Aer Arann

[RE72]

RE

RE have 14 ATR's, Not all 72's. Fleet comprises of 5 ATR 42's and 9 ATR 72's. A further 10 ATR 72-500's are ordered for delivery over the next three years.

Im not sure of exact fleet figures per base, But bases are DUB, ORK, GWY. The Luton base has closed, however a new base is being formed at WAT from may.

The IOM base is only for 1 ATR72, which is being leased to EuroManx, with an RE crew.

So, From May, The only RE bases will be DUB, ORK, GWY, WAT & IOM.

However, aircraft overnight in CFN (Donegal), KIR & NOC for the provision of PSO's.

[en2r]

RE72

They base 2 ATR 72s and 1 ATR 42 at Cork

[mathers_wales_uk]

Finally, next month Aer Arann takes delivery of the first of 10 new 72 seater ATR72-500 series aircraft. 50% of these aircraft will be in our fleet in the next 12 months. The deal, which is worth over €150 million, is the single largest aircraft investment by a private Irish passenger airline and the third largest in Irish aviation history. The first aircraft is scheduled to operate on the Dublin-Cork route.’

This is a good investments by Aer Arann, but do you think this will make way for a new base for the airline or expansion on routes?

Be interested to hear your thoughts.

Cheers

[airvanman]

Maybe CWL? Is that what you wanna hear?

[en2r]

As far as I know they intend to phase out their ATR42 aircraft first. For example the first new aircraft will replace the sole ATR 42 at their Cork base. Beyond that there will be some form of expansion. However given how shortlived the Luton base was I don't think they will open another foreign base in the near future. I'd say aircraft will first be used to expand services at their major bases at Dublin, Cork and Galway, as well as possibly expanding their bases at Kerry, Waterford, Knock or Donegal. Opening a base at Cwl is a possibility in the medium to long term but I'd say it would just be to operate the flights to Dublin, Cork and Galway.

[mathers_wales_uk]

I'm interested in the future plans of Aer Arann and not looking for an answer as such, just if theres anyone with the knowledge or insider they may have heard something.

I like the airline, the staff are very approachable and usually have a laugh with them during the turnaround. One or two ex Air Wales flight deck too.

Too be perefectly honest i wouldn't think they'd want to base an A/C here with it's current facilities, i believe that when the next stage of the development at CWL is complete with an extended walkway and direct access to all stands except for one will be the ideal time for the airline if any.


An increase in CWL services would be very good and possibly a new route operating on a 'W' pattern.

[EI-BUD]

Expansion at Aer Arann

Although I have no inside information I can see AerArann looking at a number of routes to the UK from Dublin. What does anyone think of the following : Humberside( FR had about 50pax +per flight last year, wasnt viable with 738)

Coventry, surely some of the Midlands destined traffic would prefer Coventry over EMA or BHX maybe x2 per day ?

Manston , x2 per day. EUjet were achieveing ober 35 % load I have read and that would equate to 70 pax a day and with some effort by AerArann could be improved?

Dundee, AerArann were looking at this route years ago around the time that they axed Sheffield City but it came to nothing , I imagine the demand would exist?

Apart from that what about London Southend? Not so much as a London gateway but as a route to the Southend area?

I was looking over some old timetables from back as far as 1980s and noticed the number of dropped routes Plymouth, Humberside, Guernsey, Swansea, Manston, Coventry, Since many of these routes have disappeared many other markets have exploded in volume terms and Aer Arann certainly could do ok to look at some of them .. what does anyone else think?

What about a daily Donegal/Luton flight? Kerry/Belfast? and Derry/Edinburgh ??

There is huge business on Belfast to many UK airports eg EDI, and a proportion of it is IMO destined for Derry area or Donegal ? Does anyone see an opportunity for Aer Arann?

[EMA01]

Have Aer Arran ever considered EMA.. bmibaby used to fly to Cork and Knock from EMA but the pax for there aircraft wasnt right but Aer Arran's aircraft type would be good. It would be good for them as Birmingham I would have thought would be too big for them and EMA has room for expansion!

EMA01

[airhumberside]

FR got about 5000 passengers a month on HUY-DUB with the weekend flights being fairly full - it was the midweek flights which were almost empty. I too agree HUY-DUB would be perfect for RE but cant help but feel if Aer Arann were going to do it they would have done so by now

[Expressflight]

EI-BUD

By coincidence I spoke with Aer Arann earlier this week concerning SEN.

They don't have any current plans for SEN operations as they already have new routes opening elsewhere and increased frequencies on existing routes. Operationally there isn't currently sufficient capacity to consider SEN at the moment it seems.

I know they have looked at SEN about 18 months ago and, at that time, they did see it as a London gateway (not just for Southend's own catchment area) for routes to northern France and the Benelux countries.

I would have thought the time might be right for SEN's new MD to make a fresh approach with a view to coming up with a financial deal (and I'm sure Aer Arann will be looking for substantial 'incentives') that might result in the commencement of services in the autumn or spring 2008.

