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I would suggest that compared to Wizz's other routes to the UK, there is relatively little demand to/from Moldova and Bosnia.
Not everyone from the Eastern European countries wants to come to the UK; some of them are drawn to other countries in the EU where the weather is warmer.
Not everyone from the Eastern European countries wants to come to the UK; some of them are drawn to other countries in the EU where the weather is warmer.
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some of them are drawn to other countries in the EU where the weather is warmer.
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New base (2nd for Wizz Ukraine and 17th of Wizz) announced today: Donetsk, starting on 01OCT. New flights: DOK-LTN, DOK-FCO, DOK-BGY and DOK-MME (besides DOK-KUT and DOK-DTM already in operation).
Another LTN flight was announced today: LTN-KSC (Kosice, Slovakia), 2x weekly, starting on 17SEP.
Another LTN flight was announced today: LTN-KSC (Kosice, Slovakia), 2x weekly, starting on 17SEP.
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29th Oct LTN-Craiova (Romania) 3 weekly
new holidays flight from BUD, KTW, WAW to Hurghada
WIZZ TOURS ONLINE TRAVEL PLATFORM TO DEBUT IN OCTOBER
new holidays flight from BUD, KTW, WAW to Hurghada
WIZZ TOURS ONLINE TRAVEL PLATFORM TO DEBUT IN OCTOBER
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Are they not getting reimbursed for the extra costs, or other revenue losses, incurred because of the WMI debacle? FR is still selling the trip as WMI but using WAW.
As a pax I've quite enjoyed paying for WMI but landing in WAW, although I can't imagine that is sustainable for very long
As a pax I've quite enjoyed paying for WMI but landing in WAW, although I can't imagine that is sustainable for very long
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The problem is that W6 choose to move of their own decision because of the lack of ILS before the runway was closed because of problems with the construction of it rather than FR who moved only when the runway was closed and they had no choice because the airport was closed due to safety reasons.
From what I understand (not saying it's true) W6 are basically arguing now that they want compensation, both for the fact that they moved to WAW from WMI due to no ILS (which was their choice), and the subsequent closure of WMI, despite the fact for the first few weeks that WMI was closed, they were not going to fly there anyway.
If W6 stay in Chopin it could benefit them since whilst W6 were ahead of FR in Warsaw at the start FR are now well ahead. If they stay in Chopin and FR go back to Modlin it may help W6 claw some of that back. Although on the flip-side , FR going to WMI may allow them to largely undercut W6 on price.
From what I understand (not saying it's true) W6 are basically arguing now that they want compensation, both for the fact that they moved to WAW from WMI due to no ILS (which was their choice), and the subsequent closure of WMI, despite the fact for the first few weeks that WMI was closed, they were not going to fly there anyway.
If W6 stay in Chopin it could benefit them since whilst W6 were ahead of FR in Warsaw at the start FR are now well ahead. If they stay in Chopin and FR go back to Modlin it may help W6 claw some of that back. Although on the flip-side , FR going to WMI may allow them to largely undercut W6 on price.
DublinPole raises a good point.
From a very brief glance at the websites for the 2 airports, for a B737/A320 with 150 passengers the difference in charges between Chopin and Modlin seems to be about 7 EUR per departing passenger for published rates, but could be as much as 15 EUR per departing passenger if Modlin's done some super-cheap deals with FR / W6.
Can anyone knowledgeable suggest the difference in fees between Modlin and Chopin ?
The cost differential seems to come down largely to the per-passenger charge - landing fees seem much less significant. This of course means that costs to an airline are mainly variable rather than fixed.
Big question of course is how much extra passengers will pay to fly to/from Chopin at 8 km from the centre of Warsaw rather than Modlin which is 38 km from the centre of town ?
From a very brief glance at the websites for the 2 airports, for a B737/A320 with 150 passengers the difference in charges between Chopin and Modlin seems to be about 7 EUR per departing passenger for published rates, but could be as much as 15 EUR per departing passenger if Modlin's done some super-cheap deals with FR / W6.
