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Interesting little contract they've picked up!
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Nice one. Not a "new" route but Easyjet have released their summer 2011 for PFO already! As in winter, twice weekly flights with good times.
Not sure if this is a direct response to Jet2 @ GLA next summer, but no summer schedules have yet been announced for PFO from any of the English bases as yet. EZY prices beat LS hands down, inc luggage, etc!!
Not sure if this is a direct response to Jet2 @ GLA next summer, but no summer schedules have yet been announced for PFO from any of the English bases as yet. EZY prices beat LS hands down, inc luggage, etc!!
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The EZY prices to Paphos will not stay at £30-£40 single for very long. No significance in the timing as MAN-PFO is also on sale and EasyJet has not released the Summer 2011 flights from southern airports yet.
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Can anyone tell me the PCNs for taxiways Lima and Mike at Edinburgh? These are the taxiways that link the SE Apron to taxiway Alpha. They are not expressly mentioned in the NATS data ( NATS | AIS - Home ) so the implication is that they are the same PCN as runway 12/30 (31F/C/X/T), but if that were the case then the ACN of a B738 at MTOW (51) would exceed the PCN of these taxiways by a wide margin.
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"Maybe it's to do with the uncharted mineshafts under the airport?"
Unlikely, I think it's down to what BAA had in mind for the airport from the planning stage when construction of the new runway began late 60s/early 70s.
Unlikely, I think it's down to what BAA had in mind for the airport from the planning stage when construction of the new runway began late 60s/early 70s.
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PCN of Taxiways Lima and Alpha
Porrohman asked; Can anyone tell me the PCNs for taxiways Lima and Mike at Edinburgh? These are the taxiways that link the SE Apron to taxiway Alpha. They are not expressly mentioned in the NATS data ( NATS | AIS - Home ) so the implication is that they are the same PCN as runway 12/30 (31F/C/X/T), but if that were the case then the ACN of a B738 at MTOW (51) would exceed the PCN of these taxiways by a wide margin.
Following the loss of Stand 6A about a year ago, the only stands at EDI that can take anything bigger than a Boeing 767-300 are on the SE Apron. If taxiways Lima and Mike are the same strength as runway 12/30 then this would prevent regular use of these stands for departing long-haul flights because the ACN of such flights is likely to exceed the PCN of runway 12/30 (31F/C/X/T) by a wide margin. This might be acceptable on a very occasional basis but regular overloading of the pavement could cause damage or premature degradation.
I am aware that, for example, JL 747-400s, AF 777-300ERs, BA777-200ER and EI A330s have all used the SE Apron but they all departed light. The last three had a full load of pax but only enough fuel for a short hop to Paris, London and Dublin respectively. The JL 747s left with no pax and just a couple of hours of fuel aboard. There may be others, but the Qatar A330 diversion is the only one I can think of that departed quite heavy. Many airports allow ACN>PCN situations on an occasional basis and these could be examples.
So, are taxiways Lima and Mike an Achilles heel for EDI in relation to future long-haul operations or are they the same strength as the SE Apron / Taxiway Alpha?
Also on the subject of PCNs, I notice that the aprons and runways at EDI are considerably weaker than at other airports such as GLA, PIK, BFS, BHX and NCL. The passenger aprons at EDI are 72R/C/W/T and runway 06/24 is 74R/C/W/T. These are more of an impediment to some long-haul aircraft than the runway length. The most extreme example is the Boeing 777-300ER, which suffers significant fuel/payload reductions because of the relatively low PCNs at EDI. (NB. the figures in brackets below indicate the maximums if there were no PCN or runway length limitations).
Boeing 777-300ER
Max ramp weight at EDI; 595,000lbs (775,000lbs)
Fuel/payload reduction from EDI; 180,000lbs i.e. 49%.
Range from EDI with max payload; 1,350nm (5,700nm).
Range from EDI with 364 pax and no cargo; 2,650nm (6,850nm).
Range from EDI with 364 pax and 30,000lbs of cargo; 1,800nm (5,850nm).
ACN empty; 34. ACN at MTOW; 109 (on rigid pavement with low strength subgrade)
Payload/range from EDI is currently PCN limited; a B773ER only requires 5,920ft runway at this weight (runway is 8,400ft long).
Source data; Boeing: Commercial Airplanes - Commercial Aviation Services - Flight Operations - Airport Technology - Airplane Characteristics for Airport Planning and NATS | AIS - Home .
With these limitations, I can't see any airline operating 777-300ERs from EDI until the PCNs are upgraded.
Looking to the future, the preliminary specs Boeing has issued for the 787-8 indicate that it will suffer a 20% fuel/payload reduction operating from EDI because of PCNs.
So, even if taxiways Lima and Mike are not a constraint, the relatively low PCNs elsewhere are a limiting factor for many types of aircraft when it comes to long-haul ops from EDI. If Lima and Mike are as weak as 12/30 then I can’t see any regular long-haul ops happening from the SE Apron until the PCNs of Lima and Mike are suitably upgraded and/or until the Main Apron and SE Apron are linked together between stands 14 and 16.
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I can’t see any regular long-haul ops happening from the SE Apron until the PCNs of Lima and Mike are suitably upgraded and/or until the Main Apron and SE Apron are linked together between stands 14 and 16.
Perhaps BAA themselves might supply the answers? It would be interesting to
discover if they are serious about recent mentions on more EDI long-haul or if these were dependent on aircraft type?
Perhaps BAA themselves might supply the answers? It would be interesting to
discover if they are serious about recent mentions on more EDI long-haul or if these were dependent on aircraft type?
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This is interesting.. from today's Scotsman
Edinburgh set to bypass London to cut hassle of long-haul flights - Scotsman.com News
Edinburgh set to bypass London to cut hassle of long-haul flights - Scotsman.com News
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What have you got against EDI developing more long haul routes, GustyOrange? Continental recognise the distinct markets at EDI and GLA, so why not other carriers such as Emirates? It's all about extending choice and market penetration.
On the other hand, if it's a new carrier to Scotland, such as QR, then GLA isn't a factor, and you could equally argue that EDI is just along the road too.
By your logic perhaps "just along the road" explains why AF and LH, amongst others, have so far given GLA the swerve?
On the other hand, if it's a new carrier to Scotland, such as QR, then GLA isn't a factor, and you could equally argue that EDI is just along the road too.
By your logic perhaps "just along the road" explains why AF and LH, amongst others, have so far given GLA the swerve?
Why is it there are only ever arguments about EDI ?