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Important notice on their website states that they are no longer flying from coventry airport . last flight departs 2nd november. Whats the reason for this??
Various reasons, but CVT doesn't fit in with TUI travels plans.
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The Thomsonfly operation certainly did some good for bhx travellers eventually, as it gave bhx management a big kick up the backside and it helped shake them out of their malaise.
Desperately hanging on to the BA coat-tails whilst Thomsonfly moved into CVT and MOL taunted BHX as he moved some flights to EMA. It was desperate times until baby became established and then FR moved in.
Some of thomsonflys 700000 pax was just down to sheer ineptitude of the local competition but with the 733’s on the way out and eventually the FCA 320’s, was there ever going to be any other outcome. The German based 73W’s would have fitted the bill but that would have meant another UK sub fleet, which I am sure would never have happened.
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Desperately hanging on to the BA coat-tails whilst Thomsonfly moved into CVT and MOL taunted BHX as he moved some flights to EMA. It was desperate times until baby became established and then FR moved in.
Some of thomsonflys 700000 pax was just down to sheer ineptitude of the local competition but with the 733’s on the way out and eventually the FCA 320’s, was there ever going to be any other outcome. The German based 73W’s would have fitted the bill but that would have meant another UK sub fleet, which I am sure would never have happened.
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Just to add to some points made above. EMA Will also benifit Out of this Alot of people Useing COV Live North of there Nuneaton/Hinckley Area and From those sort of places there will not be much in it in distance between EMA And BHX. Some People Will Also Go to LTN Especially the people who live In the Northampton/Daventry/Rugby Area So BHX Will NOT Get an Increase of 700,000 Pax Over night Sorry People Have A Choice
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Hopefully Anybody Who Has Lost there Job at COV Or will be Looseing there Job in the Near Future Due To the Decision Of Thomson I Hope They Find New Employment Very Quickly Good Luck.
.Hopefully Anybody Who Has Lost there Job at COV Or will be Looseing there Job in the Near Future Due To the Decision Of Thomson I Hope They Find New Employment Very Quickly Good Luck.
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In 2005, thomsonfly carried over 700,000 passengers from the airport on its scheduled operations. This, in my opinion, quite clearly states in black and white that there is a demand for passenger operations at the airport
(incidentally that 700,000 passengers is 350,000 from the airport and 350,000 back to the airport )
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Unfortunately it is not unusual to come across such a post which is tainted by such arrogance and at the same time based on total ignorance.
However your's really does take the biscuit
Well done!
And you should be
Unfortunately it is not unusual to come across such a post which is tainted by such arrogance and at the same time based on total ignorance.
However your's really does take the biscuit
Well done!
And you should be
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Chris Orphanou now says that CVT has been talking to 19 airlines since Thomson announced their withdrawal.
Not too sure what to make of this as he's been seeking additional airlines for at least the last two years.
He also says -
"Of these, three or four are big players who saw Coventry as having potential."
"There is a market there that Birmingham doesn't have and I think Coventry and Birmingham could complement each other. I do not see Birmingham as a threat."
Why on earth should BHX want to complement Coventry? No matter what Chris Orphanou says they are business rivals.
As for new 'big players' moving into CVT, Thomsonfly is part of TUI Group which is a leisure travel company and has had the ability to funnel passengers into its Coventry based facilty.
Any other airline coming into Coventry without that advantage would have to go head to head with the lo-co's at BHX and Ryanair in particular.
CVT would have to pay an airline to fly from there - just how much money has that property developer owner got?
Not too sure what to make of this as he's been seeking additional airlines for at least the last two years.
He also says -
"Of these, three or four are big players who saw Coventry as having potential."
"There is a market there that Birmingham doesn't have and I think Coventry and Birmingham could complement each other. I do not see Birmingham as a threat."
Why on earth should BHX want to complement Coventry? No matter what Chris Orphanou says they are business rivals.
As for new 'big players' moving into CVT, Thomsonfly is part of TUI Group which is a leisure travel company and has had the ability to funnel passengers into its Coventry based facilty.
Any other airline coming into Coventry without that advantage would have to go head to head with the lo-co's at BHX and Ryanair in particular.
CVT would have to pay an airline to fly from there - just how much money has that property developer owner got?