Can anyone knowledgeable suggest the difference in fees between Modlin and Chopin ?
The cost differential seems to come down largely to the per-passenger charge - landing fees seem much less significant. This of course means that costs to an airline are mainly variable rather than fixed.
Big question of course is how much extra passengers will pay to fly to/from Chopin at 8 km from the centre of Warsaw rather than Modlin which is 38 km from the centre of town ?
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I didn't notice any difference in the loads on the flights I took before and after the switch - busy to both airports.
I did notice the FR and W6 prices rise slightly (or rather, availability of cheapest fares diminished). With a better spread of times and prices compared to BA/LO at the same airport, this is hardly surprising. In fact, the 2030 LTN departure on W6 is now often > £100 and usually full since its departure is much more convenient than BA and its arrival is in time for the end of public transport at WAW. I cannot see those yields sustained if it moved back to WMI.
As noted above, if I were W6 I'd be tempted to stick to WAW and leave WMI to FR.
I did notice the FR and W6 prices rise slightly (or rather, availability of cheapest fares diminished). With a better spread of times and prices compared to BA/LO at the same airport, this is hardly surprising. In fact, the 2030 LTN departure on W6 is now often > £100 and usually full since its departure is much more convenient than BA and its arrival is in time for the end of public transport at WAW. I cannot see those yields sustained if it moved back to WMI.
As noted above, if I were W6 I'd be tempted to stick to WAW and leave WMI to FR.
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Whilst the charges and landing fees need to be taken into account, there is more to it than that when it comes to costs, as you need to take into account ground handling, which is more expensive in Warsaw since passengers are normally taken on buses the last time I was there on W6, whereas in WMI passengers will walk to the gates.
Also with WMI being much smaller, it's often more efficient and quicker to turn things around, which FR for example really like, since there is less chance of congestion than in WAW which at the moment has the old terminal closed for renovations which means everyone is checking in and going through security in the same area which caused huge queues and delays a few weeks back, although of course had they known that WMI was closing they'd probably have delayed that work.
I wouldn't say that WMI being further out will effect Ryanair as much as you'd think. If W6 moved back it would effect them more than FR. Why you ask? Simply because FR doesn't have a base in Warsaw, which means there are no early morning flights from WMI or very late flights arriving into WMI. With W6 running everything off Warsaw based crews, they have flights leaving between 5am and 6am in the morning and some returning post midnight. That's okay in WAW for W6, but is going to be a problem in WMI if they go back.
I think Wizz have their strategy right now though, by starting to focus more on routes to parts of Europe that Ryanair is not well known in or serves. With FR not seeing any more planes for a year, W6 should try and build up share in these areas.
Also with WMI being much smaller, it's often more efficient and quicker to turn things around, which FR for example really like, since there is less chance of congestion than in WAW which at the moment has the old terminal closed for renovations which means everyone is checking in and going through security in the same area which caused huge queues and delays a few weeks back, although of course had they known that WMI was closing they'd probably have delayed that work.
I wouldn't say that WMI being further out will effect Ryanair as much as you'd think. If W6 moved back it would effect them more than FR. Why you ask? Simply because FR doesn't have a base in Warsaw, which means there are no early morning flights from WMI or very late flights arriving into WMI. With W6 running everything off Warsaw based crews, they have flights leaving between 5am and 6am in the morning and some returning post midnight. That's okay in WAW for W6, but is going to be a problem in WMI if they go back.
I think Wizz have their strategy right now though, by starting to focus more on routes to parts of Europe that Ryanair is not well known in or serves. With FR not seeing any more planes for a year, W6 should try and build up share in these areas.
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Remember Ryanair's vision of organizing school trips to Auschwitz from Israel? Apparently this vision will be carried out by... Wizz Air. Their new route Tel-Aviv to Katowice will commence end October (on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays), just announced. One-way flights starting from 50 euros. And indeed, the distance from KTW airport to Oswiecim (Auschwitz) is only 60 kilometres, incredible!