Cityjet

[ib26uk]

Lets look at the evidence.........

Flybe order Embraer 195s and 175s...

Flybe announce they " plan " to acquire two european regional airlines...

Flybe have a massive co-operation with Air France...

Air France own CityJet which is a regional airline...

Rumour has it that Flybe are interested in acquiring CityJet...

Airliners.net states that Lufthansa order Embraer 195s for Lufthansa Regional...

Flybe + CityJet + Lufthansa Regional = A pretty big regional airline company !!!!!

I think Flybe are an airline to watch !!!!!!!!!!!

[Skipness One Echo]

Flybe + CityJet + Lufthansa Regional = A pretty big regional airline company !!!!!

I think Flybe are an airline to watch !!!!!!!!!!!

Loco + Air France / Skyteam player + Lufthansa / STAR ALLIANCE player = CHAOS + BANKRUPTCY

Apples, oranges and opal fruits, come on!!!

[second coming]

As mentioned before, why on earth would Lufthansa sell its regional airline to a rival effectively inviting them into their backyard? Come on be realistic. Lufthansa are one of the most profitable airlines in the world, they don't have to sell anything.
Can not see AF buying flybe, guess they could and keep operating the flybe brand as to not annoy to many British people. Thats a scary thought to be honest, hope it doesn't happen.

[dublinaviator]

Originally Posted by ib26uk

Lets look at the evidence.........

Flybe order Embraer 195s and 175s...

Flybe announce they " plan " to acquire two european regional airlines...

Flybe have a massive co-operation with Air France...

Air France own CityJet which is a regional airline...

Rumour has it that Flybe are interested in acquiring CityJet...

Airliners.net states that Lufthansa order Embraer 195s for Lufthansa Regional...

Flybe + CityJet + Lufthansa Regional = A pretty big regional airline company !!!!!

I think Flybe are an airline to watch !!!!!!!!!!!

Yeh thats a very strong arguement yeh have there. Tell me, do you just have a degree in bull****, or did you get a masters in it too?

[dublindispatch]

I think we should get Miss Marple on the case to sort out whats going on. It seems that everyone is buying everyone else with somebody elses money without telling anyone what the are doing!!!

[frankdjs]

CityJet trimming network from LCY

Did anyone notice the release that the schedule from LCY is being cut back?

The info was in a press release on their punctuality:

In summary:

LCY EDI down to 6 from 7
LCY Dundee down to 3 from 4, but from 2011 will feature the F50.
LCY JER is cancelled

Also, the LCY AMS route is down to 7 from 9, but not mentioned in the release.

I was booked on a cancelled flight, hence the trawl through the schedule.

I guess they are cutting back to same money, having been on very empty RJ's from AMS to LCY during the late morning myself.

[ajamieson]

Good spot by frankdjs

Real shame about JER ending after the summer timetable - is it perhaps just becoming seasonal? I'm surprised they can't make it work given the only other option is to LGW.

Seems to be really variable loads on other flights. I could live with only 6x daily to EDI. The current timetable is somewhat eccentric, with lots of spare capacity on weekdays and almost no service at weekend...perhaps understandably, given the market and the airport opening hours, but BA provides a better schedule on Saturday and Sunday. On a weekday There are two EDI-LCY flights close together in the middle of the afternoon...one at about 3.30pm on a Do328 which is usually always rammed, and one an hour earlier on an RJ usually with only a handful on board. No complaints from me as it means more seating space but it is no wonder they are losing millions.

[Bonbia]

The arrival of the new French Female CEO will have something to do with this thats for sure but she's also surely been brought in to sort out the Male dominated, Ex Air Corps hierarchy which have brought Cityjet to its knees

Indeed alot of knashing of teeth, very frequent visits to the loo. Listening to some recent conversations in BBia (overhearing)of course. Lots frightened.
A new Groundy is also creating quite a stir and wont be around for long in these parts.

BB

[jerboy]

Real shame about JER ending after the summer timetable - is it perhaps just becoming seasonal? I'm surprised they can't make it work given the only other option is to LGW.

