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The sooner Easyjet get one of the A320's here at EDI the better for good yielding routes like SSH, FNC, PFO, etc.
However, an A320 isn't needed for PFO. I would guess that it would be used however.
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Why is Edinburgh so ****?
Arriving at work this morning, like every other morning, I have to do a giant swerve and risk kerbing my cars wheels just to do the 1 yard reach to swipe my card.
Then, half the fuggin car park is blanked off- Why? No one knows,
I walk about 1/4 mile to security, another PITA, and then another 1/4 mile (which I'll soon retrace) to the crewroom.
Opposite stand 20, I swipe my card 3 times at the lifts' card reader.
'Call locked' appears.
I swipe it again.
No joy.
Eventually we walk down airside.
Today, we got a slot northbound. EDI was overwhelmed as usual.
Arrived. Got a Visual.
Clear to land hold at A12. While we wait for an Easy that is plainly not ready to taxi.
Guys. I know work is unfashionable and oh so common, but........
never mind.
You'll have had your tea!
Then, half the fuggin car park is blanked off- Why? No one knows,
I walk about 1/4 mile to security, another PITA, and then another 1/4 mile (which I'll soon retrace) to the crewroom.
Opposite stand 20, I swipe my card 3 times at the lifts' card reader.
'Call locked' appears.
I swipe it again.
No joy.
Eventually we walk down airside.
Today, we got a slot northbound. EDI was overwhelmed as usual.
Arrived. Got a Visual.
Clear to land hold at A12. While we wait for an Easy that is plainly not ready to taxi.
Guys. I know work is unfashionable and oh so common, but........
never mind.
You'll have had your tea!
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Tell me Barbie, just how was Edinburgh overwhelmed? Please expand, because I am interested in that particular nugget in amongst all the other stuff you are ranting about.
And the matter about the visual approach. I mean either you got one or you did not. If you did not, then there must have been a (traffic) reason for that decision being made. If you did get a visual, then you must have got what you were wanting.
Please expand, I'm intrigued.
WJMcP
And the matter about the visual approach. I mean either you got one or you did not. If you did not, then there must have been a (traffic) reason for that decision being made. If you did get a visual, then you must have got what you were wanting.
Please expand, I'm intrigued.
WJMcP
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Don't ask me amigo!
Got a slot northbound and when I asked was told it was a flow restriction at EDI.
Got there, we were no 3 with the other two miles ahead. Not complaining about getting a visual, it just illustrates how un-busy it was.
The other night we got royally fu$%ed about as well as ATC mounted some sort of strange campaign to put us behind someone we were in front of.
Anyway, it's not an anti EDI ATC rant, just a rant in general!
I even had my car uplifted from the staff car park by some EDI jobsworth!
The whole place is one annoying PITA from the minute one arrives!
IMHO of course.
Don't ask me amigo!
Got a slot northbound and when I asked was told it was a flow restriction at EDI.
Got there, we were no 3 with the other two miles ahead. Not complaining about getting a visual, it just illustrates how un-busy it was.
The other night we got royally fu$%ed about as well as ATC mounted some sort of strange campaign to put us behind someone we were in front of.
Anyway, it's not an anti EDI ATC rant, just a rant in general!
I even had my car uplifted from the staff car park by some EDI jobsworth!
The whole place is one annoying PITA from the minute one arrives!
IMHO of course.
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Thanks BB, but if you read your NOTAMs, you will have know that Edi ATC were short-staffed yesterday afternoon due to staff sickness - 4 control positions and not enough staff to man them, hence the flow. The flow was put in place for all the right reasons, but what that does do is make the traffic come in fits and starts. You could arrive in a big lull in traffic (as indeed you might have) or it comes in one big rush so to speak. The inbound flow was eased at around 1730/1800 last night and completely lifted around 2000. That meant the night shift were not 'humped' by a bulge of traffic at the end of the flow restriction and the delays were hopefully kept to an absolute minimum.
