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0523 Cov Man,
After the quality of your last few post you had better come up with a credible source for your 'plates' theory - or is this just mindless optimism?
S78
After the quality of your last few post you had better come up with a credible source for your 'plates' theory - or is this just mindless optimism?
S78
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doubt anything will park up in the UK for any length of time. Not much of an earner for CVT. Oil price drop mean airlines will be rethinking anyway.
Still I suppose CVT need to clutch at straws now, even Wizz have abondoned ship.
Still I suppose CVT need to clutch at straws now, even Wizz have abondoned ship.
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ATC staff shortages?
NOTAMS appear to support this theory:
TWR and APP frequencies may be merged at short notice, airfield closed 5 hours a day every day this month, restricted to scheduled movements only at weekends 21:00z-06:00z for this month.
S78
TWR and APP frequencies may be merged at short notice, airfield closed 5 hours a day every day this month, restricted to scheduled movements only at weekends 21:00z-06:00z for this month.
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A quote from an item which appeared on CVT's website News but which has now been removed said:
"Following the recent incident, we as an airport operator have a duty of care to support our staff and consider their needs. Part of the process includes releasing key staff from their day to day duties to assist the enquiry process, whilst carrying out other duties.
Whilst the ongoing enquiry continues into the incident at Coventry, this may restrict the service we offer but will enable staff to fully participate in the process."
Despite the Human Resources strangled terminology it sounds to me like standard procedure and explains a possible temporary shortage of staff.
"Following the recent incident, we as an airport operator have a duty of care to support our staff and consider their needs. Part of the process includes releasing key staff from their day to day duties to assist the enquiry process, whilst carrying out other duties.
Whilst the ongoing enquiry continues into the incident at Coventry, this may restrict the service we offer but will enable staff to fully participate in the process."
Despite the Human Resources strangled terminology it sounds to me like standard procedure and explains a possible temporary shortage of staff.
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does anyone know when the high court is going to give its verdict on the terminal at cvt. Also heard that tom might be using fc's a320's when tom retire the 737's after next summer. is this a rumour or anybody heard different?
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i heard on the radio ( classic gold ) that tom are reveiwing aircraft and routes from cvt. cant seemed to find anything on this. not to mention, a friend of mine said to me that tom is bringing in a320's when the 737's go and they're staying till their contract runs out.
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TUI trading update
I guess the radio report was based on a trading update from TUI this morning.
They seem to be going for making the airline as profitable as possible.
UK - Scheduled capacity was -39% this summer and planned to be a remarkable -72% in the winter.
With Ryanair killing profitablity around BHX at the moment I cannot see any Thomson fly at coventry in winter 09/10. I am not sure how long the contract with the airport last but there are always methods to excape.
http://pdf.reuters.com/Regnews/regne...0929:Rnsc5158E
They seem to be going for making the airline as profitable as possible.
UK - Scheduled capacity was -39% this summer and planned to be a remarkable -72% in the winter.
With Ryanair killing profitablity around BHX at the moment I cannot see any Thomson fly at coventry in winter 09/10. I am not sure how long the contract with the airport last but there are always methods to excape.
http://pdf.reuters.com/Regnews/regne...0929:Rnsc5158E
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This is grim reading, I wonder if the declining number of aircraft Thomson have based at Coventry is a response to dwindling passenger numbers or the cause of the decline.
Would they be able to transfer some of the routes to the Birmingham operation or do they have to wait until the end of the contract with coventry before pulling out?
What about people who have booked for next summer?
worrying.
Would they be able to transfer some of the routes to the Birmingham operation or do they have to wait until the end of the contract with coventry before pulling out?
What about people who have booked for next summer?
worrying.
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Thomson
The trend at CVT is obviously very worrying for the Coventry staff.
Looking at the the passenger stats for the last 2-3 years shows that even without taking Wizzair's departure into account numbers have will have virtually halved by the end of this year.
The real mystery is why Thomson is still flying from the airport when they have a much larger operation going on at BHX and with the exception of Jersey, all the Coventry routes seem to be duplicated there.
A number of people have surmised that Thomsonfly are presently bound by contractual obligations to continue ops from CVT but to be honest, the Thomsonfly BHX/CVT situation is analogous to a supermarket also running a corner shop just across road selling the same things.
It's no comfort to CVT people but the Thomson employees would be almost guaranteed a job at BHX if Thomson shifted the Coventry flights there.
It seems to me that in the (unlikely?) event the High Court judge decides the rejection of planning permission was flawed in law, there is no guarantee that a re-run of the application assessment process would produce a different result, particularly as some of the observations in the Enquiry Report seem to have been reinforced by facts associated with falling passenger numbers.
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Looking at the the passenger stats for the last 2-3 years shows that even without taking Wizzair's departure into account numbers have will have virtually halved by the end of this year.
The real mystery is why Thomson is still flying from the airport when they have a much larger operation going on at BHX and with the exception of Jersey, all the Coventry routes seem to be duplicated there.
A number of people have surmised that Thomsonfly are presently bound by contractual obligations to continue ops from CVT but to be honest, the Thomsonfly BHX/CVT situation is analogous to a supermarket also running a corner shop just across road selling the same things.
