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I wonder why Manston, an airport with so little, attracts so much
heat, noise and passion.
It's just a pity that all this energy being expounded on it's behalf doesn't translate into actual business.
There has to be a reason. Could it be that it's in the wrong place and
without a significant catchment area. A massive runway, few ATC restrictions, and in the South East, an area desperate for runway capacity,yet no airlines fighting to get in.
Do the math! As they say in the States!
heat, noise and passion.
It's just a pity that all this energy being expounded on it's behalf doesn't translate into actual business.
There has to be a reason. Could it be that it's in the wrong place and
without a significant catchment area. A massive runway, few ATC restrictions, and in the South East, an area desperate for runway capacity,yet no airlines fighting to get in.
Do the math! As they say in the States!
Last edited by tilewood; 26th Jul 2006 at 16:01.
Originally Posted by tilewood
I wonder why Manston, an airport with so little, attracts so much heat, noise and passion.
Originally Posted by tilewood
There has to be a reason. Could it be that it's in the wrong place and without a significant catchment area.
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People state the following.
A) A number of EUjet managers are reported to be doing well in other locations, but not at Manston.
B) EUjet SNN flights were very good, while Manston's were not.
Also, after a year of new management I have observed.
A) Manston still processing large aircraft carrying less than 10 people.
B) After 8 years of commercial operation, there are still only around 3 or 4 freight movements a week.
Work it out for yourselves guys.
It ain't rocket science!!!!!!!
A) A number of EUjet managers are reported to be doing well in other locations, but not at Manston.
B) EUjet SNN flights were very good, while Manston's were not.
Also, after a year of new management I have observed.
A) Manston still processing large aircraft carrying less than 10 people.
B) After 8 years of commercial operation, there are still only around 3 or 4 freight movements a week.
Work it out for yourselves guys.
It ain't rocket science!!!!!!!
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Yes EU Jet was losing money and a drain on planestation.
So was -
The plans for the London race course
The property "experiment" at Burford
The head office in Mayfair
The BIP
The other European airport structure for Oliver’s dream of interlinking flights
The Liverpool plans for a nice garden show.
The colossal payoffs for incompetent senior managers
Etc Etc Etc........
Eu jet was part of the collapse not the sole reason; at least part of EU jet was working which is more than can be said for the whole company.
So was -
The plans for the London race course
The property "experiment" at Burford
The head office in Mayfair
The BIP
The other European airport structure for Oliver’s dream of interlinking flights
The Liverpool plans for a nice garden show.
The colossal payoffs for incompetent senior managers
Etc Etc Etc........
Eu jet was part of the collapse not the sole reason; at least part of EU jet was working which is more than can be said for the whole company.
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For all those staff that worked so very hard to make EUjet work. And it was, the forward booking for Aug/Sept were excellent, written complaints were down to less than 30 per month, the general responses from the travelling passengers were very encouraging.
On this 26th July, the 1st anniversary..hope you are all doing well, and ignor all this negativity about our company, we knew we had a good product, and we were all exceptionally pround to work for and be associated with EUJET
On this 26th July, the 1st anniversary..hope you are all doing well, and ignor all this negativity about our company, we knew we had a good product, and we were all exceptionally pround to work for and be associated with EUJET
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Originally Posted by EUAir
Catflaps- I know for a fact that you have no idea of the Revenue and Yield that EUjet brought in during her time in operation! It was Planestation and Wiggind bad management over many years that contributed heavily to the firms demise and the loss of so many jobs!
EUjets passenger figures for August last year were excellent- even the poorer routes had good numbers of forward bookings- the company went dead because of Bank of Scotland decision to pull their overdraft facility. EUjet was in the Middle of a potential management takeover at the time, and because nothing could be done due to legal reasons for the purchase to continue it collapsed. EUjet and MSE were viable business. EUjet SNN routes were all doing really well, and had fantastic potential- hence why there were investors interested in continuing EUjet!
You mention Facts, Catflaps, but you need to make sure you have all of yours to hand, and that you don't sound like a former Wiggins employee who was happy with MK flying in and a few charter flights a year- and EUjet caused a bit of excitment- a new challenge and scared the
out of you!
EUjets passenger figures for August last year were excellent- even the poorer routes had good numbers of forward bookings- the company went dead because of Bank of Scotland decision to pull their overdraft facility. EUjet was in the Middle of a potential management takeover at the time, and because nothing could be done due to legal reasons for the purchase to continue it collapsed. EUjet and MSE were viable business. EUjet SNN routes were all doing really well, and had fantastic potential- hence why there were investors interested in continuing EUjet!