We deal with the traffic as it is presented by Scottish. By and large they do a good job in sorting out the arrival flow. However, sometimes the order is not to crews liking as they (the crews) may not be aware of the full tactical situation around them - hence you may have been made No2 to someone you thought was behind you. Trust me when I say we do not go out of our way to cock you around. Indeed, we try to our best to keep the customers happy - yes, I do really mean that! But you can please some of the people some of the time.... etc etc. The situation you describe may just have been a better way of sorting out the arrivals - not to your liking I know, but the best way to get it done.
Hope that helps clear up the ATC issues. As for the airport itself? I could not possibly comment.
WJMcP
We deal with the traffic as it is presented by Scottish. By and large they do a good job in sorting out the arrival flow. However, sometimes the order is not to crews liking as they (the crews) may not be aware of the full tactical situation around them - hence you may have been made No2 to someone you thought was behind you. Trust me when I say we do not go out of our way to cock you around. Indeed, we try to our best to keep the customers happy - yes, I do really mean that! But you can please some of the people some of the time.... etc etc. The situation you describe may just have been a better way of sorting out the arrivals - not to your liking I know, but the best way to get it done.
Hope that helps clear up the ATC issues. As for the airport itself? I could not possibly comment.
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Wee Jock
A good post for sure.
(I must confess that I knew about the staff shortage)
A question: Why do you never consider the weather?
I once phoned EDI tower to complain. There was 60. (sixty!) knots on the approach to 24. A/c were coming in at about 60 kts groundspeed.
Yet EDI still insisted on their six mile gaps. The ATC guy, Sandy? said. "We take no notice of the wind here"
take the language somewhere else please. Hogg
You need to get out more!
I'll fly anyone who applies into LCY. Your eyes will be opened!
Just to add, again, not an ATC rant, just can't stand Edinburgh!
Oh, you'll have had yer tea?
An airport that smells, strongly, of ****.
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A good post for sure.
(I must confess that I knew about the staff shortage)
A question: Why do you never consider the weather?
I once phoned EDI tower to complain. There was 60. (sixty!) knots on the approach to 24. A/c were coming in at about 60 kts groundspeed.
Yet EDI still insisted on their six mile gaps. The ATC guy, Sandy? said. "We take no notice of the wind here"
take the language somewhere else please. Hogg
You need to get out more!
I'll fly anyone who applies into LCY. Your eyes will be opened!
Just to add, again, not an ATC rant, just can't stand Edinburgh!
Oh, you'll have had yer tea?
An airport that smells, strongly, of ****.
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Sounds all too familiair BB. Staffcarpark, security, lifts to crewroom that never work.
EDI is so far the only airport that managed to make a queue out of only two aircraft on approach. When things became really ridiculous we questioned ATC and got told he got handed the problem and all he could do was solve it. 75 nm out, only two aircraft inbound at 2130z, we as nbr 1 and the other guy 10 miles behind going 10kts faster. End of story was that we got 250 kts, he 300 and straight to 10nm final. We had to slow down furter to 210 to let him past 15nm out and fly a righthand downwind pattern! Absurd.
Other than that, no problemo.
Rant out...
EDI is so far the only airport that managed to make a queue out of only two aircraft on approach. When things became really ridiculous we questioned ATC and got told he got handed the problem and all he could do was solve it. 75 nm out, only two aircraft inbound at 2130z, we as nbr 1 and the other guy 10 miles behind going 10kts faster. End of story was that we got 250 kts, he 300 and straight to 10nm final. We had to slow down furter to 210 to let him past 15nm out and fly a righthand downwind pattern! Absurd.
Other than that, no problemo.
Rant out...
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The problem with EDI is that it has gone from a sleepy backwater 15 years ago to a busy regional airport, tacking bits onto the terminal as it goes, hence the lengthy walks from the main terminal to crewrooms at the end of the SE peir and back again. At least BACF/BA/easy tend to get terminal stands. The recent arrival of Ryanair has forced most of the smaller aircraft to remote stands which is a complete PITA.