It's no comfort to CVT people but the Thomson employees would be almost guaranteed a job at BHX if Thomson shifted the Coventry flights there.
It seems to me that in the (unlikely?) event the High Court judge decides the rejection of planning permission was flawed in law, there is no guarantee that a re-run of the application assessment process would produce a different result, particularly as some of the observations in the Enquiry Report seem to have been reinforced by facts associated with falling passenger numbers.
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Have you noticed that the BHx centric posters have progresively moved the two airports closer together. I would defy anyone to to travel 12 miles or less by road between any part of the two airports.
Its highly likely that Thomson will cut flights from Coventry its the only station in the Uk that next summer currently has the same number of flights as this summer.
Its highly likely that Thomson will cut flights from Coventry its the only station in the Uk that next summer currently has the same number of flights as this summer.
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CVT person
That's quite right, the two airports are probably 14 miles apart.
The BHX centric posters would however, probably make the point that Coventry Airport is South of Coventry itself which leaves the citizens of Coventry much nearer to BHX than 14 miles and some of them are probably only 9/10 miles away.
That's quite right, the two airports are probably 14 miles apart.
The BHX centric posters would however, probably make the point that Coventry Airport is South of Coventry itself which leaves the citizens of Coventry much nearer to BHX than 14 miles and some of them are probably only 9/10 miles away.
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The terminal to terminal distance is 15.5 miles or an error in the orginal posting of 29%.
It is of course true that the bulk of the city of Coventry is closer to Birmingham than this but alternatively there is no part of Coventry that is closer to Birmingham airport than it is to Coventry Airport. Also although a large part of the clientele at Coventry does emanate from within the boundaries of the city there is a large percentage that does not including places such as Rugby, Northampton and Corby where Birmingham is not closer.
In the final analysis its a matter of choice and if the past couple of years has shown anything it is that when faced with a choice between competing services between Coventry and Birmingham some choose the small, personal and somewhat quirky experience at Coventry to the mass transit linked with a shopping offered at Birmingham. There is room for both.
It is of course true that the bulk of the city of Coventry is closer to Birmingham than this but alternatively there is no part of Coventry that is closer to Birmingham airport than it is to Coventry Airport. Also although a large part of the clientele at Coventry does emanate from within the boundaries of the city there is a large percentage that does not including places such as Rugby, Northampton and Corby where Birmingham is not closer.
In the final analysis its a matter of choice and if the past couple of years has shown anything it is that when faced with a choice between competing services between Coventry and Birmingham some choose the small, personal and somewhat quirky experience at Coventry to the mass transit linked with a shopping offered at Birmingham. There is room for both.
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CVT person
You're right about the quirky experience but that would of course totally disappear if the airport expanded to 2 million passengers a year.
Also of course, referring to BHX as 'mass transit linked with shopping' ignores the fact that CVT would go down exactly the same route if allowed to expand in the way the airport wants.
It occurs to me that the failure of CVT to attract additional airlines is pretty significant as to its potential and this has been compounded by Thomsonfly's failure to find other airlines willing to come in to reduce the impact of their capacity reductions.
No one seems to really know how committed to CVT Thomsonfly is however anyone taking a quick look at Thomsonfly.com would find it difficult to realise Thomson actually fly from Birmingham Airport.
It never appears in the drop-down list of cheap flights despite EMA, Gatwick, Luton and Manchester appearing with the smaller airports so perhaps they are still prepared to shoot themselves in the foot to support Coventry.
You're right about the quirky experience but that would of course totally disappear if the airport expanded to 2 million passengers a year.
Also of course, referring to BHX as 'mass transit linked with shopping' ignores the fact that CVT would go down exactly the same route if allowed to expand in the way the airport wants.
It occurs to me that the failure of CVT to attract additional airlines is pretty significant as to its potential and this has been compounded by Thomsonfly's failure to find other airlines willing to come in to reduce the impact of their capacity reductions.
No one seems to really know how committed to CVT Thomsonfly is however anyone taking a quick look at Thomsonfly.com would find it difficult to realise Thomson actually fly from Birmingham Airport.
It never appears in the drop-down list of cheap flights despite EMA, Gatwick, Luton and Manchester appearing with the smaller airports so perhaps they are still prepared to shoot themselves in the foot to support Coventry.
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Bhx Cvt
"The terminal to terminal distance is 15.5 miles or an error in the orginal posting of 29%."
The original post said 12 miles or so. I am sure the 'so 'caters for the 2.5 miles that are missing.
The point is really that the distance is not that far, neither is the distance to EMA.
As for the Rugby passengers you can throw in Luton as well just down the M1.
My view is the more choice of Airports the better, once gone difficult to replace.
The original post was a direct result of the question ' What will happen to the passengers that have booked." It was nothing to do with the staff that work there which was not asked.
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The original post said 12 miles or so. I am sure the 'so 'caters for the 2.5 miles that are missing.
The point is really that the distance is not that far, neither is the distance to EMA.
As for the Rugby passengers you can throw in Luton as well just down the M1.
My view is the more choice of Airports the better, once gone difficult to replace.
The original post was a direct result of the question ' What will happen to the passengers that have booked." It was nothing to do with the staff that work there which was not asked.
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