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Old 14th Jul 2016, 20:39
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The absence of Justine Greening is interesting though.
She caused too much trouble in the past as transport secretary (2011-2012) and was moved sideways.

Maidenhead isn't THAT close to LHR in comparison to Putney.
Maidenhead is not that much further away from Heathrow than Putney. The difference is that Putney is on the flightpath for arrivals on 27L/27R. Maidenhead is not on the flightpath for arrivals on 09L/09R, it's too far north and would also not be in the event of a 3rd rwy. For departures on 27L/27R, Maidenhead is sometimes overflown when aircraft turn north.

May knows she needs strategic decision making in the national interest rather than what works as a local MP. She's also got Boris by the Johnson IMHO.
Indeed she does, and she won't get any stick from her constituents for doing so.

Gatwick makes no commercial sense realistically and do nothing is not a realistic option. However predictions are a losers game in this weather.
Eaxactly and exactly.

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Very good!!


What about Justine Greening for Transport ? Hasn't that remit still to be announeed ?
She caused too much trouble in the past as transport secretary (2011-2012) and was moved sideways.


The idea that anyone living within a short distance of LHR is against expansion is just wrong. Many of the people that rely on Heathrow for income live in Maidenhead and the surrounding areas.
A recent survey in areas surrounding Heathrow (listed by constituencies) showed a majority of varying sizes in all except Twickenham.

Richmond Park wasn't included, maybe too far from the airport, but the opinion there is well known thanks to Zac Goldsmith.


Can the third runway argument be delayed again ?
Probably.


From 2009:

"newly appointed shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling [is] said to have privately voiced concerns over the party's opposition to expansion over Heathrow"

Tories at odds over plans for third runway at Heathrow | UK Politics | News | The Independent
Wasn't this when New Labour eventually gave permission for a 3rd rwy after years of dithering, indecision and procrastination?
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Old 14th Jul 2016, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank View Post
For departures on 27L/27R, Maidenhead is sometimes overflown when aircraft turn north.
But very rarely. Northbound WOBUN departures (Scottish routes and some transatlantics) turn right before reaching the NDB at Burnham. Compton departures (Ireland and other transatlantics) pass well to the south of the town.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 04:30
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Well, it depends on which bit of Maidenhead. I used to live in eastern Maidenhead, and WOBs went right over my house, BPKs just to the east.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 08:58
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Well, it depends on which bit of Maidenhead. I used to live in eastern Maidenhead, and WOBs went right over my house, BPKs just to the east.
OK, but they would have been off the NPR by that point, so presumably above 4000'.

The western edge of the WOBUN NPR swathe runs through Taplow and up towards Bourne End, so nowadays anything outbound over Maidenhead under 4000' would be one of the 2% or so departures on that SID that are classed as off-track.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 15:39
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Maidenhead - is a large area to the border of Windsor, so it is under 09L for arrivals, and if you draw a straight line from say 09N westwards, it will be under the easterly ops arrivals and departures, assuming NATS & CAA can work out a plan to indicate flight paths, other than LHR plan which I have to rely on.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Trinity 09L View Post
assuming NATS & CAA can work out a plan to indicate flight paths, other than LHR plan which I have to rely on.
Departures are easy, they follow SIDs/NPRs below 4000 feet (mostly), but you will search in vain for a map showing precise arrival routes, the reason being that they don't exist. The flightpath between the arrival point (Bovingdon, Lambourne, Biggin or Ockham), with or without holding there, and the final approach to the runway is determined by the controller handling each flight, the object being to integrate arrivals from various directions efficiently and thereby maximize the landing rate.

All that can reasonably be predicted is that the flightpath will follow an S- or U-shaped curve, depending on which arrival point and which runway direction is in use.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 20:17
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What I was trying to explain is that Maidenhead will receive more aircraft from a new northern runway (northern as in the south east), on arrivals, and on departures SID to Dover will probably go from 27L and others to disperse either west or north, 09N is closer to Berkshire = Maidenhead. If ever departures go eastwards then a whole new bunch of residents will get new noise in NW London = less votes
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talking to Tory folk in Maidenhead yesterday - they were all against R3 and they believe their MP is as well.............................
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Old 18th Jul 2016, 08:35
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....and then they went on to discuss their forthcoming holiday in Tuscany and looking forward to the winter ski break and the family Christmas in Barbados!

When it comes to airport expansion 90% of people are hypocrites.
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Old 18th Jul 2016, 14:54
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as they are on HS2, shale gas, new houses, wind farms, new roads, taxes and pensions...................
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Old 19th Jul 2016, 17:55
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Surely by the time any new runway is up and running, and overflying anywhere, any current politicians will be long gone from the scene.


As for the inhabitants of Maidenhead voting in Corbyn's party instead, that is just NOT going to happen ...
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Old 20th Jul 2016, 13:38
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according to todays "Times" any decision has been put back until "October at the earliest..."
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Old 20th Jul 2016, 20:41
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according to todays "Times" any decision has been put back until "October at the earliest..."
Which decade ?
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Old 20th Jul 2016, 20:58
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Surely by the time any new runway is up and running, and overflying anywhere, any current politicians will be long gone from the scene.


As for the inhabitants of Maidenhead voting in Corbyn's party instead, that is just NOT going to happen ...

according to todays "Times" any decision has been put back until "October at the earliest..."

Which decade ?
Well they can't reconvene the Airports Commission crew again for some spurious investigation concerning Heathrow, its members are now a Royal Commission considering the implications of triggering article 50 and have been not to report until after the next general election.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 10:03
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Liam Fox warns Britain must not 'put off big decision' on whether to build 3rd runway

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The Telegraph | 2016-07-22

Britain should push ahead with airport expansion in the South East to show the world that it is "open for business", a Cabinet minister who has campaigned for a third runway at Heathrow has said.

Liam Fox, the new Trade Secretary, told The Telegraph that that after the European Union referendum Britain is facing a "very competitive economic climate" and cannot afford to "put off big decisions on infrastructure".

The decision over airport expansion is likely to be one of the most controversial of Mrs May's early premiership and has the potential to open significant splits in her new Cabinet.

The decision on whether to build a new runway at Heathrow or Gatwick, which is expected in September, comes after more than 15 years of delays by both Labour and Conservative governments.

Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, and Justine Greening the Education Secretary, have both warned that they will fight any decision to build a third runway. Mrs May herself also opposed expanding Heathrow while the Conservatives were in opposition and Philip Hammond, the Chancellor, has also criticised the plans in the past.

By contrast Dr Fox last year organised a letter from more than 30 Tory MPs urging David Cameron to "push ahead" with plans for a third runway at Heathrow.

He said "We can build infrastructure capacity which is itself a springboard to improved international trade performance, like airport expansion. We are in a very competitive economic climate and we can't put off big decisions for infrastructure."

Chris Grayling, the Transport Secretary, has said he wants to "move rapidly" with a decision on Heathrow in order to provide "certainty" to businesses. A decision is expected when MPs return from recess in September.
What a mess!
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 12:30
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I must write to Dr Fox and invite him to buy my ten pound note for just one hundred pounds. Surely he must realise the amazing advantages spending that tenner will bring to the economy. And the positive signal it would send out to the world. I'll go fetch my pen ...
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 13:18
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Liam Fox has zero credibility!
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 14:06
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Yawn!
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Would've bet you two would be first to post and it'd be a broken record...
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 15:00
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Yep truly "great" Britain is Mr Fox - Destroyed the UK military capability single handedly.

The Tory back bench maverick with his mate Gove about as trust worthy as snakes in long grass.
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