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Ideas? How about wind yer neck in and stop calling people names?
The sole purpose of an airport is not attract PAX, their are many other ways of making money and PIK already has a number of them. I'm not that familiar with PIK but if the terminal needs significant investment, it might be sensible to look at alternatives rather than chucking good money after bad.
And if not competing with GLA and EDI, what market is PIK in?
The sole purpose of an airport is not attract PAX, their are many other ways of making money and PIK already has a number of them. I'm not that familiar with PIK but if the terminal needs significant investment, it might be sensible to look at alternatives rather than chucking good money after bad.
And if not competing with GLA and EDI, what market is PIK in?
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Isn't "windsock" one word btw?
PIK has always competed with GLA, it's all very local....
However the terminal is a 1964 build for transatlantic long haul. It no longer needs an enormous check in hall and meeters and greeters are not known in the FR markets in the same way. It's enormous, way too big for 4-5 FR based units doing cheapy jollies to the sun. Knock it down and put up a basic tin shed type building before the current building blows away in a winter gale.
Of course demolition and rebuild require money....
PIK has always competed with GLA, it's all very local....
However the terminal is a 1964 build for transatlantic long haul. It no longer needs an enormous check in hall and meeters and greeters are not known in the FR markets in the same way. It's enormous, way too big for 4-5 FR based units doing cheapy jollies to the sun. Knock it down and put up a basic tin shed type building before the current building blows away in a winter gale.
Of course demolition and rebuild require money....
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Dear Mr / MRs SWBKCB ( whatever that means ) , Possibly - ( Silly , waffling , Banker ,Keeps , Constantly , Babbling .The only name i was calling was the persons user name , Is that such a crime ? or are you the PPRUNE undercover police ? when your not being a banker ?. I would disagree with you and say the sole purpose of any airport is to attract airlines which in turn attracts pax and increases revenue. I would say the vast majority of airports in the world rely on pax to maintain and run a profitable airport. Of course there are other options such as freight and other business ventures such as leasing of other assests within the airport ( Freight sheds ) or selling off land.
P.S Mr / MRs SWBKCB if your not familar with PIK heres a link to help you.
Glasgow Prestwick Airport. Holidays, parking, flight arrival and departure information. Its Located in Scotland on the West Coast.
Dear Mr / Mrs Skipness One Echo - I sincerely apologise for not putting a space between Wind and Sock. I didnt know PPrune had turned into Countdown and for that Skippy you have been awarded 2 points, and you get to take home a countdown dictionary , A Countdown Scrabble set , A countdown calculator and wait for it .............a countdown t-shirt with the words " I love Dictionary corner " on the front...... Congratulations Skippy from all on PPrune.
P.S Mr / MRs SWBKCB if your not familar with PIK heres a link to help you.
Glasgow Prestwick Airport. Holidays, parking, flight arrival and departure information. Its Located in Scotland on the West Coast.
Dear Mr / Mrs Skipness One Echo - I sincerely apologise for not putting a space between Wind and Sock. I didnt know PPrune had turned into Countdown and for that Skippy you have been awarded 2 points, and you get to take home a countdown dictionary , A Countdown Scrabble set , A countdown calculator and wait for it .............a countdown t-shirt with the words " I love Dictionary corner " on the front...... Congratulations Skippy from all on PPrune.
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QUOTE "I would say the vast majority of airports in the world rely on pax to maintain and run a profitable airport."
True enough. But the economics of smaller airports have been knocked sideways by various changes in the past 10-20 years. The costs associated with passenger operations have increased markedly, from more onerous security requirements to PRM costs to crash/fire/rescue services. At the same time, revenues have declined due to the unwillingness of LCC carriers to pay reasonable charges. And not forgetting the loss of intra-EU duty-free, and the steady enlargement of the EU.
All this has put a dramatic squeeze on the profitability of smaller airports. Historically an airport might have been able to eke out an operating profit handling (say) half a million passengers. But now it probably takes more like 2 million, if they're LCC pax.
Prestwick is in a bit of a coffin corner, and I think it's reasonable to ask what costs might be avoided by shutting down the pax side of the business. But I can't help feeling that Infratil would already have thought about that before giving the airport away.
True enough. But the economics of smaller airports have been knocked sideways by various changes in the past 10-20 years. The costs associated with passenger operations have increased markedly, from more onerous security requirements to PRM costs to crash/fire/rescue services. At the same time, revenues have declined due to the unwillingness of LCC carriers to pay reasonable charges. And not forgetting the loss of intra-EU duty-free, and the steady enlargement of the EU.
