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Support for regional air services gone from Mid 2011 according to todays 4 year plan.
According to my sums... there still should be over €10m in PSO's remaining.
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Kerry will have to go as it's operating on a commercial basis, but that's a Ryanair route anyway.
Galway-Dublin is now too fast by road for it to be considered.
I think those two alone could account for the 5.5 million drop.
Galway-Dublin is now too fast by road for it to be considered.
I think those two alone could account for the 5.5 million drop.
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l can`t bear the suspense any longer.
Pax demanding, and frequently troublesome. Too few of them to produce a profit.
Freight silent and generally trouble free.
Money put into an airline by a freight haulier to visit a planned freight distribution centre is, apparently, unfathomable.
Now look Sherlock, before l give up, may l point out that ten years ago the average price per kilo of next day delivered freight was slightly over Ł11.
lf l was cabin crew at Aer Arann l wouldn`t be taking out a mortgage.
l wish you lads and lasses well, l did a few years working there, but you can`t buck market forces.
My very best wishes to you all.
Freight silent and generally trouble free.
Money put into an airline by a freight haulier to visit a planned freight distribution centre is, apparently, unfathomable.
Now look Sherlock, before l give up, may l point out that ten years ago the average price per kilo of next day delivered freight was slightly over Ł11.
lf l was cabin crew at Aer Arann l wouldn`t be taking out a mortgage.
l wish you lads and lasses well, l did a few years working there, but you can`t buck market forces.
My very best wishes to you all.
Money put into an airline by a freight haulier to visit a planned freight distribution centre is, apparently, unfathomable
overun
You're starting from a false assumption there I'm afraid.
Stobarts have no plans for a 'freight disribution centre' at SEN - all the investment is going into pax facilities and the freight shed will actually be demolished to make way for an FBO hangar.
A network of routes by RE from SEN to secondary European cities could be extremely successful in my view and I believe that is their aim.
You're starting from a false assumption there I'm afraid.
Stobarts have no plans for a 'freight disribution centre' at SEN - all the investment is going into pax facilities and the freight shed will actually be demolished to make way for an FBO hangar.
A network of routes by RE from SEN to secondary European cities could be extremely successful in my view and I believe that is their aim.
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Expressflight.
Wrong assumption l could accept, false assumption no.
Why would a european road haulier take an interest in an airport so close to Liege, attempt passenger services when the passenger carrying experts who have tried have failed ?
Southend has a history of night ops, is unlikely to frighten the horses, and post rush hour could launch straight into the airways going direct anywhere.
The first step would be to rebuild the airport buildings, which are virtually derelict anyway.
The potential for local job creation would stop dead complaints from the greens.
You may well be right, but l doubt it.
Very best wishes, Overun.
Why would a european road haulier take an interest in an airport so close to Liege, attempt passenger services when the passenger carrying experts who have tried have failed ?
Southend has a history of night ops, is unlikely to frighten the horses, and post rush hour could launch straight into the airways going direct anywhere.
The first step would be to rebuild the airport buildings, which are virtually derelict anyway.
The potential for local job creation would stop dead complaints from the greens.
You may well be right, but l doubt it.
Very best wishes, Overun.
Expressflight
Am I right in thinking the freight shed at SEN is still the ex-RAF WW2 T2 hangar ? In which case, replacing it by a purpose-built FBO hangar sounds a rather good idea.
But surely SEN needs some sort of freight handling facility, and I don't mean a Stobart distribution centre, otherwise it could be turning away business that could make a welcome contribution. It may need all the help it can get. Is there any such plan ?
With apologies for thread drift...
But surely SEN needs some sort of freight handling facility, and I don't mean a Stobart distribution centre, otherwise it could be turning away business that could make a welcome contribution. It may need all the help it can get. Is there any such plan ?
With apologies for thread drift...
overun
"Wrong assumption, false assumption" Can't see much difference myself but never mind.
The point that is being missed with regard to SEN's passenger potential now compared with in the past is simply that it will be a totally different airport by this time next year.
Your comments on the current "nearly derelict airport buildings" needing replacement shows, I'm afraid, that you're just not up to speed on SEN's current redevelopment. By this time next year it will have an extended and upgraded runway which is truly E175/195 etc. capable, a brand new co-located passenger terminal and train station, new control tower and a 3 & 5 star hotel. It is a much more attractive proposition to both potential passengers and airlines than it has been for the past 40 years. This will be particularly so for European inbound traffic, as is being shown by the current airline interest.
There is a considerable 'green' campaign against night movements and the Section 106 agreement forming part of the planning consent allows only four movements per night period with a cap on total freight ATMs of 10% of total movements. Not exactly the terms to which Stobarts would have readily agreed had they seen SEN as a potantial freight 'hub'.
Tagron
I agree with you about the freight shed - currently freight has to be apron handled, which is OK for courier/express freight but more than that simply couldn't be realistically dealt with in my view. Yes, it is the T2 hangar which is the site for the FBO facility and that will offer SEN another string to its bow.
All the above, while not directly relevant to the RE thread does illustrate why they have been attracted to SEN; it actually being quite a long standing interest going back a number of years.
