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Poland qualifies for massive amounts of “free” infrastructure funding from the EU while Prestwick does not. I would have thought that Prestwick would love to get some gift aid to build a better airport at no cost. Without it I can't see any real investment at this airport.
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Dublin frequency in the summer schedule seems to have been pruned and retimed to be early afternoon. April only 5 flights a week. Still looks like 4 a/c based so I wonder if the extra capacity will be used for something else?
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Given the frequency of PIK DUB and the performance of AerLingus Regional /RE on GLA , I can't but think we will see FR set up a base at GLA to capitalise on business routes, just as the've done at BRU, MXP, FCO, BCN ( not so recent ), in these markets where FR has very substantial operations at other airports, I.e. CRL, BGO, CIA and GIR. I also expect that fees etc at this mentioned won't be as good as at GLA. Thought I'm not sure ...
DUB GLA, a previously operated FR should it be said , may be so tempting for them to capture a slice if the GLA DUB point to point market especially in the face of the numbers EIR are achieving ( albeit some will be TA )
DUB GLA, a previously operated FR should it be said , may be so tempting for them to capture a slice if the GLA DUB point to point market especially in the face of the numbers EIR are achieving ( albeit some will be TA )
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OK, before the inevitable s***storm kicks off, is this an addition to the market with inbound non based or a move out of Prestwick?
Given the recent change in focus at Ryanair, it would be disappointing but not impossible to walk away from Ayrshire as they cease to be focussed entirely on price at the expense of everything. There's just about capacity on the old international pier at GLA for four based B737s, at a crush in the currently orange coloured "lounge" though.
Ryanair's DUB-GLA was 26 years ago, on a Ryanair Europe BAC-111 if I recall. It was DUB-PIK that showed what PIK could be but frequency and market share go hand in glove here and the B738 was wayyyyy bigger than the old B732.
Having maintenance at PIK then becomes no different from BA at Cardiff.
Given the recent change in focus at Ryanair, it would be disappointing but not impossible to walk away from Ayrshire as they cease to be focussed entirely on price at the expense of everything. There's just about capacity on the old international pier at GLA for four based B737s, at a crush in the currently orange coloured "lounge" though.
Ryanair's DUB-GLA was 26 years ago, on a Ryanair Europe BAC-111 if I recall. It was DUB-PIK that showed what PIK could be but frequency and market share go hand in glove here and the B738 was wayyyyy bigger than the old B732.
Having maintenance at PIK then becomes no different from BA at Cardiff.
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Just on the DUB-GLA/PIK thing, just look at DUB-EDI with both, FR moving to GLA will have some affect but nohing much. FR are 3 or 4 daily DUB-EDI in the summer and its down to 2 at times during the peak. EI are 5 daily, and they have business friednely tmes. FR have a 6.30 ish, 12.30 ish and 22.00 ish flights to EDI, a move to GLA would be the exact same while EI's tomes are much more favourable at 6.30, 10.00, 13.00, 15.00, 18.00 (not exact times).
One thing I did note FR have knocked 5 euro off PIK fares and EI have not cut them unlike other UK places where FR followed EI.
In gernal any move to GLA or even fees deal with BAA will put a lot of noses out of joint and could be a big mistake for BAA, unlike EDI GLA has a vey large bucket and spade market and FR flooding it with there low fares won't end well.
One thing I did note FR have knocked 5 euro off PIK fares and EI have not cut them unlike other UK places where FR followed EI.
In gernal any move to GLA or even fees deal with BAA will put a lot of noses out of joint and could be a big mistake for BAA, unlike EDI GLA has a vey large bucket and spade market and FR flooding it with there low fares won't end well.
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I see someone's finally mentioned the elephant in the room - There's been pretty strong rumours floating around on this from several sources for the last 2-3 months and I was sure I wasn't the only one hearing them!
The suggestion I heard was non-based. I have heard more detail around this but can't really expand on here.
As for flooding the bucket and spade market, well FR at PIK are surely already competing with the GLA sunshine routes anyway - it may boost FR's attractiveness, but it's not "new" competition.
Having said that, I'll only believe all this when I see the FR aircraft on the Tarmac!
The suggestion I heard was non-based. I have heard more detail around this but can't really expand on here.
As for flooding the bucket and spade market, well FR at PIK are surely already competing with the GLA sunshine routes anyway - it may boost FR's attractiveness, but it's not "new" competition.
Having said that, I'll only believe all this when I see the FR aircraft on the Tarmac!
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Funny that there's been no posts on here for a couple of weeks, then as soon as someone posts some good news for PIK the same old negative rumours suddenly appear. Yawn!
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I was intrigued by EI-BUD's comments on the EI/RE performance on GLA-DUB and note that the pax figures remained fairly static between DEC12 and DEC13 - 10k PAX approx. FR on the other hand grew the PIK - DUB market by 37% from 9k to 13k PAX.
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You can pretty much always get pax to fill seats if you sell them cheap enough, but it's another question entirely as to whether or not that will be profitable. The FR site is currently showing PIK-DUB as cut to only 5-7 weekly for S14 - I think that provides a pointer on the profitability of their current frequency/capacity on PIK-DUB.
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More likely it points to capacity to be added, question is, from which airfield? Once daily in that market is not worth the candle, it used to be three daily and the market is mature and recovering..
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"Funny that there's been no posts on here for a couple of weeks, then as soon as someone posts some good news for PIK the same old negative rumours suddenly appear. Yawn!"
"Where is Sunsetrep? He / She seems to be one of the few people who actually knows what is really happening at PIK."
Yes it is funny, always a willing volunteer on here to quickly counter any "Good" PIK news!
As I said before, I work at Prestwick and know more than I should (
) Probably, certainly not sharing on here.....but the negative comments, speculation and second guesses make me laugh somtimes 
Those that know, know - those that don`t - don`t.
I don`t dislike any Scottish Airport, or English Airport for that matter, I support growth in all sectors and is welcome wherever in aviation - funny how all cannot be happy - Eh?
"Where is Sunsetrep? He / She seems to be one of the few people who actually knows what is really happening at PIK."
Yes it is funny, always a willing volunteer on here to quickly counter any "Good" PIK news!
As I said before, I work at Prestwick and know more than I should (
) Probably, certainly not sharing on here.....but the negative comments, speculation and second guesses make me laugh somtimes Those that know, know - those that don`t - don`t.I don`t dislike any Scottish Airport, or English Airport for that matter, I support growth in all sectors and is welcome wherever in aviation - funny how all cannot be happy - Eh?
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So working at PIK as you do, for the record, you are saying the info regarding the FR move is incorrect, and revisiting this post in 12 months, the situation will be status quo ? Just so we're sure...