All this has put a dramatic squeeze on the profitability of smaller airports. Historically an airport might have been able to eke out an operating profit handling (say) half a million passengers. But now it probably takes more like 2 million, if they're LCC pax.
Prestwick is in a bit of a coffin corner, and I think it's reasonable to ask what costs might be avoided by shutting down the pax side of the business. But I can't help feeling that Infratil would already have thought about that before giving the airport away.
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I think the key point Mr Wind Sock is you're now calling someone names and you're unable to spell your own.
I used to live near Prestwick for more years than I care to remember, if you think PIK is ever going to win competing for passengers against GLA in such a small market you are mistaken. Wizz Air was the final nail in that coffin.
PIK were profitable on the back of cargo, not passengers. Focus was lost alongwith Singapore Cargo, Lufthansa Cargo, Polar, Atlas Air/Panalpina and now all that's left is Air France and a vastly reduced Cargolux. Passengers and Ryanair are a side issue in comparison.
I used to live near Prestwick for more years than I care to remember, if you think PIK is ever going to win competing for passengers against GLA in such a small market you are mistaken. Wizz Air was the final nail in that coffin.
PIK were profitable on the back of cargo, not passengers. Focus was lost alongwith Singapore Cargo, Lufthansa Cargo, Polar, Atlas Air/Panalpina and now all that's left is Air France and a vastly reduced Cargolux. Passengers and Ryanair are a side issue in comparison.
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I was a spotter back in the day too. You forgot Canadian pacific dc-10's, lovely orange colour scheme. Ward air 747's, various cargo dc-8's, USAF starlifters, galaxies. OVerseas National Airways DC-10, Laker DC -10. BOAC Viscounts G-AMOG and G-AMON. VCR-10's tridents. Greta days.
I was a spotter back in the day too. You forgot Canadian pacific dc-10's, lovely orange colour scheme. Ward air 747's, various cargo dc-8's, USAF starlifters, galaxies. OVerseas National Airways DC-10, Laker DC -10. BOAC Viscounts G-AMOG and G-AMON. VCR-10's tridents. Greta days.
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Christ windsock is showing true passion in his support for his local airport lets not knock that. Royal mail ops, new sar hangar, and new haulage company for 2014 with steady as you go pax ops. Also curries bond units will be filled too boost income. Its not all doom and gloom.
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Skippy baby. Wizz air was not the final nail.in the coffin for pik. This was a slight dent in in pax numbers which in turn allowed ryanair to put on extra routes to poland. Although pik miss wizz air as an alternative to ryanair, it certainly was not the end for pik. A new management team will look at alternatives in the future and pik will rise from.the ashes once more. No more mis mismanagement would be a good start. Look to try to attract smaller airlines and to expand on current ryanair routes, and if the new owners invest in new terminal and make use of the rail link then pik can gradually start make a profit and possibly sttract bigger airlines. I never said pik were going to challenge gla or edi. But the sole aim is to return pik to making a profit in the future , no matter how good or bad gla or edi are doing.
Focus on new routes , more freight. More military flights , attract new business to rent hangars or freight sheds , office space
Time will tell.
Focus on new routes , more freight. More military flights , attract new business to rent hangars or freight sheds , office space
Time will tell.
Christ windsock is showing true passion in his support for his local airport lets not knock that.
Also, a bit of consistency would help
And what other activities ?
Focus on new routes , more freight. More military flights , attract new business to rent hangars or freight sheds , office space
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I've been away for a few days but am delighted to see that I appear to have prodded a hornets' nest. I stand by my words. To michaeloleary genius - I didn't want to list them all, but do you remember as well all the US Supplemental carriers you used to get either doing group affinity charters or trooping - Overseas National, Trans International later to become Trans America (or was it the other way round?), American Flyers and on really lucky days, Trans Caribbean or Flying Tigers. I am sure there were many others but having renounced spotting when I discovered girls, I have no log books to look back at. Shame.
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Sir SWBKCB , you say ive been offensive and obnoxious, but i will say im the most knowledgeable person in the world.. well maybe apart from Paul Sinha from the chase.
I know you love your quotes. and was wondering if you could show me your quotes on the other activities that i asked on previous posts. Apart from you saying pik already has a number of other ways of making money. Can you tell us these or are you not familiar with pik ? Also your tag team partner mr skippy only quoted knocking down the terminal , Wow all these indepth ideas that i missed out on in early posts.
I know you love your quotes. and was wondering if you could show me your quotes on the other activities that i asked on previous posts. Apart from you saying pik already has a number of other ways of making money. Can you tell us these or are you not familiar with pik ? Also your tag team partner mr skippy only quoted knocking down the terminal , Wow all these indepth ideas that i missed out on in early posts.
