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Er, no, Skipness. Ryanair and Jet2 have already picked up much of the slack at EDI left by GSM's demise. It wasn't the routes that were the problem, or even GSM's load factors. As always, it's about how deep the airline's pockets were. Are you seriously suggesting there is no potential in EDI-BCN for the right carrier?
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theres no denying EZY are successful at what they do - i am just saying it may of been another market they could of expanded into which was there for the taking. they have started more holiday type routes from other UK bases so why not in Scotland when there are obviously voids to fill. seems bizarre that it takes a spanish carrier to reinstate EDIBCN when traditionally they have only served LON airports but fairplay to JKK - will be great to see them have a great success on this route. its 2 major cities and with a big student population in both major scotttish cities and the obvious tourism factors
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No I am suggesting that Ryanair are cut-throat cheap and Jet2 are niche, so perhaps there is another reason why easyJet are giving Scotland no focus.
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Might I humbly suggest you get "an insider" who actually works on one of the FIVE watches at Edinburgh ATC.
As for ATC, my very own EDI ATC insider, who'll have to remain anonymous, told me that of the three EDI watches, only one was any good!
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Barbiesboyfriend,
Hello! What you say is perhaps in someway, correct. I must confess, over the last 20+ years being domicilled in EDI, it can be frustrating, regarding the STAR from the south Tweed one alpha, is it? or something like that. Yes, I agree with you there are some on watch, who play the practical role
and those who prefer on to do the biz, both of which I would not wish to complain about, they are doing their job.
I have to say that over my years of flying, it does appear to me, that dear old EDI, is one of the more pedestrian units in the world, but perhaps we do not have the the big picture, and after almost 40 years of flying , perhaps I am chilling out.
From north of EDI - BFN
Hello! What you say is perhaps in someway, correct. I must confess, over the last 20+ years being domicilled in EDI, it can be frustrating, regarding the STAR from the south Tweed one alpha, is it? or something like that. Yes, I agree with you there are some on watch, who play the practical role
and those who prefer on to do the biz, both of which I would not wish to complain about, they are doing their job.I have to say that over my years of flying, it does appear to me, that dear old EDI, is one of the more pedestrian units in the world, but perhaps we do not have the the big picture, and after almost 40 years of flying , perhaps I am chilling out.
From north of EDI - BFN
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Good news about Spanair to BCN, times are not great though.
- Sundays, Tuesdays, Thursdays (Spanair is daily except Tue + Thur)
- Arrive EDI 13:15
- Depart EDI 13:50
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March Pax
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Down 3.3%!
Last year the EDI March figures beat BHX and Luton and it looks as if
they still will this year or at least BHX, as it is expected to be down on the 2009 figure of 674273.
Obviously flyglobespan were still around in 2009 but I would not have thought
they would account for much compared to the two extra Ryanair.
Was there a lot of weather cancellations and I suppose the BA strike had some impact towards the end of the month?
Heathrow - 5,211,900 up 0.4%
Stansted - 1,470,300 down 4.2%
Edinburgh - 671,500 down 3.3%
Glasgow - 473,900 down 9.6%
Aberdeen - 230,400 down 4.4%
Southampton - 142,5800 up 5.5
Pete
Down 3.3%!
Last year the EDI March figures beat BHX and Luton and it looks as if
they still will this year or at least BHX, as it is expected to be down on the 2009 figure of 674273.
Obviously flyglobespan were still around in 2009 but I would not have thought
they would account for much compared to the two extra Ryanair.
Was there a lot of weather cancellations and I suppose the BA strike had some impact towards the end of the month?
Heathrow - 5,211,900 up 0.4%
Stansted - 1,470,300 down 4.2%
Edinburgh - 671,500 down 3.3%
Glasgow - 473,900 down 9.6%
Aberdeen - 230,400 down 4.4%
Southampton - 142,5800 up 5.5
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Obviously flyglobespan were still around in 2009 but I would not have thought they would account for much compared to the two extra Ryanair.
For Flyglobespan the figures for 2009 was 132.
The net effect was a loss of 43 sectors but the seat loss would be less as GSM operated a mix of 73G and 738 in Edinburgh.
I suspect March would be broadly similar
Was there a lot of weather cancellations and I suppose the BA strike had some impact towards the end of the month?
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March Pax
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Cheers for the information, which basically means although FR had four
based one was sitting around most of time. This was similar in BHX, EMA
and possibly Bristol (less so). Although a lot will depend on how many
non-based flights there were in 2009 compared to 2010.
I was just surprised after a good February to see it dip.
Are Ryanair adding a 5th aircraft and if so when?
Pete
Cheers for the information, which basically means although FR had four
based one was sitting around most of time. This was similar in BHX, EMA
and possibly Bristol (less so). Although a lot will depend on how many
non-based flights there were in 2009 compared to 2010.
I was just surprised after a good February to see it dip.
Are Ryanair adding a 5th aircraft and if so when?
