EK133/134) from daily B77W to daily B77L
OSL (EK159/160) from daily B77L to daily B77W
3rd June:
DPS (EK398/399) new daily B77W (2-class)
1st July:
DUS (EK055/056) from daily B77W to daily A380 (in total: daily A380 + daily B77W)
DME (EK131/132) from daily B773 to daily B77W
CCJ (EK562/563) from 6 weekly A332/B772 (2-class) to daily B772/B773 (3-class)
6th July:
PER (EK422/423) service suspended
PER (EK424/425) from daily B77L to daily B77W (in total: daily A380 + daily B77W)
7th July:
SEA (EK227/228) new 2nd daily with B77L (in total: daily B77W + daily B77L)
1st August:
MAD (EK141/142) from daily B77W to daily A380
BHX (EK041/042) new 3rd daily with B77W (3-class)
1st September:
GIG EZE (EK247/248) from daily B77L to daily B77W
MCO (EK219/220) new daily with 77L
HKG (EK380/381) from daily B77W/A380 to daily A380 (in total: 3 daily A380 + daily B77W)
1st October:
DME (EK133/134) from daily B77L to daily B77W (in total: 2 daily B77W)
KBL (EK640/641) from daily A345 to daily A343 (last A345 will leave the fleet)
25th October:
AMD (EK540/541) from 3 weekly A332 to 4 weekly A332/B772 (in total: 10 weekly A332 + weekly B772)
1st December:
MLE-CMB (EK652/653) from daily B773 to daily B77W
1st January:
KUL (342/343) from daily B773 to daily B77W (in total: daily A380 + 3 daily B77W)
BEY (957/958) from daily A332 to daily B773 (in total: daily B773 + daily A332)
1st February:
FCO (EK095/096) from daily B77W to daily A380 (in total: 2 daily A380 + daily B77W)
BHX (EK041/042) from daily B77W (3-class) to daily B77W (2-class) (in total: 3 daily B77W 2-class)
BCN (EK187/188) from daily B77L to daily B77W (in total: daily A380 + daily B77W)
1st March:
MXP (EK091/092) from daily B77W to daily A380 (in total: 2 daily A380 + daily B77W)
KHI (EK610/611) from daily A332 to daily B77W (n total: 6 daily B77W)
EK choosed Orlando over Miami, maybe due to partnership with JetBlue and their base with connection to Carribean Sea and Latin America.
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