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rutankrd, I guess you're not a fan of the Manchester centric Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce then because Christian Spence, Head of Policy and Research at the Chamber, said:
"Whilst we remain neutral in the debate of where additional runway capacity in the South East should be delivered, it is clear that expansion needs to take place and we continue to push for a speedy decision from government in responding to the Davies Commission"
No objections then. And no mention of MAN.
"Whilst we remain neutral in the debate of where additional runway capacity in the South East should be delivered, it is clear that expansion needs to take place and we continue to push for a speedy decision from government in responding to the Davies Commission"
No objections then. And no mention of MAN.
well M gove cannot be a disinterested party as his constituency Surrey Heath (Camberley and Environs) has a huge degree of interest in LHR with a great number of residents working there or employed by Big Airways .
Of course now hes revealed as Mr beans evil twin there is no telling what he will do since he changed sides on the EU referendum and that was a bigger deal than LHR expansion which he has indicated he favours.
As to airlines moving to LHR from other London airports - Easy maybe for a few business type flights by Ryanair would never move as its just to pricey, same with the others. Also much of the 'new capcity' will in practice be taken up in turning LHR back intoa sustainable operation , ie one that doesn't fall to pieces with any delay due to lack of capacity reserve. Also I can see the owners focus being on more Long haul flights and more high value premium customers. I dont think they want the airport full of drunken hen party groups and blue rinse pensioners of Malta for a cheap winter hol
Of course now hes revealed as Mr beans evil twin there is no telling what he will do since he changed sides on the EU referendum and that was a bigger deal than LHR expansion which he has indicated he favours.
As to airlines moving to LHR from other London airports - Easy maybe for a few business type flights by Ryanair would never move as its just to pricey, same with the others. Also much of the 'new capcity' will in practice be taken up in turning LHR back intoa sustainable operation , ie one that doesn't fall to pieces with any delay due to lack of capacity reserve. Also I can see the owners focus being on more Long haul flights and more high value premium customers. I dont think they want the airport full of drunken hen party groups and blue rinse pensioners of Malta for a cheap winter hol
So the EEF freight will arrive by road to be shipped from LHR and vv. Not clogging up any roads with trucks, as the A4 road is to be moved and the North/South rd at the West of the airport. JHK has visited the lorry parks and cannot find an answer at this time. Oh the M25 needs to be widened for lorries using the steeper gradients of the tunnel.
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Another industry association in support of Heathrow expansion
UK's North East England Chamber of Commerce (NEECoC) stated (20-Jul-2016) it "firmly" believes the government will expand London Heathrow Airport because it is "the only logical decision – the question is how much UK competitiveness will be damaged by the repeated delays in reaching that point". NEECoC continued: "North East exporters play a vital role in the national economy. They need access to global markets and that has to come in large part via the UK’s hub airport. One thing we hope to see after the decision to leave the EU is the strengthening of trade links right around the globe. Businesses can only benefit from that if they can actually get there"
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I don't know about lorry crawler lanes but (as has been remarked on here before) the plummet from the M4-eastbound-to-M25-southbound overbridge down into the tunnel sounds like it could be a lot of fun. 
T&N thanks for your authorative assessment. The 3rd runway (to remain flat and no ski jump take offs) requires a tunnel for the M25. Hence travelling north on the M25 leaving the tunnel on the up gradient the trucks will continue their ascent over the current M4. It is proposed on such short steep gradients a crawler lane maybe required, though I suspect in the peak hours most traffic will be stationary. A tunnel also requires an alternative route so hazchem avoid the tunnel. What right does private company have to ask for a motorway, the A4, and a secondary road north/south to be moved for their profit?
Druk, thanks for your input on the other traffic flow.
Druk, thanks for your input on the other traffic flow.
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What right does private company have to ask for a motorway, the A4, and a secondary road north/south to be moved for their profit?
Rather than a negative, I reckon the M25/M4 junction improvements are a great result.
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As Druk explains, no change to M4/M25, other than a tunnel for M25 where the gradient will be enhanced to cross the M4. Also the A4 is moved and the land it occupied "given to LHR" or are they to pay the actual sq metre/yard rate for this valuable piece of real estate?
The HS2 will compensate landowners, LHR have not offered to pay for road alterations en masse, too expensive.
As Druk explains, no change to M4/M25, other than a tunnel for M25 where the gradient will be enhanced to cross the M4. Also the A4 is moved and the land it occupied "given to LHR" or are they to pay the actual sq metre/yard rate for this valuable piece of real estate?
