HEATHROW
When this was first announced, there were no details of who was speaking apart from a reference to "Boris's right-hand man" (Daniel Moylan), but I see that most of the others have now been identified:
For the motion
Graham Brady: MP for Altrincham and Sale West
Jon Moulton: Chair of Better Capital and Founder Alchemy Partners
Tim Yeo: MP for South Suffolk and Chairman of the Energy and Climate Change Select Committee
Against the motion
Daniel Moylan: Mayor's adviser on aviation
John Stewart: Chair of HACAN ClearSkies Campaign group
AN Other
JM is Guernsey-based, so it looks like it's London vs the rest of the country.
I imagine will be, must see if there are any tickets still available.
For the motion
Graham Brady: MP for Altrincham and Sale West
Jon Moulton: Chair of Better Capital and Founder Alchemy Partners
Tim Yeo: MP for South Suffolk and Chairman of the Energy and Climate Change Select Committee
Against the motion
Daniel Moylan: Mayor's adviser on aviation
John Stewart: Chair of HACAN ClearSkies Campaign group
AN Other
JM is Guernsey-based, so it looks like it's London vs the rest of the country.
I am going, it may be fun.
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From end of March next year Bilbao is dropping from 2 daily to 1 and a daily flight to the popular high end business destination of Palma is being launched. 
From the same time US Airways are to launch a daily flight to Charlotte complimenting the current Philadelphia service. It is thought but not yet confirmed that it will replace the long running LGW service, although both remain on sale currently.
From the same time US Airways are to launch a daily flight to Charlotte complimenting the current Philadelphia service. It is thought but not yet confirmed that it will replace the long running LGW service, although both remain on sale currently.
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LHR debate
Is John Stewart the one who lives miles from LHR and nearer LCY?
Will Daniel Moylan will be listing ways of spending someone else's peoples money? Does he have a lot of experience in the aviation industry?
Tim Yeo should be interesting, he's changed his mind over the years so probably has an insight on both sides of the arguments, particularly because he is Chairman of the Energy and Climate Change Select Committee.
Could you please let us know how it goes, Skipness?
Will Daniel Moylan will be listing ways of spending someone else's peoples money? Does he have a lot of experience in the aviation industry?
Tim Yeo should be interesting, he's changed his mind over the years so probably has an insight on both sides of the arguments, particularly because he is Chairman of the Energy and Climate Change Select Committee.
Could you please let us know how it goes, Skipness?
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Is John Stewart the one who lives miles from LHR and nearer LCY?
But I think you're right in that Stockwell also gets LCY arriving traffic overhead, when on easterlies.
Not sure what your point is, though.
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No ifs, no buts, Heathrow must have a third runway.
Was an interesting evening all in.
'No ifs. No buts. Heathrow must have a third runway' | Spectator Events | The Spectator
Graham Brady MP (near MAN) opened for the motion, eight minutes on the points we all know and love, nothing electrifying.
Andy Slaughter MP was up next to speak against. Two key take outs were he was against the building of
and the "greed" of BAA and he wanted a quick review to look at other options.
Tim Yeo MP made a good case from a global and business perspective.
John Stewart was up next, quite the local campaigner he came across as an honest fellow with the best of intentions. He focussed again on other options like Stansted, essentially saying we should look at them again. He was however a disappointing speaker.
Jon Moulton (linked to Aurigny) gave the best speech IMHO, very pragmatic and touched on some key points about hub connectivity.
The biggest cheers and laughs were for Daniel Moylan, he works for Boris and frankly is a virtual clone. People loved him but he was the only one on the panel aside from an undecided John Stewart who maintained LHR would remain if Fantasy Island was built. Daniel stated his Island would be open 7 years after 2015. With a straight face.
Best point was from chairman Andrew Neil who said Crossrail being approved was a story he broke at the Sunday Times in 1986! Go compare that to seven years.
When the audience were invited to chip in, a chap from LGW plc had a big speech prepared about how LGW wasn't allowed to compete with LHR due to regulations. I don't know either...... He was stopped mid flow.
However there was almost nothing from a commercial side, on what the airlines thought and almost everyone mixed up airport capacity with hub connectivity (!) The politicians seemed intent as ever on spending money they would not have to raise themselves, there was little commercial savvy or market economics from most of the panel aside from Jon.
I did get the last question from the audience however. I congratulated Mr Moylan on a witty speech but pointed out tens of thousands of blue collar workers would unemployed when LHR closed. Indeed he didn't even try to come back on pretending LHR would remain to serve West London's high end leisure flights. No one bought that one first time round.