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Orphanou's lost it big time, the full quote is:
"Birmingham's strategy is to service the long-haul market, whereas Coventry could look at the hotspots of the leisure area, such as Greece, Spain and Turkey. "There is a market there that Birmingham doesn't have and I think Coventry and Birmingham could complement each other. I do not see Birmingham as a threat."
A quick look at the arrivals board for BHX reveals multiple flights from....... Spain, Greece and Turkey - and all in the next 24 hours
Is this for the public's benefit or an attempt to stop his bosses from posting his P45?
S78
"Birmingham's strategy is to service the long-haul market, whereas Coventry could look at the hotspots of the leisure area, such as Greece, Spain and Turkey. "There is a market there that Birmingham doesn't have and I think Coventry and Birmingham could complement each other. I do not see Birmingham as a threat."
A quick look at the arrivals board for BHX reveals multiple flights from....... Spain, Greece and Turkey - and all in the next 24 hours
Is this for the public's benefit or an attempt to stop his bosses from posting his P45?
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S78,
CVT haven't just plucked Chris Orphanou out of mid air. As for him having lost it, how can you seriously doubt a man who has held the managerial positions that he has over the years?
If you read just a little into him, he has been involved and contributed largely to the development of 47 airports around the world, including the likes of Brussels, Luton, Belfast, London City, Cardiff and Orlando, as well as having responsibity for all Vinci airports in France and Mexico.
He hasn't made it this far in his career without any aviation accumen!
Chris (or other airport officials) have been quoted as saying that they have spoken to other airlines who had previously expressed an interest in operating services to Coventry, however, have been deterred by the dominant presence of thomsonfly. Now that they are going to disappear in a few weeks time, a world of possibilities are available to another airline.
Despite all the doom and gloom, I am one of the people that sees a future at Coventry for passenger operations, and in actual fact, I would go as far as saying that this may be the beginning.
Just my opinion,
CVT
CVT haven't just plucked Chris Orphanou out of mid air. As for him having lost it, how can you seriously doubt a man who has held the managerial positions that he has over the years?
If you read just a little into him, he has been involved and contributed largely to the development of 47 airports around the world, including the likes of Brussels, Luton, Belfast, London City, Cardiff and Orlando, as well as having responsibity for all Vinci airports in France and Mexico.
He hasn't made it this far in his career without any aviation accumen!
Chris (or other airport officials) have been quoted as saying that they have spoken to other airlines who had previously expressed an interest in operating services to Coventry, however, have been deterred by the dominant presence of thomsonfly. Now that they are going to disappear in a few weeks time, a world of possibilities are available to another airline.
Despite all the doom and gloom, I am one of the people that sees a future at Coventry for passenger operations, and in actual fact, I would go as far as saying that this may be the beginning.
Just my opinion,
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He hasn't made it this far in his career without any aviation accumen!
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Twostroke,
Regardless of whoever was in charge of the airport, be it Bill Savage, Chris Orphanou or any of the other CEO's / MD's that Coventry has been gifted with over the years, thomsonfly and Wizz Air would still have departed.
There have been many rumours (and I emphasise only rumours) around and within the airport over the past few months that thomsonfly have had numerous clauses in their contract that have not permitted or at least restricted the use of the aerodrome by other competitor carriers, and this will ofcourse mean that pretty much since he has been here, Chris has effectively had his hands tied behind his back.
Although I don't agree with some of the decisions made by Chris over the past few months, he is a very experienced airport manager who, I am no doubt sure will be a very important asset to Coventry Airport in the future
CVT.
Regardless of whoever was in charge of the airport, be it Bill Savage, Chris Orphanou or any of the other CEO's / MD's that Coventry has been gifted with over the years, thomsonfly and Wizz Air would still have departed.
There have been many rumours (and I emphasise only rumours) around and within the airport over the past few months that thomsonfly have had numerous clauses in their contract that have not permitted or at least restricted the use of the aerodrome by other competitor carriers, and this will ofcourse mean that pretty much since he has been here, Chris has effectively had his hands tied behind his back.
Although I don't agree with some of the decisions made by Chris over the past few months, he is a very experienced airport manager who, I am no doubt sure will be a very important asset to Coventry Airport in the future
CVT.
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Orphanou is a very experienced manager who talks out of his ar$e.
