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Normandy is a good spot, I must admit. (buzz was flying on Caen and Rouen isn't it ?)
But it really seems crazy to start after summer, launch such a route for the winter season.
Can they afford to lose so much money ? make such investment ?
Daily flight I presume ?
So we have one winner.
DOL and WX will be happy, no route break in Normandy, waiting to come back next summer just for profit.
Where else to go skiing ?
But it really seems crazy to start after summer, launch such a route for the winter season.
Can they afford to lose so much money ? make such investment ?
Daily flight I presume ?
So we have one winner.
DOL and WX will be happy, no route break in Normandy, waiting to come back next summer just for profit.
Where else to go skiing ?
chickairways
So you would suggest that pax who currently fly DOL-LCY would switch to CFR-SEN for the winter at, presumably, lower fares than Cityjet and then switch back come next summer? I would suggest if they found the CFR-SEN service to be good value, at better frequencies and giving swift access to London they would likely stay with it, apart from those in the very limited Deauville catchment itself. I would say that much of the DOL-LCY market is there for the taking by a decent LoCo operating out of CFR so Cityjet is the more likely loser.
You also seem to assume it would be Aer Arann who operated the route. As far as I know they've never mentioned CFR in any of their statements and the only one who has said it has definite plans for the route is JOIN Regional Airlines.
So you would suggest that pax who currently fly DOL-LCY would switch to CFR-SEN for the winter at, presumably, lower fares than Cityjet and then switch back come next summer? I would suggest if they found the CFR-SEN service to be good value, at better frequencies and giving swift access to London they would likely stay with it, apart from those in the very limited Deauville catchment itself. I would say that much of the DOL-LCY market is there for the taking by a decent LoCo operating out of CFR so Cityjet is the more likely loser.
You also seem to assume it would be Aer Arann who operated the route. As far as I know they've never mentioned CFR in any of their statements and the only one who has said it has definite plans for the route is JOIN Regional Airlines.
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Problem is, Aer Arann can't afford lavish marketing. SEN needs q big boy operator to take the coat punch ny proving the airports worth and then smaller airlines line Arqnn can piggy back off that success much easier.
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Cityjet are year round at Deauville now aren't they? IIRC they stopped last October, ran some Christmas/New Year flights then went into regular operation again from January, which if successful I guess would also operate in Nov/Dec this year
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The article I read on Deauville flights said that they would be run in addition to the Cityjet flights and whilst the airline had not been revealed, the airport had and was southend.
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Can anyone give me a rough idea of where Aer Arann's aircraft are based? There seems to be a 42 at the Isle of Man, Donegal and Galway, with 72's at Dublin and Galway.
Am I right in thinking there are aircraft based in Waterford, if so what do the aircraft do on Tuesday and Wednesday as the Southend is ran from Galway via Waterford? Finally, where is the Dornier currently at?
Thanks a lot
Am I right in thinking there are aircraft based in Waterford, if so what do the aircraft do on Tuesday and Wednesday as the Southend is ran from Galway via Waterford? Finally, where is the Dornier currently at?
Thanks a lot
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Based:
Not sure if there is a set basing roster but last week saw the following based overnight from Mon - Thurs:
IOM:
AT42 (1 x Mo,Tu,We,Th)
CFN:
1 x AT42 (Mo,We)
WAT:
1 x AT42 (We,Th)
GWY:
AT42 (2 x Mo || 1 x Tu,We,Th)
AT72 (1 x Mo,Tu,We || 2 x Th)
ORK:
AT72 (2 x Mo,Tu,We,Th)
SNN:
1 x AT72 (Mo,Tu,We,Th)
DUB:
1 x AT42 (Tu)
4 x AT72 (Mo,Tu,We,Th)
NOC:
1 x D328 (Mo,Tu,We)
IOM:
AT42 (1 x Mo,Tu,We,Th)
CFN:
1 x AT42 (Mo,We)
WAT:
1 x AT42 (We,Th)
GWY:
AT42 (2 x Mo || 1 x Tu,We,Th)
AT72 (1 x Mo,Tu,We || 2 x Th)
ORK:
AT72 (2 x Mo,Tu,We,Th)
SNN:
1 x AT72 (Mo,Tu,We,Th)
DUB:
1 x AT42 (Tu)
4 x AT72 (Mo,Tu,We,Th)
NOC:
1 x D328 (Mo,Tu,We)
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Will Galway drop to one based plane when the Dublin route finishes up in July? Their schedule seems to suggest that they will still have two, but one will be seriously underworked.
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The future of Waterford Airport has being confirmed and it will not close.
Waterford Today - Minister Varadkar's department's comment on Waterford Airport
Where are they getting the extra money from? Will NOC and KIR get less as a result?
Waterford Today - Minister Varadkar's department's comment on Waterford Airport
Where are they getting the extra money from? Will NOC and KIR get less as a result?