The motion was narrowly defeated alas, as much of the audience was pretty much well to do West London. I thought Andrew Neil would have been taller.....
'No ifs. No buts. Heathrow must have a third runway' | Spectator Events | The Spectator
Graham Brady MP (near MAN) opened for the motion, eight minutes on the points we all know and love, nothing electrifying.
Andy Slaughter MP was up next to speak against. Two key take outs were he was against the building of
Terminal 4
Tim Yeo MP made a good case from a global and business perspective.
John Stewart was up next, quite the local campaigner he came across as an honest fellow with the best of intentions. He focussed again on other options like Stansted, essentially saying we should look at them again. He was however a disappointing speaker.
Jon Moulton (linked to Aurigny) gave the best speech IMHO, very pragmatic and touched on some key points about hub connectivity.
The biggest cheers and laughs were for Daniel Moylan, he works for Boris and frankly is a virtual clone. People loved him but he was the only one on the panel aside from an undecided John Stewart who maintained LHR would remain if Fantasy Island was built. Daniel stated his Island would be open 7 years after 2015. With a straight face.
Best point was from chairman Andrew Neil who said Crossrail being approved was a story he broke at the Sunday Times in 1986! Go compare that to seven years.
When the audience were invited to chip in, a chap from LGW plc had a big speech prepared about how LGW wasn't allowed to compete with LHR due to regulations. I don't know either...... He was stopped mid flow.
However there was almost nothing from a commercial side, on what the airlines thought and almost everyone mixed up airport capacity with hub connectivity (!) The politicians seemed intent as ever on spending money they would not have to raise themselves, there was little commercial savvy or market economics from most of the panel aside from Jon.
I did get the last question from the audience however. I congratulated Mr Moylan on a witty speech but pointed out tens of thousands of blue collar workers would unemployed when LHR closed. Indeed he didn't even try to come back on pretending LHR would remain to serve West London's high end leisure flights. No one bought that one first time round.
The motion was narrowly defeated alas, as much of the audience was pretty much well to do West London. I thought Andrew Neil would have been taller.....
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No ifs, no buts, Heathrow must have a third runway.
Thanks for the update, Skipness, much appreciated.
Pleasantly surprised it was a only a narrow defeat, would have expected it to be a landslide.
No matter how much sense is spoken and no matter how many facts are given, people have pre-concieved ideas and will not be moved. That's one reason why Tim Yeo's contribution should have been of interest: he's actually changed his mind.
BTW, what did Jon Moulton have to say? Am interested in the "pragmatism" part.
Pleasantly surprised it was a only a narrow defeat, would have expected it to be a landslide.
No matter how much sense is spoken and no matter how many facts are given, people have pre-concieved ideas and will not be moved. That's one reason why Tim Yeo's contribution should have been of interest: he's actually changed his mind.
BTW, what did Jon Moulton have to say? Am interested in the "pragmatism" part.
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Willie Walsh gives up on LHR expansion
Willie Walsh rules out third runway at Heathrow - Telegraph
I think the BMI purchase has given him some time but long term they're still screwed.
He said the truth is that a third runway would mean a fourth, which is the truth.
A fourth Terminal would mean a Fifth, "Good Heavens no way, we'll stop at four, trust me" sayeth the BAA in the 80s.
I think the BMI purchase has given him some time but long term they're still screwed.
BTW, what did Jon Moulton have to say? Am interested in the "pragmatism" part.
A fourth Terminal would mean a Fifth, "Good Heavens no way, we'll stop at four, trust me" sayeth the BAA in the 80s.
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Willie Walsh gives up on LHR expansion
Interesting article, Skipness One Echo, particularly the poll on LHR expansion:
"Yes, it is essential for Britain's economy 61.93% (501 votes)"
"No, Britain can survive without a third runway 38.07% (308 votes)"
It's completely the opposite sentiment to most of those expressed in the comments.
Clearly Britain can survive without a third runway, but will it prosper in the long term?
"Yes, it is essential for Britain's economy 61.93% (501 votes)"
"No, Britain can survive without a third runway 38.07% (308 votes)"
It's completely the opposite sentiment to most of those expressed in the comments.
Clearly Britain can survive without a third runway, but will it prosper in the long term?
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QR will introduce the B787 from 13th December
Press Release | Qatar Airways
DL will fly 3 times a day to ATL from 31st March
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Press Release | Qatar Airways
DL will fly 3 times a day to ATL from 31st March
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5.5º glide slopes into heathrow?
According to the Sunday Times the powers that be are considering mandating a 5.5º glide-slope to cut the noise footprint down.
According to the Sunday Times the powers that be are considering mandating a 5.5º glide-slope to cut the noise footprint down.