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Old 7th Jun 2016, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Bagso
A single documentary is one thing, a second three parter just before a decision on RW3 begins to look like none to subtle big brother propaganda.
I disagree - apart from a few passing references to Heathrow's inability to recover from disruption, there wasn't too much in the way of unsubtle expansion propaganda (unless that's coming up in Part 3). All in all, the documentary struck me as a reasonable, albeit somewhat dumbed-down snapshot of LHR operations.

That said, the script could have benefitted from some proofreading:

"Heathrow is home to 80 airlines"
. Really??

"The Dreamliner is one of the fastest commercial airplanes [sic] in the world, reaching a groundspeed of over 675 mph". Only if you can guarantee a tailwind.
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Heathrow expansion decision 'delayed until September' | Transport | News | London Evening Standard
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September 2020? Laughable but hardly surprising.
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[QUOTE=DaveReidUK;9401355]I disagree - apart from a few passing references to Heathrow's inability to recover from disruption, there wasn't too much in the way of unsubtle expansion propaganda"

I would suggest people count the number of times they state 'operating at capacity', 'full to capacity', 'busiest' etc. and any other buzz words to get an idea of how much propaganda there is in the program.
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"A decision will be made....

.......within a generation, we hope "

Regardless of a yes or a no I think we should put our allegiance to one side and at least agree, these guys could not run a cold bath !

Totally inept!
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Heathrow - Britain's Busiest Airport

Apols if my criticism was somewhat blinkered.

I think my disappointment centred on the usual dumbing down for the Xfactor generation.

There were some great air to air shots to be had but these were merely a glimpse. Perhaps following the brilliant work of ATC threading an A380 through the London TMA didn't cut the mustard ? Apologies if this was covered in part 1, I can only comment on Pt2 and what we were greeted with was the usual pastiche of human misery and misfortune.

We kicked off with "The Missing Child Round",always a good initial attention grabber seeing a Customer Service Assistant par excellence mobilise the troops to locate said child, this of course was followed by a hero moment when a fellow member of staff forensically tracked down said child 20 yards away.

"I was only doing my job" he said somewhat sheepishly as a microphone was forced down his throat, embarrassing for him (...and indeed us).

We moved onto an irate chap who turned up late and subsequently vented his spleen on camera, then some hilarity was introduced as we moved to the Bangladesh Biman check in area where a world record attempt at trying to cram 48,000 pieces of luggage onto a 777 "appeared" to be underway !

We of course need the "animal interest", so if the bird scarer was a bit dull, cue the introduction of the Alpaca, a somewhat amusing creature at the best of times made all the more so by watching Heathrow staff trying to manhandle 20 of the beast around the apron, as I mentioned previously the duller moments were interspersed with some superb imagery and of course the gap filling opportunity to reinforce those subliminal messages.

"full to bursting"
"an aircraft takes off or lands every 60 seconds"

Sadly for the Heathrow spin police I suspect this was lost on an audience more interested in what could go wrong next and of my goodness did it.....enter stage right the first flight of the BA787 Dreamliner to Kuala Lumpur.

Willie Walsh must have been apoplectic as some skilful editing coupled to a troublesome starter motor on a 3rd party fuel truck provided what can only be described as comedy gold.

With time ticking by and the narrator enforcing the need for "precision planning" and the criticality of an "on time departure", the somewhat chirpy cockney fuel truck driver breezily announces ......

"the fuel truck has broken down under the wing" or words to that effect.

As if this didn't sink in with the audience we then cut to the now somewhat jittery but ever smiling push back team leader....

"it seems the fuel truck won't start" he confirms in case we missed it earlier !

Fortunately the rapid response engineer is called and after much fiddling driver number 1 who reported the initial incident confirms that the rescue engineer

quote " ........doesn’t have a bloody clue"

Quite how the team leader managed a smile at this point is beyond me, as I suspect he wished he was in Kuala Lumpur himself, the camera consistently panned back and forth to him and his able assistant for a remedy that was out of their hands.

We now cut to some skilful editing with the pilot suggesting

"a lot of people have paid many 000s to be on this flight so we need to go on-time"

The narration of course becomes ever more sombre probably as dark as the mood at BA HQ by now !!!!

Eventually all ends well but for 10 minutes it was excruiatingly painful !

Maybe my propaganda observation was harsh, possibly more Dads Army than Big Brother !
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Willie Walsh must have been apoplectic as some skilful editing coupled to a troublesome starter motor on a 3rd party fuel truck provided what can only be described as comedy gold.
Not forgetting that they couldn't get the tug attached to the NLG and so had to summon a replacement for that, too.

I suspect that BA, having granted the programme makers permission to film the inaugural, didn't then have a veto over broadcasting the ensuing c*ck-up..
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Heathrow - Britain's Busiest Airport

Apols if my criticism was somewhat blinkered.

I think my disappointment centred on the usual dumbing down for the Xfactor generation................
My attention wandered back to my iPad after several references to "the Pakistan Air flight". Maybe the researcher got confused by the retro AP-BMG triple. Surely a new startup!
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 04:30
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Could not have summed it up any better Bagso.
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Old 10th Jun 2016, 08:17
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Whilst agreeing with all the criticisms generally, I wouldn't be too harsh in the strength of my condemnation of the program. It is always the same when you view (or read) an article on a subject about which you have a particularly strong knowledge. Remember, it has to be "good television". I think, overall, that for the masses this program fulfills that criteria. And for the rest of us, it sometimes makes us cringe. Would I watch it again ? Yes, I would.
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I agree kcockayne.

I've been involved in planning similar programs and the producers only want interesting visuals and sound bites that appeal to the Gogglebox viewers. Nothing too technical or detailed as it turns off the mass audience.
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anyone who let s a TV crew into their operation deserves everything they get

these people are only interested in making a splash - or even better a stink - they have absolutely zero interest in the truth or a fair representation
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 12:29
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Heathrow's third runway is 'rip off', says British Airways boss


I can't help thinking somebody in BA accounts was asked to scrutiny the figures from the airport commission.

I'm still incredulous that shareholders of HAL meekly accept the premise whilst their largest customer is aghast at the figures !
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 12:41
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I can't help thinking somebody in BA accounts was asked to scrutiny the figures from the airport commission.

I'm still incredulous that shareholders of HAL meekly accept the premise whilst their largest customer is aghast at the figures !
More likely their largest customer is sweating at the prospect of 'Fortress Heathrow' being opened up to more competition...

The figures for the project only start to become unreasonable if you accept without question the sums bandied about by TfL (i.e. the £20bn figure for transport infrastructure), which is pretty much TfL looking to mug any handy private sector developer into funding their transport wish list.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 12:51
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According to the Torygraph's helpful "Airport expansion - the options explained in 90 seconds" video:

Option 2 is a second runway at Heathrow
Good to see that the DT has its usual incisive grasp of the situation.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 13:26
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British Airways are to commence a service from Heathrow to Innsbruck, operating 4 weekly in Winter and 2 weekly in Summer.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 16:18
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I though LHR was so full we couldn't add flights ot impoortant export destinations in China & India - but we can go to Innsbruck???
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 16:56
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BA has plenty of spare slots and enough to swap about but short haul flights are different to long haul flights so the relevant slots are harder to find that's why your seeing more short haul expansion from BA at LHR as of late.
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Hmmmmm.... Prime Minister going October.

Runners / riders

Suspect that RW3 is now back at least another 12 months or indeed never.
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