"Wrong assumption, false assumption" Can't see much difference myself but never mind.
The point that is being missed with regard to SEN's passenger potential now compared with in the past is simply that it will be a totally different airport by this time next year.
Your comments on the current "nearly derelict airport buildings" needing replacement shows, I'm afraid, that you're just not up to speed on SEN's current redevelopment. By this time next year it will have an extended and upgraded runway which is truly E175/195 etc. capable, a brand new co-located passenger terminal and train station, new control tower and a 3 & 5 star hotel. It is a much more attractive proposition to both potential passengers and airlines than it has been for the past 40 years. This will be particularly so for European inbound traffic, as is being shown by the current airline interest.
There is a considerable 'green' campaign against night movements and the Section 106 agreement forming part of the planning consent allows only four movements per night period with a cap on total freight ATMs of 10% of total movements. Not exactly the terms to which Stobarts would have readily agreed had they seen SEN as a potantial freight 'hub'.
Tagron
I agree with you about the freight shed - currently freight has to be apron handled, which is OK for courier/express freight but more than that simply couldn't be realistically dealt with in my view. Yes, it is the T2 hangar which is the site for the FBO facility and that will offer SEN another string to its bow.
All the above, while not directly relevant to the RE thread does illustrate why they have been attracted to SEN; it actually being quite a long standing interest going back a number of years.
Aer Arann adds routes and ends sponsorship deal
Two stories regarding RE in this weeks news;
Another aircraft to serve the Aer Lingus Regional brand and two new routes, Dublin to both Bristol and Aberdeen
Aer Arann/Aer Lingus extend franchise service - RTÉ News
And some cutting back with the ending of the sponsorship of the Galway County GAA football team. Hopefully they'll be able to keep up the marketing spend in the short to medium term. RE sponsor the Connacht Rugby team and also provide some of the transport to Munster as well as advertising at a number of rugby grounds.
Aer Arann ends Galway sponsor link | Irish Examiner
Still, on wards and upwards.
JAS
Another aircraft to serve the Aer Lingus Regional brand and two new routes, Dublin to both Bristol and Aberdeen
Aer Arann/Aer Lingus extend franchise service - RTÉ News
And some cutting back with the ending of the sponsorship of the Galway County GAA football team. Hopefully they'll be able to keep up the marketing spend in the short to medium term. RE sponsor the Connacht Rugby team and also provide some of the transport to Munster as well as advertising at a number of rugby grounds.
Aer Arann ends Galway sponsor link | Irish Examiner
Still, on wards and upwards.
JAS
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Any update on Southend? Been quiet in this forum but a poster on the Luton thread a couple of days ago said RE management had confirmed to them LTN base was closing in march with GWY/WAT moving to SOU.
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No announements in relation to any changes to GWY or WAT routes have been made by RE Management and RE are selling seats beyond the end of March. Have heard through the grapevine that Southend Base will not start in March and will be delayed until June due to operational issues at Southend.
Aer Arann Management are staying very quiet.
5Q
Aer Arann Management are staying very quiet.
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Remember also that the current PSOs finish somewhere around July 20, 2011 if I recall correctly (plus/minus a couple of days). So *if* as seems plausible they are not renewed (or if only Donegal is renewed, another possible scenario), that frees up a couple of aircraft (currently operating GWY-DUB, NOC-DUB, SXL-DUB) which could start flying from Southend. Therefore deferring a major SEN base startup until after the end of the PSOs could make sense just from an aircraft-availability point of view.
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The Ltn flights WILL be moving to Southend, they will notify people of the change when it happens. With Flybe now operating NOC-EDI it will take away some of the GWY-EDI pax who have had nothing but cancellations and delays on the route. Only a matter of time until Flybe are operating GWY-LTN and WAT-LTN. Have heard that CityJet are in talks with WAT to operate th LTN route. These routes are very proftiable and likely to be snapped up by a proper airline.
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FRAMEX you're obviously not a big RE fan anyway!
Do Aer Arann even bother flying the NOC-DUB PSO anymore, any time I check the flight listings it seems to be cancelled - are they not obliged to fly it as part of their commitments to the government even if loads are very low. What incentive is there for people to ever book this flight when its cancelled more often than it runs?
If I was flying with Etihad from Dublin I would like the idea of connecting from Knock to save a long drive but it is far too big a risk with the amount of cancellations.
Any particular reasons behind the problems mentioned with the GWY - EDI flight? I used it quite regularly a few years ago and found it useful and busy at that time.
Do Aer Arann even bother flying the NOC-DUB PSO anymore, any time I check the flight listings it seems to be cancelled - are they not obliged to fly it as part of their commitments to the government even if loads are very low. What incentive is there for people to ever book this flight when its cancelled more often than it runs?
If I was flying with Etihad from Dublin I would like the idea of connecting from Knock to save a long drive but it is far too big a risk with the amount of cancellations.
Any particular reasons behind the problems mentioned with the GWY - EDI flight? I used it quite regularly a few years ago and found it useful and busy at that time.