Aer Arann

[Papa2Charlie]

On-Going Delays / Cancellations

Hey all,

Anyone know why RE are still delaying and cancelling flights? The weather issues seem to have cleared now and with several days of no snow etc., I would've thought they'd be able to recover the aircraft to the correct stations....extract from the site below...

The following flights scheduled for Tuesday December 28th have been cancelled:
FlightRouteRE220Knock to DublinRE236Galway to DublinRE237Dublin to GalwayRE227Dublin to KnockRE288City of Derry to Dublin RE287Dublin to City of Derry
The following flights scheduled for Wednesday December 29th have been cancelled:
FlightRouteRE220Knock to DublinRE211Dublin to Sligo
The following flights scheduled for Wednesday December 29th have been delayed:
FlightRouteRE801Isle of Man to London City. New departure time: 10:25. Check-in closes at 09:45RE802London City to Isle of Man. New departure time:12:15. Check-in closes at 11:30RE374Isle of Man to Dublin. New departure time: 13:00. Check-in closes at 12:00RE212Sligo to Dublin. New departure time 10:20. Check-in closes at 09:45

All the best,

P2C.

[IOMspotter]

We were told crew shortage was the problem

[Papa2Charlie]

That's going to get people a little hot under the collar. I guess if there's an overall crew shortage, they'll keep the Aer Lingus Regional flights going due to what I can only imagine are severe penalties for not completing sectors, meaning the Aer Arann branded flights suffer.

Is this all rostering related or is it a genuine shortage of cabin crew?? I seem to remember them taking on some more cabin crew just after they exited examinership.

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by Ian Brooks

EI-SLN is in Manchester today which I believe has been stored and is a Contactors machine and is all white could this be it

EI-SLN has been leased by Aer Arran from Air Contractors. Entered service 18 December.

Originally Posted by IOMspotter

I dunno how they are doing in Ireland but Their DUB IOM on the 42 has been absolute rubbish lately with one of the two daily rotations either badly delayed or canx. The LCY is reasonably good but took its share of snow closures. The Do328 seems to be good on the route.

I began using the IOM service when it first started in early 2009 and for the first 9 months or so it was not a bad service. The aircrafts were clean, realiable and comfortable. RE started to use the much older ATR72 and sometime ATR42 aircraft on the route in late 2009/early 2010. Since then the service has become less and less reliable and comfortable. Onboard the cabins are in desperate need of some TLC. Faulty lights, broken seats, missing arm rests, dirty cabin floors and toliets have become a regular feature on these older aircraft. The crew have gone from friendly and welcoming to miserable and at times rude. I know that the company has had financial troubles recently, so to a point a lack of interest in there work is understanding.

I was about to give up on the LCY route and switch to the LGW flight. When RE leased the D328. I flew about half a dozen times on the LCY route when it was operated bythe D328.

Every flight has departed and arrived on time or early.

On board there has been a noticeable improvement in the service, the Scot Airways crew are professional, attentive and friendly. The D328 cabin is clean and bright. The seating is far more comfortable than the ATR's.

Sadly the lease came to a end on the 24th December. So it looks like it is back to the ATR's. Does anyone know if the flight is being operated by a 42 or 72??.

[sawtooth]

NOC PSO has hardly operated at all in the month of Dec, shocking service, why would anyone book again on that record. Other flights operated in and out of NOC fine and RE still had ATRs in the air elswhere through the bad weather.

They are insulting passengers with the weather excuses, a balmy clear 10c for the last 3 days. That's REs default excuse at NOC when the don't have aircraft positioned, it's clear they are over streatched. What happened to Logan air who had been operating NOC contract very well for the last 6 months? Do RE still pocket Government money for all those no-shows?

[jijpc]

Fully agree with BAladdy re IOM-LCY route over recent months. The Scot Do328 was reliable and quick invariably arriving ahead of schedule, and the crew were very friendly and welcoming. Many in the IOM business community would much prefer to fly to or from LCY however the lamentable relaibility has destroyed confidence in the service and so people are increasingly using FlyBe to LGW.

P2C - I know that LCY had weather problems today and RE801 and RE802 were cancelled. What was perhaps more perplexing was that RE374 eventually left in mid afternoon (around 1500 I believe) however I believe it arrived more or less on schedule this morning. DUB departures screen showed that it departed at 0944. Was this due to technical problems?

[ryan2000]

RE cancellations

I wonder is it to do with the lack of business orientated travel at this time of the year. I know that when Aer Arann operated 7 flights a day l
on ORK DUB, they would reduce frequency during the Christmas Holidays which was understandable given that business and commerce shuts down for almost 2 weeks.