The HS2 will compensate landowners, LHR have not offered to pay for road alterations en masse, too expensive.
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Council leaders tell Government – Make a bold decision, expand Heathrow
Local councils from around the UK have become the latest group to join the growing number of voices calling on the Government to be bold and back expansion at Heathrow to benefit the whole of the country.
The Leaders of 34 councils, including Oxfordshire, Harrow, Newcastle, Neath Port Talbot and Glasgow have all signed a letter to the Secretary of State for Transport, Patrick McLoughlin, urging the Government to make the right choice for the whole of Britain and expand Heathrow.
In the letter they say that in these uncertain economic times following the vote to leave the EU, investment in infrastructure is even more important to support growth across the country. They say a ‘green light’ for expansion at Heathrow would create skilled jobs and provide an economic boost to their local economy. They say that Heathrow as the national hub should be able to build on the success of Britain’s network of airports, helping to connect local exporters to growing markets overseas.
Chief Executive of Heathrow, John Holland-Kaye, said: “Council leaders from across the country recognise expansion at Heathrow will benefit their local economies by creating skilled jobs and connecting exporters to growing markets overseas. Their support is further evidence that the next Prime Minister has the opportunity to make the right choice in the whole of Britain’s interest by expanding Heathrow.”
Expansion of Heathrow is already backed by business, trade unions, politicians and airlines as the best solution to Britain’s aviation capacity crunch. Supporters include the CBI, Federation of Small Businesses, chambers of commerce across the country, Unite, the GMB, 37 British airports and airlines such as easyJet, which plans to operate from an expanded Heathrow. A large proportion of the community local to Heathrow also supports expansion.
Recent polling by ComRes shows that two thirds of MPs think greenlighting Heathrow expansion will strengthen Britain’s economy. MPs also ranked Heathrow expansion as the top infrastructure project for spreading growth across Britain – ahead of projects like HS2, HS3 and notably with Gatwick expansion last (Heathrow 41% vs Gatwick 3%).
The Leaders of 34 councils, including Oxfordshire, Harrow, Newcastle, Neath Port Talbot and Glasgow have all signed a letter to the Secretary of State for Transport, Patrick McLoughlin, urging the Government to make the right choice for the whole of Britain and expand Heathrow.
In the letter they say that in these uncertain economic times following the vote to leave the EU, investment in infrastructure is even more important to support growth across the country. They say a ‘green light’ for expansion at Heathrow would create skilled jobs and provide an economic boost to their local economy. They say that Heathrow as the national hub should be able to build on the success of Britain’s network of airports, helping to connect local exporters to growing markets overseas.
Chief Executive of Heathrow, John Holland-Kaye, said: “Council leaders from across the country recognise expansion at Heathrow will benefit their local economies by creating skilled jobs and connecting exporters to growing markets overseas. Their support is further evidence that the next Prime Minister has the opportunity to make the right choice in the whole of Britain’s interest by expanding Heathrow.”
Expansion of Heathrow is already backed by business, trade unions, politicians and airlines as the best solution to Britain’s aviation capacity crunch. Supporters include the CBI, Federation of Small Businesses, chambers of commerce across the country, Unite, the GMB, 37 British airports and airlines such as easyJet, which plans to operate from an expanded Heathrow. A large proportion of the community local to Heathrow also supports expansion.
Recent polling by ComRes shows that two thirds of MPs think greenlighting Heathrow expansion will strengthen Britain’s economy. MPs also ranked Heathrow expansion as the top infrastructure project for spreading growth across Britain – ahead of projects like HS2, HS3 and notably with Gatwick expansion last (Heathrow 41% vs Gatwick 3%).
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But I'm sure the MAN Crew
Seriously though, the whole point about the LHR/R3 expansion issue is that it is a hugely divisive topic. Neither camp can lay claim to a monopoly of expert-backing on the issue. One could quite easily compile a list of influential opponents, as you know. The list you quote is representative of one side of the debate only. All regulars on here know that isn't the whole story. And curiously, that article neglects to reference COST once again. Hmmmm ... now I wonder why that might be?
I have to note too that a list of '34 councils' - some of these in the SE anyway - strikes me as rather underwhelming considering how many there are around the UK. Lots of abstentions there, I'd say!
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Nope.
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OK, please do as I've only seen MAG, GIP, BHX, Boris' TfL & local resident action groups publically oppose it.