You mention Facts, Catflaps, but you need to make sure you have all of yours to hand, and that you don't sound like a former Wiggins employee who was happy with MK flying in and a few charter flights a year- and EUjet caused a bit of excitment- a new challenge and scared the
out of you!
Andy what was EUjets busiest Routes and its pax numbers? and did you ever fly with them well I did 13 times Hope more Passager flights return to Manston but I would like the RAF or the BA would return to manston
or some other air force like UAE have with there C-130 flights into MSE instead off Brize Norton .Tilewood there are other UK airport in the wrong place and they are doing very well.ANDY deedave and Tilewood are you part off the MAG group James
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QUOTE=Manston Airport]Tilewood there are other UK airport in the wrong place and they are doing very well.ANDY deedave and Tilewood are you part off the MAG group
James[/QUOTE]
No James, by definition if an airport is in the 'wrong place' it will not be
doing very well. It is commerce, and the profit motive that determines
the success of any business, and airports and airlines cannot buck that trend.
Airlines will not be attracted to an airport just because you want them. Civil aviation is a hard nosed business, with many losers and very few winners.
Manston may find it's niche market, but if anyone can tell me where it's
mass passenger catchment area is to sustain a frequent scheduled
operation I will be interested to hear, and so will the airlines you wish
to convince. Do you think they have not done their sums?
Incidentally I do not need to belong to any group MAG (whatever that is)
or any other. I am old enough and professional enough to be able to know
what will work and what won't!
Now if you were to put in a motorway, and fast rail link directly from London
into an integrated terminal you may be onto something!!
James[/QUOTE]
No James, by definition if an airport is in the 'wrong place' it will not be
doing very well. It is commerce, and the profit motive that determines
the success of any business, and airports and airlines cannot buck that trend.
Airlines will not be attracted to an airport just because you want them. Civil aviation is a hard nosed business, with many losers and very few winners.
Manston may find it's niche market, but if anyone can tell me where it's
mass passenger catchment area is to sustain a frequent scheduled
operation I will be interested to hear, and so will the airlines you wish
to convince. Do you think they have not done their sums?
Incidentally I do not need to belong to any group MAG (whatever that is)
or any other. I am old enough and professional enough to be able to know
what will work and what won't!
Now if you were to put in a motorway, and fast rail link directly from London
into an integrated terminal you may be onto something!!
Originally Posted by Manston Airport
ANDY deedave and Tilewood are you part off the MAG group
James
James
You'll see from my profile that I don't live anywhere near Kent. You'll also note, if you read my earlier post, that I was a shareholder in Planestation. By definition, I invested my own money into Manston Airport and, by extension, EUjet. What motive would I have for wanting to oppose the airport?
If you're going to contribute to an aviation related website like this one, you should be prepared to exhange views with people who have differing opinions to yourself without resorting to childish insults.
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Tilewood - Why so down on Manston yet so keen on Southend 
It seems to me both airfields have their own set of significant hurdles to overcome if they ever hope to take a step up the ladder.A more balanced view might be more useful to this thread than the constant sniping.
DTUP
It seems to me both airfields have their own set of significant hurdles to overcome if they ever hope to take a step up the ladder.A more balanced view might be more useful to this thread than the constant sniping.
DTUP
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Dont tell um pike
DTUP. There is no need to be confused. I have no feelings about Manston
either way. I would like to see it succeed,as I would any viable airport.
Whilst I can understand local people would want to cheer it on, their enthusiasm must have some basis in fact and reality, and not the realms of fantasy that seem to permeate this particular thread.
In my opinion Manston has a place as a charter airport, and freight hub,
but as a scheduled service, high frequency LOCO operation I don't think so.
Where are the passengers going to come from?
As I stated earlier, with it's excellent runway, and location outside the
London TMA in the South East of England, why aren't the scheduled
carriers lining up to fly from Manston?
Surely however much you may wish it to succeed that is a question you
must be asking .
DTUP. There is no need to be confused. I have no feelings about Manston
either way. I would like to see it succeed,as I would any viable airport.
Whilst I can understand local people would want to cheer it on, their enthusiasm must have some basis in fact and reality, and not the realms of fantasy that seem to permeate this particular thread.
In my opinion Manston has a place as a charter airport, and freight hub,
but as a scheduled service, high frequency LOCO operation I don't think so.
Where are the passengers going to come from?