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RE Chairman Padraig O Ceidigh was interviewed on radio today:
Restructure Irish air travel - Cidigh - RT News
He mainly spoke about CFN PSO as thats likely to be the only new tender next year (not clear KIR will tender will go ahead). Said SEN was a big opportunity and Stobart were a solid company to back them, looking at routes between Ireland, UK and Europe.
But on GWY he as much as said he agrees GWY will not survive. With PSO ending in 2 months that leaves a lot of questions for RE.
Restructure Irish air travel - Cidigh - RT News
He mainly spoke about CFN PSO as thats likely to be the only new tender next year (not clear KIR will tender will go ahead). Said SEN was a big opportunity and Stobart were a solid company to back them, looking at routes between Ireland, UK and Europe.
But on GWY he as much as said he agrees GWY will not survive. With PSO ending in 2 months that leaves a lot of questions for RE.
Air travel in Ireland has to be restructured due to financial constraints, according to Padraig Ó Céidigh, the chairperson and largest shareholder of Aer Arann.
This has implications for regional airports around the country and the amount of funding made available from central government. Speaking on Adhmhaidin on RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta this morning, Ó Céidigh said that some airports have a stronger case than others, and compared airports in Donegal and Galway.
He believes that the connection between Donegal regional airport and Dublin, and the funding provided is essential, because travel between both places can be difficult.
However, motorway and train connections between Galway, and the close proximity of Shannon airport to Galway airport means that Galway's case for funding was not as strong, he said. Passenger numbers on the Aer Arann Galway-Dublin route, in the last three years has decreased by two thirds.
This has implications for regional airports around the country and the amount of funding made available from central government. Speaking on Adhmhaidin on RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta this morning, Ó Céidigh said that some airports have a stronger case than others, and compared airports in Donegal and Galway.
He believes that the connection between Donegal regional airport and Dublin, and the funding provided is essential, because travel between both places can be difficult.
However, motorway and train connections between Galway, and the close proximity of Shannon airport to Galway airport means that Galway's case for funding was not as strong, he said. Passenger numbers on the Aer Arann Galway-Dublin route, in the last three years has decreased by two thirds.
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(not clear KIR tender will go ahead).
Listed a 2 x Return flights a day. Best of luck to them.
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KIR
Was POC referring to Aer Arann tendering for the route ?
Will Ryanair kiss up a fuss that PSO is being offered on a route that they are operating on a commerical basis ? - I could see Ryanair pulling a Cork-Dublin and operate the route at the same times to take the pax.
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Will Ryanair kiss up a fuss that PSO is being offered on a route that they are operating on a commerical basis ? - I could see Ryanair pulling a Cork-Dublin and operate the route at the same times to take the pax.
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Can't see how a Cork-Dublin by FR would affect the KIR-Dub.
Sure wasn't there 10+ daily flights on ORK-DUB at one time... and it had no effect on KIR who also had 3 daily.
Remember KIR stretches from Dingle, Tralee, Listowel etc. and ORK is a long way from there. I thinks Kerry people will support Aer Arann on a KIR-DUB and would not drive past Farranfore on the way to ORK to catch a ORK DUB with Ryanair.
Also... which is am important point ... the Kerry people have have the 'Ryanair Experience' on the short trip to Dublin for the last few years and the people (especially business people) yearn for the old days of having RE back on the route.
Can't see how a Cork-Dublin by FR would affect the KIR-Dub.
Sure wasn't there 10+ daily flights on ORK-DUB at one time... and it had no effect on KIR who also had 3 daily.
Remember KIR stretches from Dingle, Tralee, Listowel etc. and ORK is a long way from there. I thinks Kerry people will support Aer Arann on a KIR-DUB and would not drive past Farranfore on the way to ORK to catch a ORK DUB with Ryanair.
Also... which is am important point ... the Kerry people have have the 'Ryanair Experience' on the short trip to Dublin for the last few years and the people (especially business people) yearn for the old days of having RE back on the route.
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I think RET was suggesting that Ryanair might go head to head with RE from Kerry on timings, with a morning and evening service rather than a single return flight. Nobody would go from Kerry to Cork to go to Dublin.
Personally, if they don't get the PSO, I think Ryanair will just pull their route and leave Aer Arann or whoever to it.
Personally, if they don't get the PSO, I think Ryanair will just pull their route and leave Aer Arann or whoever to it.
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And that's where the confusion is as PSO rules say the subsidy is payable where there is no commercial operation on a route. Kerry is still being tendered for the next round but running a PSO alongside Ryanair would surely create a competition issue?
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Is that the case? Not sure if ANY type of service disqualifies a route from getting PSO subsidies. Usually, PSO tenders stipulate that weekday returns must be offered as the main idea behind PSOs is to allow business people to get to the capital for a day or to make decent connections. If an airline offers, say, three flights a week at noon-time on a PSO route, I don't think that this can disqualify the route from getting a PSO grant. In that sense, Ryanair does not offer a truly competing service on KIR-DUB.