I think the writing has been on the wall for LCY-JER for years. VG started it up with a pretty good 3xdaily service with a JER based a/c. Sadly the yields gathered didn't justify the base and it dropped to the once daily day stopping service that we currently have.

Given the low load factor (although of course not indicative of yield, 20 pax/day can't be great), the costs associated with a crew daystopping in a hotel, the 6-7 hours a day the a/c is on the ground in JER not making any money, fact it is only useful for pax spending the day in JER, I can't see how its been sustained for the past few years.

Its not that JER business pax aren't interested in an LCY service; I think they would be. However what they are interested in is keeping their BA Gold Cards, well, Gold. If BA were to introduce a 2 or 3xdaily LCY service with a E175 (maybe at the expense of an LGW rotation or two), I feel it would do quite well.

[ragnarok]

Finnair is possibly the 2nd airline...

- Strong presence on European market

- Flights to Asia (Good news for AF/KLM, Airline business is shifting to the East)

International destinations
Amsterdam
Bangkok
Barcelona
Beijing
Bergen
Berlin
Brussels
Budapest
Bucharest
Delhi
Dusseldorf
Ekaterinburg
Frankfurt
Geneve
Gothenburg
Hamburg
Hong Kong
Istanbul
Copenhagen
Kiev
Krakow
Lisbon
Ljubljana
London
Madrid
Manchester
Milan
Moscow
Munich
Nagoya
New York
Osaka
Oslo
Paris
St Petersburg
Prague
Riga
Rome
Seoul
Shanghai
Tallinn
Tokyo
Stockholm
Warsaw
Venice
Vilnius
Vienna
Zurich

In co-operation with Finncomm Airlines from Helsinki

Norrköping
Tallinn
Riga
Vilnius
Bucharest

[escaped crusader]

Finnair is possibly the 2nd airline...
Complete dribble.. Got your wires crossed there monsieur. Flybe are doing some wet lease work for Finnair but as for Flybe buying them... No chance.

A new Groundy is also creating quite a stir and wont be around for long in these parts.
Won't be the only one. I'd say there's a few around swords business campus who won't be around for long. Once the new CEO gets to the bottom of it, those who have had it so cushy for so long, lining their own pockets, following their own agenda, can expect the guillotine to come crashing down just as quickly as it did for the old CEO...
E.C.

[Saab2000 Freak]

Would another airline consider picking up the LCY-JER route, perhaps in conjunction with a stop in GCI? Perhaps Eastern, ASW, BACF or Blue Islands?

Surely with the Channel Islands strong finance industries some sort of LCY route could be sustained?

[second coming]

I think its been proven that anything under a 50-seater can not make money at LCY. In fact seem to remember reading that LCY actively discourage planes of that size so doubt any of the operators mentioned will operate Jersey.

[airferries]

second coming/ teleparty

Aircraft with less than 50 seats do work at LCY. They just have their niches. Cityjet/ScotAirways do quite well with the Dornier 328 on the EDI/DND likewise Sun Air to BLL. LCY is very much a niche airport and it is only because of such small aircraft, this airport ever came into existence.

[Ringwayman]

Wel if LCY doesn't like less than 50 seaters, I guess they'll be writing to BA to tell them to stop operating their JFK route then I as I believe the A318s operating the service are configured to 32 passengers only.

[second coming]

Its just what I remember reading when Eastern Airways tried operating a few routes on their jetstreams.

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by frankdjs

LCY Dundee down to 3 from 4, but from 2011 will feature the F50.

Is this the end of Scot operating for Cityjet ? What will happen to the Edinburgh run ?

F50 all the way to Dundee is going to be a slow drone.

[OpsSix]

The Eastern route to NCL never did catch on. I dispatched that flight many times with outbound passenger numbers in single digits and the inbound often empty!
What was odd is that when it was announced the route was to end, the loads shot up but it was all too late.

[BISH-BASH-BOSH]

WHBM, yes is the answer to your question.

[RB311]

Ops Six,

closing down an airline route is like shutting a railway line, everyone turns up to ride on the last train.