As I stated earlier, with it's excellent runway, and location outside the
London TMA in the South East of England, why aren't the scheduled
carriers lining up to fly from Manston?
Surely however much you may wish it to succeed that is a question you
must be asking .
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I live in a cave in the South and have commented on Lydd's, Manstons and Southends thread (amongst others) and have no real links to any (except relatives in Southend). To be honest a have to agree that Southend has the better prospects in terms of catchment and location relative to London than the others.
Location, location, location.
Lydd, I think most will agree would need millions upon millions to have a suitable infrastructure. Even then the catchment is too sparse.But they have had the right sort of investment to date.
Southend is mainly suffering from a lack of investment ( Apparently about to change).
As for MANSTON. They have the best runway, a modern, yet modest terminal and modern freight transfer facilities.
I don't believe Infratil would have taken on a manston without doing their homework. With the right market research, and subsequent marketing. I am sure there will be a demand for certain routes with pax.
I suspect that a cargo center would be a more appropriate use for the airport as the main.
I sincerely hope that all 3 find their niche in the market. They are providing employment and training.
I would hate to see any of them become a Wimpy homes estate, and lost forever.
Just my little input.
Location, location, location.
Lydd, I think most will agree would need millions upon millions to have a suitable infrastructure. Even then the catchment is too sparse.But they have had the right sort of investment to date.
Southend is mainly suffering from a lack of investment ( Apparently about to change).
As for MANSTON. They have the best runway, a modern, yet modest terminal and modern freight transfer facilities.
I don't believe Infratil would have taken on a manston without doing their homework. With the right market research, and subsequent marketing. I am sure there will be a demand for certain routes with pax.
I suspect that a cargo center would be a more appropriate use for the airport as the main.
I sincerely hope that all 3 find their niche in the market. They are providing employment and training.
I would hate to see any of them become a Wimpy homes estate, and lost forever.
Just my little input.
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James,
It doesn't really matter what the best route was in terms of pax numbers- as that doesn't generally mean that it was the most profitable. EDI was a good one in terms of money at the end of the day and a route that FlyGlobespan looked at doing from MSE.
It doesn't really matter what the best route was in terms of pax numbers- as that doesn't generally mean that it was the most profitable. EDI was a good one in terms of money at the end of the day and a route that FlyGlobespan looked at doing from MSE.
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Esperia Air have updated their website
They plan to use MME to NCL and have altered their timetable. They will have three MD-83's for a December start. A coach service will operate to London Bridge
I'm still sceptical on this. Their website and proposed schedule hardly inspires confidence. Hopefuly the schedule listed will not be the one they use when/if they start flights
They plan to use MME to NCL and have altered their timetable. They will have three MD-83's for a December start. A coach service will operate to London Bridge
I'm still sceptical on this. Their website and proposed schedule hardly inspires confidence. Hopefuly the schedule listed will not be the one they use when/if they start flights
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Originally Posted by tilewood
I wonder why Manston, an airport with so little, attracts so much
heat, noise and passion.
It's just a pity that all this energy being expounded on it's behalf doesn't translate into actual business.
There has to be a reason. Could it be that it's in the wrong place and
without a significant catchment area. A massive runway, few ATC restrictions, and in the South East, an area desperate for runway capacity,yet no airlines fighting to get in.
Do the math! As they say in the States!
heat, noise and passion.
It's just a pity that all this energy being expounded on it's behalf doesn't translate into actual business.
There has to be a reason. Could it be that it's in the wrong place and
without a significant catchment area. A massive runway, few ATC restrictions, and in the South East, an area desperate for runway capacity,yet no airlines fighting to get in.
Do the math! As they say in the States!
Those that are in the know are very aware of the actual business being created at Manston.
With the launch of ticket sales for Norfolk Virginia going on sale very shortly, the ongoing freight business with MK Airlines which is rumoured to increase the additional charter freight that has recently increased and 2 more regular freight services about to announce routes into Manston, i would say that represents a significant increase in "actual business"
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Good to see the cargo business doing well. There is great potential as the distance to London is less of an issue for freight operators, compared to passenger operators. Are these new services moved from another London airport or brand new business?
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Originally Posted by tilewood
In my opinion Manston has a place as a charter airport, and freight hub .
Blazing Air, delighted to hear it, just goes to prove the point I made earlier!
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Originally Posted by blazing_air
They are existing freight carriers, so a real coo for the Business Development Team
Any scheduled airlines interested in Manston at the moment other than Esperia? There surely is demandfor scheduled flights to key markets such as EDI, DUB, AMS