I don't want to send you in to yet another round of previously repeated opinions so I'll just say that a monocular focus on costs isn't the whole picture and in my business dealings a true measure of projects is value - something you've not referenced. I also note the Northern Powerhouse is set for it's own £15bn of investments - I hope you'll continue to argue that it should come from private investors too.
Seriously though, One could quite easily compile a list of influential opponents
OK, please do as I've only seen MAG, GIP, BHX, Boris' TfL & local resident action groups publically oppose it.
curiously, that article neglects to reference COST once again. Hmmmm ... now I wonder why that might be?
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Where is the value in a multi billion pound subsidy to a private enterprise?
I say private, Heathrow Airport Holdings is partially state owned by Qatar (20%) Singapore (11.20%) and China (10%).
Why should the UK government subsidise a scheme to the tune of at least £15billion for the benefit of these government's investments?
I say private, Heathrow Airport Holdings is partially state owned by Qatar (20%) Singapore (11.20%) and China (10%).
Why should the UK government subsidise a scheme to the tune of at least £15billion for the benefit of these government's investments?
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I've only seen MAG, GIP, BHX, Boris' TfL & local resident action groups publically oppose it.
a monocular focus on costs isn't the whole picture
in my business dealings a true measure of projects is value - something you've not referenced
the Northern Powerhouse is set for it's own £15bn of investments
I hope you'll continue to argue that it should come from private investors too.
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Whatever the debate about cost and infrastructure etc, UKplc needs extra runway capacity in the UK. Unfortunately, neither Birmingham or Manchester are viable alternatives. Indeed, Manchester itself has precious little peak time slots available anyway.
Berkshire calling
I was only away for a day
Please review the infrastructure plans for the 3rd runway.
1. M25 to move.
2. A4 disappears to a new venue
3. Stanwell Moor Road, main north/south access to airport for freight and supplies, + passengers, diverted.
4. New terminal alongside 3rd runway, but called a satellite for T5 not a T6.(solely for use by BA?)
5. Rail from the West coast line
6. New upgrade for tube
7. New rail line to the south, 4 level crossings to London, and 4 to the south west, which will delay traffic with extra trains.
Please consider the variable thousands of new jobs in the area, that require housing, schools, healthcare etc.
1-7 all proposed by Heathrow, with no plans from NATS or CAA on flight routing over noise sensitive West Lonndon, nor Berkshire (home of the PM
)
Please review the infrastructure plans for the 3rd runway.
1. M25 to move.
2. A4 disappears to a new venue
3. Stanwell Moor Road, main north/south access to airport for freight and supplies, + passengers, diverted.
4. New terminal alongside 3rd runway, but called a satellite for T5 not a T6.(solely for use by BA?)
5. Rail from the West coast line
6. New upgrade for tube
7. New rail line to the south, 4 level crossings to London, and 4 to the south west, which will delay traffic with extra trains.
Please consider the variable thousands of new jobs in the area, that require housing, schools, healthcare etc.
1-7 all proposed by Heathrow, with no plans from NATS or CAA on flight routing over noise sensitive West Lonndon, nor Berkshire (home of the PM
)
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KFlybe suspends Heathrow plans over costs - ch-aviation.com
So that's now FlyBe also out of the running alongside Virgin and BA.
So could HAL or indeed our esteemed experts on here who support rw3 confirm who exactly is left to set up this domestic network as the suitors seem to be dropping like flies.
I assume HAL will now set up a domestic operation themselves insofar as they seem to to think domestic feed is paved with gold, they keep telling us airlines will be rushing to set this up, hang on its not exactly a tsunami at the minute is it.
BA. NO
Virgin, NO,
Last throw of the dice FlyBe.... er now NO.
So come on who is going to move in on Teeside LHR, Liverpool LHR, Exeter LHR etc ?
So that's now FlyBe also out of the running alongside Virgin and BA.
So could HAL or indeed our esteemed experts on here who support rw3 confirm who exactly is left to set up this domestic network as the suitors seem to be dropping like flies.
I assume HAL will now set up a domestic operation themselves insofar as they seem to to think domestic feed is paved with gold, they keep telling us airlines will be rushing to set this up, hang on its not exactly a tsunami at the minute is it.
BA. NO
Virgin, NO,
Last throw of the dice FlyBe.... er now NO.
So come on who is going to move in on Teeside LHR, Liverpool LHR, Exeter LHR etc ?
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