[airnoc]

Hi A question for Aer Arran?
Is the P.S.O. from NOC to Dub finish or not

[Chitty]

does eny one know when the southend flights are going to be on sale

[sawtooth]

RE/Stobart starting Carlisle - Southend ATR72 service according to local news paper with more routes planned:

News & Star | News | Carlisle airport bid sees 200,000 passengers by 2025

[22/04]

I fear for Arran's future if this isthe way they are going/

Does anyone think Carlisle-SEN would work?

Can't see it myself

[LGS6753]

Tail wagging the dog

Stobart seem to be making the running in the future of Aer Arran, despite lack of aviation knowledge and experience. They look as though they are insisting on RE making several catastrophic decisions:

1. Abandon most profitable routes (LTN-WAT & LTN-GWY).
2. Move London operations to an unproved location with restricted catchment area.
3. Despite limited resources, try to carve out a new market from SEN during a recession.
4. Despite limited resources, try to carve out a new market from Carlisle during a recession.
5. Despite limited resources and no historic record of success, link 3 and 4 together.

This is either the ultimate ego-trip by Stobart's board, or they are barking mad, or they have discovered some magic formula that has evaded the rest of the industry hitherto.

My bet is that RE won't last 12 months if they get their way.

[Just a spotter]

I suspect (it's only a hunch, nothing to back it up) that the majority of current pax aren't staying the the Luton area, so if the connections to the London public transport infrastructure are there, are offered at a reasonable price and are quick and reliable enough, coupled with competitive flight prices then, IMHO, the pax will travel through the airport.

Personally, I look at prices to all London airports + onward costs into the city when I'm travelling, unless I've got a connecting flight or am time constrained. So, maybe, if the price is right, the service is acceptable and the connections offer value then it'll work. It not, it won't.

If RE offer good fares from the Irish regional airports to SEN, then they could generate business. Starting intra-Britain routes will open them to new markets and having a base is a start.

JAS

[EI-BUD]

Does anyone think Carlisle-SEN would work?

22/04- I would also question the viability of this route. Firstly if we take the general London area which Southend will competing for we have to ask what airlines have tried and ended London routes to the regions?

Easyjet are axing Stansted Newcastle as number and hence yield declining. The same airline couldnt make Liverpool Luton work, though I realise shorter distance.

Bmi axed their long standing Teesside Heathrow route and were not even interested in maintaining and daily flight doing a night stop ie offering Morning to London and return back to MME late at night.

Again shorter route but VLM axed Manchester London City. So my overall feeling is that this route coupled with being between 2 new airports, offered by a carrier who would not be well known or associated with these 2 areas will not make the break.

My feeling is that Southend could do ok and there is a large population locally but CRITICALLY I feel that the airport needs an airline that is well know both at home (to attract local residents and business travellers) and significantly an airline well enough known in the respective areas that the airport will serve.

To my mind this is the key, the marketing of the airport. Who in France Germany Italy etc who is checking for flights to the London area will think or know to check Aer Arann? Furthermore, will Southend become too reliant on the local population to support the airport, and given that the London area is hotly contested with a mix of operators both Loco and full service airlines the locals still will have a good choice.

In summary I suppose what I am saying is how can Aer Arann afford to market its services in a strong way to drive the brand and this new airport at their destinations that is cost effective?


EI-BUD

[Falcon666]

Just a spotter.
Well sometimes hunches are correct but i suspect in this case the jury is still out.
The first question i would ask is-
Why have Aer Arran still not added the SEN flights on their web site and removed the LTN flights.
It is now January and some friends of mine have taken the cynical view that because the LTN routes are profitable then lets leave people to book them unaware that they may change in less than three months time.
There is a large Irish community in Luton that frequent these routes and have helped build up the success of them.
Only time will tell what happens but i suspect another airline will step in from LTN and the only loser i can envisage is Aer Arran.

We shall see

[Chitty]

aer arann well be flighing from southend to carlisle airport
News & Star | News | Carlisle airport bid sees 200,000 passengers by 2025

[RooCat]

it would be more sustainable if there was some kind of onward connection. If Stobart had been more patient and let Aer Arran keep their Luton operation in place, while trying to attract other carriers and build some infrastructure, then maybe they could start to consolidate before the olympics. However, there is very little strategy in this move, which is not in the best interests of Aer Arran and Tinkler et al is taking advantage of a vulnerable company.
Obviously there were more obvious routes for Southend and Carlisle to start off with but by the sounds of things, the Stobart group know something that maybe we all don't
Happy New Year!RC

[Topcover]

So far, there has been no comment from Aer Arann to suggest that they will drop Luton in favour of Southend.

[LTNman]

It’s a done deal but they don’t want to reveal the news until the last minute in case it affects bookings and to stop any other airline launching an alternative Luton service which would take time to set up.

[BISH-BASH-BOSH]

What bollocks, if you are going to sell a route, the only thing that matters, is bums on seats period. In this economic climate you need to make a profit from day one not make a loss.