All he appears to do is spin the positive while refusing to (in public at least) accept the reality of the situation. Here's what he said in response to a question about TOM's impending review of their CVT ops:
"Thomsonfly had a review last year and it resulted in us getting sleeker, faster aircraft". Just a wee bit inaccurate and ignores the reduction in the number of based aircraft.
He may have a good track record elsewhere but on the basis of what he's said about CVT, I won't be asking him to pick my lottery numbers
S78
All he appears to do is spin the positive while refusing to (in public at least) accept the reality of the situation. Here's what he said in response to a question about TOM's impending review of their CVT ops:
"Thomsonfly had a review last year and it resulted in us getting sleeker, faster aircraft". Just a wee bit inaccurate and ignores the reduction in the number of based aircraft.
He may have a good track record elsewhere but on the basis of what he's said about CVT, I won't be asking him to pick my lottery numbers
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I hope that pax services return to coventry soon, however it is not that easy, and certainly not easy to secure a based unit.
Just look at the problems DTV have had since the departure of baby.
Now ther is an idea, they still have 737 500/300.
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Just look at the problems DTV have had since the departure of baby.
Now ther is an idea, they still have 737 500/300.
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S78,
It looks like we're going to have to beg to differ here.
Is the following quote not publically admitting and accepting the reality of the situation then?
''OK this is a big event for us. We are going to have to retrench and look at our operations. Thomsonfly was a big carrier, the biggest carrier we had here. Effectively the whole passenger business will go''.
Quote taken from the Birmingham Post.
In all fairness, the statement that you provided us with S78 was true, however, if not a little over-enthusuastic to say the least!
CVT
It looks like we're going to have to beg to differ here.
Is the following quote not publically admitting and accepting the reality of the situation then?
''OK this is a big event for us. We are going to have to retrench and look at our operations. Thomsonfly was a big carrier, the biggest carrier we had here. Effectively the whole passenger business will go''.
Quote taken from the Birmingham Post.
In all fairness, the statement that you provided us with S78 was true, however, if not a little over-enthusuastic to say the least!
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CVT,
We are definitely differing on Orphanou. I also saw that interview with the Birmingham Post, all very calm and reasonable, mentions increasing exec and cargo ops then ruins it all by going on about there being no competition for any new airlines to worry about.
How can someone of this bloke's experience ignore the airport 12 miles up the road? Especially as it is now home to the biggest of predators - Ryanair
S78
We are definitely differing on Orphanou. I also saw that interview with the Birmingham Post, all very calm and reasonable, mentions increasing exec and cargo ops then ruins it all by going on about there being no competition for any new airlines to worry about.
How can someone of this bloke's experience ignore the airport 12 miles up the road? Especially as it is now home to the biggest of predators - Ryanair
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Chris O has absolutely no idea, bit late for him to talk about trying to increase freight and exec movements when he has done nothing but undermine and hinder any existing traffic of that sort.
Been blatantly obvious to anybody that Thomsonfly have been looking to pull out for some time, but the airport management oblivious to the last.
He may have a track record of running airports before but not necessarily well, a bit of "Peter Principle" been applied to his career, and constantly been promoted beyond his capabilities then given good references to get rid of.
The airport is on it's last legs unfortunately and lots of good people are going to lose their jobs because of incompetence at management levels.
Been blatantly obvious to anybody that Thomsonfly have been looking to pull out for some time, but the airport management oblivious to the last.
He may have a track record of running airports before but not necessarily well, a bit of "Peter Principle" been applied to his career, and constantly been promoted beyond his capabilities then given good references to get rid of.
The airport is on it's last legs unfortunately and lots of good people are going to lose their jobs because of incompetence at management levels.
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As I mentioned in a previous reply, some rumours circulating around the airport have suggested that thomsonfly had gotten a clause in their contract that restricted or didn't permit other airlines to use the airport on a large scale or as a hub operation.
I am going to be one person who gives Chris a chance and see how he performs with no strings attached , if they originally were before criticising him. If developments don't then start to change for the better at Coventry, I will gladly swallow my words and agree with what seems to be the majority of you.
CVT
I am going to be one person who gives Chris a chance and see how he performs with no strings attached , if they originally were before criticising him. If developments don't then start to change for the better at Coventry, I will gladly swallow my words and agree with what seems to be the majority of you.
CVT