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Wind Sock you're talking a lot and not listening. I suggested knocking down a sixties relic on the verge of collapse and replacing it with a loco type tin shed terminal Ryanair would happily use. Wizz moving to GLA was the nail in the coffin of the idea PIK could go against GLA and win.
GLA are now fighting EDI and PIK for every scrap of traffic. PIK only offers one thing, "much cheapness"! No shops of note, no lounge facilities, little retail, not one airbridge. All those thing airports need to have nowadays.
I support PIK, have done all my days. Ayrshire was my home.
Let's be clear, the only realistic way to make that business pay is by diversifying again. Cargo, maintenance, cargo, flight training, tech stops, cargo and keeping Ryanair sweet. Did I mention cargo?
Play the ball, not the man....SWBKCB is a considered and thoughtful poster I have found, we can disagree but always without getting personal.
Btw I think my first memory is of two CP Air DC10s, one each on stand 2 and 4. *sighs* Thought I'd never fly on one but Bangladesh at Birmingham beckons
GLA are now fighting EDI and PIK for every scrap of traffic. PIK only offers one thing, "much cheapness"! No shops of note, no lounge facilities, little retail, not one airbridge. All those thing airports need to have nowadays.
I support PIK, have done all my days. Ayrshire was my home.
Let's be clear, the only realistic way to make that business pay is by diversifying again. Cargo, maintenance, cargo, flight training, tech stops, cargo and keeping Ryanair sweet. Did I mention cargo?
Play the ball, not the man....SWBKCB is a considered and thoughtful poster I have found, we can disagree but always without getting personal.
Btw I think my first memory is of two CP Air DC10s, one each on stand 2 and 4. *sighs* Thought I'd never fly on one but Bangladesh at Birmingham beckons
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The maintenance and running costs of the existing terminal must be enormous...even imagine the heating bill!
The new owners should look at the examples set elsewhere...the pax terminal business could be run very economically with investment in a new basic terminal building. All these small airports in Poland have brand new terminals that should be an example for how PIK could be.
Perhaps FR could even be interested in owning and operating their own terminal such as in Bremen.
The new owners should look at the examples set elsewhere...the pax terminal business could be run very economically with investment in a new basic terminal building. All these small airports in Poland have brand new terminals that should be an example for how PIK could be.
Perhaps FR could even be interested in owning and operating their own terminal such as in Bremen.
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I know I shouldn't digress, but the first airliner I ever saw the inside of was a Pan Am 707 at PIK. This would be about 1966. The aircraft had parked on the stand nearest the terminal on the LHS of the pier (is that stand 2?), pax had disembarked and along with a couple of mates I was sitting on the wall next to the stand. In those days there were no fences, no security etc and the captain wandered over and asked whether we would like to have a look inside, which we did. Unthinkable nowadays. I also made my first flight from PIK in a Caledonian Britannia so I have a great deal of affection for the old place but that doesn't change the fact that times change. My main concern is that PIK's new ownership status has the possibility of distorting competition which would not be to anyone's interests in the long term - airlines, airports or pax. PS that reminds me of another curiosity you used to see at PIK in the 1960s - Pan Am 727s ferrying to and from Berlin for the IGS. I'd better stop now before this gets moved to Spotters' Corner.
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Yeah I used to hang out down on that left hand side as well, just beside the fire pond with my copy of CAM? A USAF C-130 just landed and taxied in, the captain did the same thing. He walked right over and asked us if we wanted to look around. I've got a really ancient pic I took on my kodak instamatic of the prototype Concorde parked there. My first flight was also from PIK on one of the resident BOAC Viscounts G-AMON. Did you go there for the first ever BOAC 747 landing at PIK. I went and the spectators gallery was absolutely packed.
Yeah I used to hang out down on that left hand side as well, just beside the fire pond with my copy of CAM? A USAF C-130 just landed and taxied in, the captain did the same thing. He walked right over and asked us if we wanted to look around. I've got a really ancient pic I took on my kodak instamatic of the prototype Concorde parked there. My first flight was also from PIK on one of the resident BOAC Viscounts G-AMON. Did you go there for the first ever BOAC 747 landing at PIK. I went and the spectators gallery was absolutely packed.
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Yes I did but I think we are in real danger of getting booted off into "Spotters' Corner"! Our comments do however make the point that PIK did have its glory days but the world has now moved on. Certainly the terminal building that worked in the '60s is completely wrong now.
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The new owners should look at the examples set elsewhere...the pax terminal business could be run very economically with investment in a new basic terminal building. All these small airports in Poland have brand new terminals that should be an example for how PIK could be.