[RE72]

EI-BUD

Your route suggestions, would be exactly what i thought would be ideal for RE.

Other services:

Carlisle when its developed.

Durham Tees Valley, is operating at about 55% for FR, potential there for FR to drop the route and RE to jump in.

PIK-SNN is runnig at 53% for FR, another possibility!!!

[SeamusCVT]

As a CVT user, EI-BUD, I can only hope that at the very least the 2nd of your possibilities comes to fruition. My only concern, is that with currently 3 or 4 daily flights from BHX to DUB with Ryanair and Aer Lingus, as well as 3 daily flights with Ryanair from East Midlands, will the Midlands- Dublin Market suffer from over capacity should Aer Arran consider a CVT link?

Coventry Airport chiefs did comment several months back about a possible link to the west of Ireland...maybe Galway could be a possibility? Although that would then be in competition with Flybe from BHX.

Can only wish...

[EI-BUD]

Replies

Thanks everyone for the positive feedback re my ideas for Aer Arann, its certainly nice to get it as all to often one gets shot down from high flight on here with big ideas!!!

I believe that Loganair wont stick at the Derry Glasgow route in the long run as Ryanair are in on the act on the LDY PIK route . If hypotethically LC/BA pulled it where would that leave the PSO LDY DUB route would it got the same way as DUB NOC and pass over to RE??

If so the possibilities would look promising for RE at LDY ???
What does anyone else think or does anyone know how LC is fairing on LDY GLA since FR arrived into that market?

Hope everyone has a very happy easter!
EI BUD

[mathers_wales_uk]

Spoke to an Aer Arann capt yesterday during turnaround at CWL, he told me that the new 10 aircraft on order are actually larger than the ATR72's with extra seats.

Good news for them then, will they be getting rid of some of the 42's first or will they just be expanding the fleet?

Seem to be a lot of poblem at the moment with the AT4 going overweight, it was overweight ORK-CWL where passengers had to be refused travel and it was just underweight cwl-ork by 48KG.

[DONTTELLTHEPAX]

I wonder if Ryanair will add any new routes to fight this expansion.
http://www.traveldailynews.com/new.a...category_id=53

[RE72]

LDY - FEB 2007 FIGURES

Well LDY - PIK is operating at approx 60% for FR, thats based on 100% = 141 PAX, as the A/C is limited to 141 at LDY.

LDY - GLA is operating at about 40%, down from about 63% in FEB 2006.

So, if Loganair pullout, which is a possibility, RE will inevitably take up the PSO. It will also mean RE may relaunch the LDY - MAN and LDY - BHX services it dropped the last time it lost the PSO on the LDY - DUB route.

As mentioned, ORK - EMA would be an excellent choice for RE, as well as ORK - GLA and maybe ORK - CVT

[airhumberside]

Im not sure how wise it would be for RE to restart LDY-MAN/BHX. Since they were last on those routes FR have started LDY-LPL/EMA

[OltonPete]

Ldy-bhx

I do not know anything about the LDY - MAN route but BHX was
poor in respect of average pax per flight.

It often averaged below 20 and it was no surprise when it was pulled especially compared to BHX - GWY which often averaged 40 plus in summer and 30 plus in winter and still got pulled although yields
apparently were not brilliant (in winter).

I am not too sure how flybe are performing on GWY but it certainly
caught a few off guard when BHX - Waterford was announced -
people were expecting Coventry to get a new route.

EMA-ORK - surely only a matter of time that FR take the plunge?

LDY-BHX again - if it was my money, then no way!

OP

[EIDW Spotter]

RE Expansion

Taken from ABTN

Aer Arann, the Dublin-based Irish regional carrier, has unveiled several new routes and service upgrades.

New from Monday 14 May is a six days per week (except Saturday) service from Waterford to Birmingham with a flight time of 90 minutes. On the same day flights are introduced on a four-day week basis between Manchester and Sligo (Monday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday).

Bristol gets two new routes, to Nantes twice weekly from Saturday 28 April (plus Tuesday) and to Galway from 25 June, operating four days a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday).

Aer Arann will launch a Newcastle to Galway service also on 25 June. The flight will operate four days per week (Monday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday) with a flying time of 1hr 25m. The airline is also launching a Cardiff to Nantes service from 23 June.

Aer Arann carried 1.15m passengers last year and is an exclusive ATR turboprop operator with five 50-seat ATR42s and nine 66-seat ATR72s

[ryan2000]

Many of these routes were already announced. It seems airlines now rehash new route announcements over and over again.
Budget's Cork Corfu charter was recently hailed as a new route in the local media even though it was in their 2007 brochure when it was launched last July.
On the positive side there are now 3 airlnes showing a very strong interest in operating direct US services from Cork in 2008. The CAA has now to decide which one is most likely to succeed before it comes up with the neccessary marketing support.
Let's hope those advocating direct flights will support them if they materialise. Cork people have been driving to SNN for generations to travel to US and may continue to do so in order to save a few dollars for the shopping in Manhatten. I can hear the lame excuses already. Sorry for straying off thread