Pete
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RYR had all 4 working non-stop last summer. This summer there are less inbound flights from other bases, CAG for example. Frequencies have also been lost to SNN, DUB, BRE. The 5 aircraft are pretty well utilised just now, although some gaps are in the schedule, with new routes yet to start and the 6th aircraft is to come with will add routes and frequencies.
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Ryanair aircraft have been parked up all over the shop this winter and spring, no doubt flat out over the Summer and hence the move to apply a bagagge surcharge in July & August. I have heard that they may park 70 aircraft this winter, with most new crews on pay by the hour it makes business sense, whats the point in making a profit over the summer to throw it away in winter?
The move over the last two years to a more bucket and spade operation on many UK routes will have driven this.
What comes next for FR? i doubt they can drive pilot cost down much further but the product does seem to be getting better 60-70 m seats sold prove that!! I think the toilet talk is just that!
It does what is says on the tin, fly cheaper which if you just want to fly from A-B and book well in advance they are cheaper.
The move over the last two years to a more bucket and spade operation on many UK routes will have driven this.
What comes next for FR? i doubt they can drive pilot cost down much further but the product does seem to be getting better 60-70 m seats sold prove that!! I think the toilet talk is just that!
It does what is says on the tin, fly cheaper which if you just want to fly from A-B and book well in advance they are cheaper.
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Why the drop in March pax at Edi?
Hi,
I was also surprised by the drop in the number of passengers at Edi in March.
I did a bit of digging. The number of movements in March at Edi was down by about 6% compared to last March.
There's no single cause. Obviously the loss of Globespan (-200 movements last March) and Delta (-36 movements) played a part, but this was offset by FlyBe (+117 movements), Ryanair (+94 movements) and KLM (+58 movements). Easyjet were the largest airline with a virtually unchanged number of movements, although FlyBe are only just behind now.
Other contributors to the drop were: British Airways (-242), bmi / bmiRegional (-100), Cityflyer (-55), bmiBaby (-65), Jet2 / Channex (-45), Lufthansa (-60) and Aer Lingus (-60).
I was also surprised by the drop in the number of passengers at Edi in March.
I did a bit of digging. The number of movements in March at Edi was down by about 6% compared to last March.
There's no single cause. Obviously the loss of Globespan (-200 movements last March) and Delta (-36 movements) played a part, but this was offset by FlyBe (+117 movements), Ryanair (+94 movements) and KLM (+58 movements). Easyjet were the largest airline with a virtually unchanged number of movements, although FlyBe are only just behind now.
Other contributors to the drop were: British Airways (-242), bmi / bmiRegional (-100), Cityflyer (-55), bmiBaby (-65), Jet2 / Channex (-45), Lufthansa (-60) and Aer Lingus (-60).
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March Pax
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Thank you for the breakdown.
Not too surprising when you see some of the figures, especially BA.
February was obviously a good month, I believe ATM's were down in
that month as well but on a much smaller scale.
Robert1992 & frfly
Thank you, I had a look at EDI arrivals for last night and departures
this morning and it was not clear, I think I could only see four out
this morning.
However I am sure when 6 are operating it will sort EDI's monthly
pax out for the rest of year.
Pete
Thank you for the breakdown.
Not too surprising when you see some of the figures, especially BA.
February was obviously a good month, I believe ATM's were down in
that month as well but on a much smaller scale.
Robert1992 & frfly
Thank you, I had a look at EDI arrivals for last night and departures
this morning and it was not clear, I think I could only see four out
this morning.
However I am sure when 6 are operating it will sort EDI's monthly
pax out for the rest of year.
Pete
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This morning has 5 departures, with TFS at 1115. From May BVA will come in and operate 1 rotation before TFS on a Tuesday. There will be 6 first wave from May every day except Saturday eg:
Mon
0630 1330 ALC
0630 1105 SXF
0620 0955 BRE
0630 1615 ACE
0715 1255 MRS
0610 1240 CIA
Some nights aircraft arrive from AGP at 2000 and dont go anywhere else, other nights NYO lands at 2025 and the same applies (except when SNN comes in on a friday night at 2050 arriving back into EDI at 2355).
A very busy summer to come for RYR at EDI, routes to FAO, BVA, RAK and LBC still to launch, and DUB will increase with extra rotations on a Monday and Friday and ZAD back for the short summer period.
Mon
0630 1330 ALC
0630 1105 SXF
0620 0955 BRE
0630 1615 ACE
0715 1255 MRS
0610 1240 CIA
Some nights aircraft arrive from AGP at 2000 and dont go anywhere else, other nights NYO lands at 2025 and the same applies (except when SNN comes in on a friday night at 2050 arriving back into EDI at 2355).
A very busy summer to come for RYR at EDI, routes to FAO, BVA, RAK and LBC still to launch, and DUB will increase with extra rotations on a Monday and Friday and ZAD back for the short summer period.