Generally I've got no complaints about EDI ATC. We are far more likely these days to get lined up in smaller gaps if ready immediate and today I got vectored nicely onto a 7 mile final, which is about as close as you can get with the noise restrictions here. BB - I'd recommend a tower visit as it opened my eyes to the problems these guys deal with - maybe you just confused them by having an RJ asking for a visual approach
Generally I've got no complaints about EDI ATC. We are far more likely these days to get lined up in smaller gaps if ready immediate and today I got vectored nicely onto a 7 mile final, which is about as close as you can get with the noise restrictions here. BB - I'd recommend a tower visit as it opened my eyes to the problems these guys deal with - maybe you just confused them by having an RJ asking for a visual approach
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Barbie,
I'm sorry you feel so strongly and more sorry that your reply to my honest/straight answer with such a childlike response. Perhaps, with you being a pilot, I expected a more considered and mature response. If you were just casting the bait out for a response, then well done, you've partially succeeded.
Grow up fella and, when you are prepared to make the effort to visit ATC, then perhaps you might get to see the other (alternative) sides of the one-dimensional picture you currently have.
I'm not saying we're perfect, far from it, but we are not the f.... slackers you say we are and saying so in public actually says more about you. I'm sure everything is perfect in your cockpit every minute of every hour of every day.
What does the first 'P' in PPrune stand for?
WJMcP
I'm sorry you feel so strongly and more sorry that your reply to my honest/straight answer with such a childlike response. Perhaps, with you being a pilot, I expected a more considered and mature response. If you were just casting the bait out for a response, then well done, you've partially succeeded.
Grow up fella and, when you are prepared to make the effort to visit ATC, then perhaps you might get to see the other (alternative) sides of the one-dimensional picture you currently have.
I'm not saying we're perfect, far from it, but we are not the f.... slackers you say we are and saying so in public actually says more about you. I'm sure everything is perfect in your cockpit every minute of every hour of every day.
What does the first 'P' in PPrune stand for?
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I agree with BB, EDI as a functional airport is a disgrace! Yet Glasgow just down the road is in a different league, yet they are both ran by BAA. Everything at EDI seems like hassle. The lift problem is extremely infuriating!
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Spanair timetable showing EDI - Barcelona 5 weekly this summer
Appears to start 16/5/2010 at three a week but virtually straight
up to five weekly daily ex Tu & Th dep EDI 21.20.
Seems that BHX, MAN & EDI in the drop down box.
I can,t find the MAN flights but BHX was rumoured about a week ago.
Pete
Appears to start 16/5/2010 at three a week but virtually straight
up to five weekly daily ex Tu & Th dep EDI 21.20.
Seems that BHX, MAN & EDI in the drop down box.
I can,t find the MAN flights but BHX was rumoured about a week ago.
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BCN was/is arguably the biggest gap in Edinburgh's route network since the collapse of GSM. Surprised it's Spanair filling it. The route should be ideal for Easyjet, or even Jet 2. But if Spanair are the ones to fill then good on them for giving it a go and being proactive
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Plop.
No need to get your knickers in the proverbial twist!
If I wanted to have a go at EDI ATC in particular, I'd have posted on the (oh so touchy) ATC forum.
It's the whole place-and its attitude- that gets my goat.
No matter what the problem is- it's somebody elses. The whole place needs a giant kick in the arse!
As for ATC, my very own EDI ATC insider, who'll have to remain anonymous, told me that of the three EDI watches, only one was any good!
No need to get your knickers in the proverbial twist!
If I wanted to have a go at EDI ATC in particular, I'd have posted on the (oh so touchy) ATC forum.
It's the whole place-and its attitude- that gets my goat.
No matter what the problem is- it's somebody elses. The whole place needs a giant kick in the arse!
As for ATC, my very own EDI ATC insider, who'll have to remain anonymous, told me that of the three EDI watches, only one was any good!
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EDI takes 6th place in the busiest UK airport table.
Edinburgh airport overtakes Birmingham to become UK's sixth busiest - Scotsman.com News
Edinburgh airport overtakes Birmingham to become UK's sixth busiest - Scotsman.com News
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i agree - surprised EZY are so slow on the uptake. GSM going bust was an ideal time for scottish expansion but they would rather constantly do domestics and short european city sectors. their loss!
